[smoke229]

haha i see your point but if i wanted to spin a great story, the plot would of been alot better if i would omitted alot of the bad information. im sure with enough time i could of come up with a best seller about how i shat golden bricks AND they smelled of roses. but i tried to tell the truth LOL...

what is that saying ,, the path to hell is paved with good intentions?

 

[astra]

My responses are in purple

ASTRA, now your making even less sense, im in no way trying to make this out about pitbulls? lets forget i said pitbulls and we will substitute racoons instead.

I'm not making any sense to you? Thanks for putting things into perspective for me

How about we keep this discussion about DOBERMAN'S. Your rant is suppossed to be about a Doberman rescue and the fact that they denied your application to adopt a Doberman correct?

Knowing that one racoon was running the street starving and the other racoon was on its way to the kill shelter should i of:
A) let both racoons make it on their own, one dying of starvation and the other being put to sleep at the kill shelter.
B) tried to do my part and take said racoons into my home, feed, shelter, and care for them until i could find suitable houses.

since i choose B , i now should be "red flagged" to adopt a dog from a rescue?

Between this analogy and your other one about new and used cars, you've totally lost me and I don't see how either fit into the reason of why the rescue denied your application.

im gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you are one of those "your way is the only right way" type of personalities?

Um, no, not really. But when it comes to rescue I do think that there is a right way a wrong way to do things and I think the rescue that you applied to did nothing wrong when they denied you as an adopter, based on the information that YOU provided them with.

Gee your "love,peace, and harmony" sig soo totally dont fit our discussion!!!!!!

I'm not going to sugarcoat things for you, especially when you come on here to rant about a rescue that did nothing wrong. I changed my avatar to save you any further upset

 

[Abby]

Many people who are dedicated rescuers treat applying to a rescue with the importance of adding a very special new family member. Something exciting that they work up to, and its a huge step to actually go in and submit the all important application.

What I'm getting at, is that people who really care don't "maybe make a few mistakes."

I'm sure receiving an email with a few mistakes would feel like receiving a letter written in pink crayon. I won't address anything you actually wrote in the email, which wasn't near professional, just the fact that you felt so casual about applying that you'd do so with mistakes. So, no, I wouldn't be expecting any rescues to be all that impressed.

 

[PatchworkRobot]

haha i see your point but if i wanted to spin a great story, the plot would of been alot better if i would omitted alot of the bad information. im sure with enough time i could of come up with a best seller about how i shat golden bricks AND they smelled of roses. but i tried to tell the truth LOL...

what is that saying ,, the path to hell is paved with good intentions?

Its true, you could have. But you also could have tried harder to convey the real story.

When I first contacted my boy's breeder my initial email was three times the length of your first post (not your first email, your first post). This doesn't even include the puppy application which was also answered quite elaborately. I wanted a puppy and I wanted a puppy from this breeder so I made sure that she knew everything about me. She knew why I wanted a puppy of this breed, she knew about my qualifications, she knew what I was lacking, she knew my current schedule and where I saw myself in the future... I left nothing out.

People can be swayed. While I understand the rescue having an area that they adopt to for the right person I'm sure they may adopt a dog to someone out of the area. But think of what they're looking for, perfect homes, and you didn't come off as a perfect home. A single 5-line paragraph does not say to me "I would like to give a dog a great home and this is why!"

I understand why you're upset here and yes, I do believe that some rescues may be a little to skeptical of potential adopters and sometimes their rules may seem too strict. However, if I worked into a rescue I would bend the rules to somebody who I felt was really worthy and they probably did not did not get that feeling from your email. That's life.

Its great that you're considering rescue, there are so many dogs that need homes. Try again. Check out petfinder.com

 

[melbrod]

There are certain sort of standard characteristics of rescue and adoption--

The rescue group checks out any person who wants to adopt a dog very carefully.
The rescue checks the dog who is to be adopted for behavior and health problems, so the adopter can be screened for the ability to deal with any problems the dog has and warned what to expect.
The rescue typically does not charge a large fee for a person to adopt a dog; they are not selling a dog with the expectation of making money.
The rescue group typically speuters all dogs before adopting them out.


The adopter does not pay more than a certain, relatively minimal amount of money.



Many individuals who are arranging a new home for a dog, even with the best of intentions, simply do not have the knowledge or the money to make sure that the adopter is screened, that the dog is checked out, that the dog is neutered.


And then there are folks who misuse the terms "rescue" and "adopt".

1. They say they are "rescuing" a dog when they pay a breeder a big chunk of money to get the dog out of a bad situation--all that ensures is that the breeder can breed even more puppies in terrible condition.

2. They say they are arranging an "adoption" even though they are asking the new owner to pay them over and above the amount the dog has cost them.

3. They say they are "rescuing" a dog when they fail to check out an appropriate home and just give or even sell the dog to the first person who answers the newspaper ad.

4. They say they arranged for a dog to be "adopted" when it was really their own dog that they didn't want to be around any more.

5. Not to mention the odd animal hoarder who "adopts" many more animals than they could possibly care for.



So a rescue will not necessarily trust an individual who claims to rescue and adopt out animals--that individual may not meet their standards, and may not even be using the words "rescue" and "adopt" with the precise meaning that a rescue organization uses.

When a person says he "rescued" some dogs, how are they to know how accurately that person is using terms which to them mean certain specific things? The person could be in one of those categories of folks who dump their own dogs and call the transaction "adoption", folks who sell a dog they "rescued" for a profit or folks who enable bad breeders to keep their breeding operation open, by "rescuing" one of the puppies (with a large sum of money).



Anyway, the rescue organization does not have to place their dogs with just anyone who drops in--it is really up to the adopter to PROVE they can be a good home for a dog.........

 

[smoke229]

Melbrod,,
I completely agree with 95% of what you just posted, non of it is actually what i have done but i guess without a lie detector test i dont really have any other ways to prove that.
Perhaps being thought of being one of the people you described but knowing im not is why i have been so confrontational in this thread. Please everyone put yourself in my shoes....

 

[melbrod]

I know what you mean--I hate it when I am accused of being something terrible when I feel I'm innocent. And I can react hotheadedly to that accuser.


And I invariably make things worse for myself--and also give the accuser a chance to say, "I told you so!" :smile10:


Life is not fair.

 

[thea2003]

I havr only read the first post so apologize if I missed something. Honestly, you seem to come off as a person who thinks that people should just give you a dog and that since you have had "pits" you know everything there is know, you come off as having a very cavalier attitude. I probably wouldn't adopt to you either. Chances are you now will not get even a response from this rescue and rescue truely is a small community and I wouldn't be surprised if they put out an email not to adopt to you. You were extremely rude in your second email. It is your choice whether you go to a puppymill or not, it will never be anyone elses fault other than yours, to where you get your dog. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your attitudw amd wait a while and sit back and listen to why you were denied. Rescues tend to know what they are talking about.

 

[Fitzmar Dobermans]

There were several red flags in what you have said - and while you insist that you would be the best home ever, others who don't know you might think otherwise. Young kids, multiple dogs moving through your home, rehoming a dog in the past.......these are all things that make both rescues and breeders (good ones) go hmmmmm......... I can't blame them for wanting to minimize risk and pass you up. I would probably pass you up too. It does not mean that you would not be a good home - but that you are a higher risk in their experience. Rescues have already been through a lot in their life - so good rescues want to minimize risk in placing them in a new home.

Most Doberman rescues have pretty hard rules about the ages of children in the home for most of the Dobermans they adopt out. These dogs are normally in need of training and are often not a good fit for a family with young kids. They might eventually be great family dogs, but rescues will not take on the liability.

What I suggest is that you take a hard look at your living situation and look at your options. Shelters will often adopt out dogs to families when a rescue won't, but be careful ..... for the childrens sake and the dogs sake.

 

[smoke229]

and this is how the story ends, i purchased a pup today from a breeder. that spot in my home could of went to a dog waiting in a rescue. but really the pup needed a home just as much as any other dog and i didnt even have to give the guy a sample of my grandmothers DNA!
dont worry though, ill remain on this forum to learn all i can from it because there is a wealth of knowledge about the breed here for me to absorb and possibly to disagree with ASTRA anytime i can.

 

[melbrod]

Well..................good luck. I hope your life with new pup is a long and happy one and that he/she is everything you have hoped for.

And yes, do hang around--there is a lot of information here and an awful lot of knowledgeable people in all things doberman post here too.

Almost forgot........post pictures!!!!

 

[Dobejazz]

Good luck with your pup although I'm saddened you most likely supported a BYB'er

 

[the_discowhore]

and this is how the story ends, i purchased a pup today from a breeder. that spot in my home could of went to a dog waiting in a rescue. but really the pup needed a home just as much as any other dog and i didnt even have to give the guy a sample of my grandmothers DNA!
dont worry though, ill remain on this forum to learn all i can from it because there is a wealth of knowledge about the breed here for me to absorb and possibly to disagree with ASTRA anytime i can.

Ugh didn't mean to thank, stupid cellphone...

So you supported a BYB? *slow clap* well done. Don't expect to find any praise or support of your terrible decision here. People like you buying dogs on a whim and supporting sccumbag BYBs are the reason why there's so many unwanted dogs. I don't think you tried hard enough, rescues can't be expected to just drop a dog into the lap of any idiot who sends an email.

 

[PatchworkRobot]

and this is how the story ends, i purchased a pup today from a breeder. that spot in my home could of went to a dog waiting in a rescue. but really the pup needed a home just as much as any other dog and i didnt even have to give the guy a sample of my grandmothers DNA!
dont worry though, ill remain on this forum to learn all i can from it because there is a wealth of knowledge about the breed here for me to absorb and possibly to disagree with ASTRA anytime i can.

A small little part of me still hopes that you went through a reputable breeder until of a BYB that is filling the shelters that you were trying to support.

 

[smoke229]

Dear Disco-Whore,
since i could NOT adopt from a rescue i had 2 choices left. number 1) buy from a breeder. number 2) steal a doberman from another forum member (can anyone guess which member id pick?)

so i went with the legal choice of buying, im betting someone else on this forum has bought a dog before in their lifetime....

i really wasnt kidding when i made the statement that the rescues were dropping the ball because they could of placed a dog in a good home.

and YES to the nicer forum members there will indeed be pictures soon

 

[MeadowCat]

A small little part of me still hopes that you went through a reputable breeder until of a BYB that is filling the shelters that you were trying to support.

We all know there's no ethical breeder that would sell someone a puppy in ONE DAY. This is just very sad.

 

[smoke229]

Meadowcat ,, i dont mean this in a mean way to you, but open your eyes to reality. within about 30 minutes of searching the internet i found atleast 7 different litters of pups for sale within a two hour drive. i talked to several on the phone 2 of them even came down on the pups price without me even asking to and heck ya i could take them home the same day. like i said much earlier the gap between buying a dog and adopting a dog is too big.
I can honestly say i do believe the breeder to be a pretty stand up guy (as far as i could tell without drawing his blood to check his DNA) The parents and even one of the grandparents were on the property for what its worth. I forgot to ask him if he was a card carrying member of the ASTRA's Poo Dont Stink Club, or even the Disco-Whore Holier Than Thou Gang.

I was hoping to end the story with my buying a pup post above but apparantlly the saga must continue....

 

[ZeldaRules]

and this is how the story ends, i purchased a pup today from a breeder. that spot in my home could of went to a dog waiting in a rescue. but really the pup needed a home just as much as any other dog and i didnt even have to give the guy a sample of my grandmothers DNA!
dont worry though, ill remain on this forum to learn all i can from it because there is a wealth of knowledge about the breed here for me to absorb and possibly to disagree with ASTRA anytime i can.

I am sorry that you just. don't. get it. You handled this situation the wrong way, IMO, I hope your bank account and your new pup does not suffer because of it.

 

[PatchworkRobot]

We all know there's no ethical breeder that would sell someone a puppy in ONE DAY. This is just very sad.

It's a very small part.
Think birthday candle flame and then divide that in half.

Anyways, I know... but I can hope!
Don't take that way from me

 

[ZeldaRules]

Meadowcat ,, i dont mean this in a mean way to you, but open your eyes to reality. within about 30 minutes of searching the internet i found atleast 7 different litters of pups for sale within a two hour drive. i talked to several on the phone 2 of them even came down on the pups price without me even asking to and heck ya i could take them home the same day.

....and none of this raises red flags to you?



I was grilled for 2 hours when meeting my pup's breeder. They made sure my homeowner's insurance allowed Dobermans. They would not let me take him home unless I had the payment in full. I signed two contracts...one was a neuter contract.