Sorry but your pup does not know that you want him to go potty outside not at 3 months he is just going by your body language that you are unhappy with him. A 3
month old pup cannot hold it 10 hours you need to hire a pet sitter to come in while you are at work take him out to go potty & take him for a walk during the day.
I spent allot of time explaining how to potty train a pup in your last post I'm one of those 2 finger typist sorry there is no other way to house train a pup. I do know the more accidents he has the longer it takes.
Dogs & puppies some times do not care if they get Negative Or Positive attention as long as they get attention please do not spank your puppy for potting in the house he still does not know where he is suppose to go.What if you came in to a situation you are living with these really big people they speak Latin to you all of the time you have no idea what they are saying.You get Spanked for going to the bathroom you held it for as long as you could but no one there to let you out you just had to go.Please re-read the post on how to Housebreak a Puppy.Good Luck

 

No, I don't mean going outside. Note that I train my pups to go to bathroom, which is always open and has light.

My husky has been going to bathroom, with or without me at the house and during the night because I'm sleeping upstair.

So, this is not about me available or not to open the door./

 

Just like you shouldn't compare kids, you shouldn't compare your puppies. They're different animals, each will be better or worse than the other at various things. Try to take each pup where he is at the time and figure out what might be getting in the way of his individual understanding of what you want.

Most of potty training a puppy is simply putting him in the place where you want him to go, over and over, often enough that you catch him before he makes a mistake, and then praising him when he happens to get it right.

You have a problem because you are leaving him alone for a longer period of time than he can wait, so he is not getting the guidance and praise he needs to make the connections with the action and the place.

On top of that, you describe a guy who seems to be so active that you are having difficulty getting through to him when you are happy with his behavior and when you are displeased. Perhaps he is simply glad to get any attention--positive or negative. That extra energy and bouncing may mean that he needs more exercise, both mental and physical, and also more playtime and attention from you individually.

At this point, you would do best to simply make sure your pup doesn't have any access to any place where you do not want him to go when you are not there. If you are using a bathroom inside the house for his pottying, fix it so that he can be left there when you aren't around--so his "mistakes" end up in the right place anyway. When you are around, watch him like a hawk--even leash him to you if it takes that--so that you can learn to read his body language when he is getting ready to potty, and get him to the place where you want him to go, before he has an accident. Take him regularly to his potty place, too--after every meal, after every playtime, whenever he wakes up from a nap and before you put him down for a nap. Praise, praise, praise--whenever he gets it right.

If he makes a mistake and you are right there--a firm "Uh oh" is enough--no swatting. And blame YOURSELF, for not showing him where to go in time. If you aren't there, don't even bother to say anything to the pup; he won't know what you are talking about. He may look ashamed, but he hasn't made the connection between the mistake and your disapproval--he knows you're unhappy with him, but he hasn't a clue why.

It takes longer to potty train a dog when you can't be there to put him out EVERY time he needs to go. If you need to work longer hours than he can wait, you will just have to resign yourself to this fact, but just keep being consistent and eventually your pup will get the idea.

Good luck!

 

Thanks for the idea. To make it, I never blame him if he pees at wrong place and I was not there to take him to right place, at least for now!!!! I'm not that unreasonable and I know he doesn't understand one bit if I do so. He already doesn't take it even I'm there.
I dont want to lease or lock him inside the bathroom. I feel bad to do so. I did it once with him, and felt really terrible when I heard his whining.
I praise him 5 times - with treats, and as I told you, he simply didn't get it.

Whenever I'm with him at home, I do observe him. But he just plays with my husky, then suddenly stop to pee. You need lightning speed to take him anywhere in the situation!

Not that I'm gving up, I'm just looking for any better and more efficient method to get over this quicker. He drinks water crazily, he plays with it from bathroom to his drink. He pees on the floor, and I start cleaning up. And right after I removed my gloves from cleaning, he pees again!!! in total 5 mins.

 

For even more information, I've beeing working half hours at home, half hours at office and not even going out at night just to make my new puppy feel better with my presence. I also have roommate. And he's not lonely with the husky.
So, whenever I work ta home, I sit on the floor with my laptop, he he would around pulling my cord, mouse...then falls sleep on my right leg, and husky is on left side. I believe I give him enough attention, even more than the husky because husky is not as affectionate as Doberman.

 

Well, since you leave him open access to the yard but are not there to take him outside....he is basically training himself to go wherever he wants to go. The basic rule of house training is you have the pup with you on a leash or crated/confined where you can watch him....and dash him out to the yard for pottying regularly.

A young pup will have to pee about every 1/2 hr. Whenever they change an activity, whenever they wake up, whenever they eat, when they've played for about 15 min or so. Since you are gone all day long, the pup has the choice to do whatever he wants, wherever he wants. He does NOT know you want him to go outside.

Are the dogs in a room that opens to the outside? Are they together all the time? I'd make a point of separating the dogs when you get home and spend one on one time with each dog. Take the Dobe out to potty when you get home, feed him and take him out again. I limit water after 9 pm as I want the dogs to sleep all night without having to go out in the middle of the night.

Is the pup in your bedroom at night so he can whine and tell you he has to go potty? If he is just running free with an open door policy to go wherever he wants, he may NEVER be housetrained. Read online about basic housetraining tips.

 

No no no no no YARD. It's inhouse. And a toilet which is opened 24/7. And he doesn't need me to open/guide anywhere. Please read my whole post before advising me.
I don't want to confine them. Even if I confine them, what's the point of confining them if they will do it in side the crate anyway. It does reduce cleaning the whole house, but that's also not the point. The point is pee at right place by trained, not pee at the right place because they're stuck with it.

 

You are making your life a LOT harder if you aren't willing to use a crate. Most dogs will NOT go inside their crates if they're properly sized, they do NOT want to lie in their own waste. You need to watch him EVERY SECOND of the day, if you cannot watch him you must confine him, because as someone said, giving him roam of the house means he will potty wherever he wants, especially at his age.

You also need to physically take him where you want him to potty, and wait for him to do so, at least once an hour. If you aren't *there* to praise him when he potties, he won't get it. Don't give him a *chance* to make mistakes.

My pup is almost 5 months old and just had an accident in the house YESTERDAY! Most of them will not be reliable until they are 5 or 6 months old. You have be patient.

 

Who has links to the good articles on potty training? I think the Ian Dunbar one? And there's another good one.. why haven't I bookmarked those... :lol:

 

Potty training

First off it concerns me when a puppy is referred to as an idiot. Why? The problem might be your attitude. It takes lots of time and patience to train a puppy. If he feels your frustration you are just making it worse.

"Dragging" him to the bathroom is way too much correction for a small puppy. If he potties simply take him outside and then come back in and clean it up. Not a biggie.

If you are letting him run and play til he just stops and potties you need to take him out more often.

I really feel from your post that you are not getting through to the puppy which would mean you need to back up and take a look at how you communicate your demands to the puppy.

If he is playing around does he respond to your calling him???? Was he socialized as a puppy before you got him??? '''

Are you saying that you have a potty area set up in the bathroom??? I might be confused about what you are actually saying. Lots of questions not answered here.

 

First off it concerns me when a puppy is referred to as an idiot. Why? The problem might be your attitude. It takes lots of time and patience to train a puppy. If he feels your frustration you are just making it worse.

"Dragging" him to the bathroom is way too much correction for a small puppy. If he potties simply take him outside and then come back in and clean it up. Not a biggie.

If you are letting him run and play til he just stops and potties you need to take him out more often.

I really feel from your post that you are not getting through to the puppy which would mean you need to back up and take a look at how you communicate your demands to the puppy.

If he is playing around does he respond to your calling him???? Was he socialized as a puppy before you got him??? '''

Are you saying that you have a potty area set up in the bathroom??? I might be confused about what you are actually saying. Lots of questions not answered here.

Why do you have to mind the language in that way? I love him wholeheartly, and who never calls his/her loved one an "idiot"?
Idiot here means "always cheerful nomatter what the stituation is". And Do you understand why I put idiot in these ()?!
don't play word, please. I need help on training, I take your advice into consideration, so don't play word here.
Again, I'm not beating up my pups, don't abuse them but I do call them "idiots" or "stupid dogs" in certain situation.
Dragging not mean like i'm kicking him to bathroom, I just push him on his back, gently. Do I have to clearly say everything in this way and keep explaining myself? I'm not a monster.
Other than this and being chicken sometimes, he's fine mentally. Yes, he's around me all the time. Love me as much as he may.
I have about 20 dogs or more before him, but it was in a farm so i didn't mind wherever they did their potties as long as it's not in the house. And I trained dogs, everything before.
Yes, bathroom is totally a potty area. Anywhere in that toilet.
I don't know whatever the previous owner did with him, read my other thread please. If not, just take it right here that I don't know because I can't.
I'm frustrated because I have to explained every details again and again; even to some people from my first post that it's an opened toilet not a yard to take out. No out. No yard. This is different stituation.
You need more info, I'm glad you're helping. But don't squeeze me on every single word like "idiot". It's ridiculous.

 

Take him to his potty place regularly and OFTEN, without waiting for him to tell you he needs to go--praise him when he gets it right. The point of taking him often is so you have lots of occasions to give him praise for peeing in the right place to balance the mistakes he makes. You will need to make the effort to be there with him so that you can praise him and tell him he is a good boy exactly when he is pottying.

Don't wait until he tells you he needs to go, or expect him to remember to go there by himself--he just doesn't have that much control or desire to stop playing but simply squats where he is--just like a human toddler. Excitement not only makes him need to pee more; it also distracts him from paying enough attention to his body to realize he needs to go, until it's too late to make it to the potty. Your goal is to get him to the potty BEFORE he reaches the bursting point; again, so you can reinforce to him exactly where he should be going.

When you cannot be there to watch him, he really should be confined. If you will only be gone a couple of hours, confining him in a crate will help him control his bladder function--he won't want to go in his bed, so he will hold it until you are there to take him to the proper place. You will need to take him directly to that place, quickly, the minute you get home, so he can go.

If you will be gone longer than that, you can confine him in a larger area, one that it is OK for him to mess in (for now). But allowing him total freedom of the house only means that there will be messes everywhere, and those smells (it's hard to clean up all trace to the dog's sensitive nose) will tell him that those are OK places to go in the future.

 

This sounds good. I think i rely too much on visual observation. I just need to take him to bathroom more as you say. chances is 2/10 still better than he's already peeing.

 

I am also having a hard time understanding. There is no yard? How does he exercise? Where are you trying to train him to potty?

 

Read posts. Training is my different thing. And I don't have any issues with that.

 

Oh, and idiot in the States is derogatory. Not something playful to call someone.

 

This is important but I forgot to post. He never pees or poos when he's on lease! Not even once.

I took him out on my motorbike. He's sitting there for hours, not peeing.
The moment he stepped into the house, he pees.
Same for walking or training.

 

People are just confused because it sounds like you have a room in the house you let the dog potty in? That's extremely, highly unusual in the US, I don't think we quite understand where you are wanting him to potty.

 

I have 2 bathrooms, 1 downstairs right next to their everyday indorr playground - means the whole kitchen and living room. this is house in Asia, and it's a small house. Please don't concern about their trainings, it's off this topic and I have no issue with my arrangement for their training.

I let them use the one dowstair for potty because cleaning a toilet is 100 times easier than cleaning a house with frigde, computer, table....The toilet is small, about 1,5 square meters. It's different from States, wet and dry area. Here everything could be wet or dry. Mine is wet when I clean. Mind you, that toilet has been dedicated for potty training over a month. I don't use anything in the toilet. Someday I even put a rag dip in his pee and put it in the toilet 3 days in a row, hoping that he would smell that and go in. Result: the toilet stinked as hell, and the whole house to when we got in from outside. And my Dobie is still ever cheerful and peeing anywhere but that toilet.
I also combine with the "pet spray" they say it included pheromon makes dogs and cats want to pee where I sprayed it. I don't know if it works or not, but i did use it combine with my training for my husky. And the potty training worked, until the Dobie came. I'm not blaming him btw.

We can bear with using 1 bathroom for 2 people now. When they grown up, they would know to wait if the toilet not available as I had seen from my grown up dogs.

 

I just wanted to post and say that, keep in mind, the OP is from Vietnam, and in such Southeast Asian countries living arrangements, lifestyle etc. are VASTLY different from the North American way that we are all very familiar with and used to (i know, because i'm originally from Southeast Asia). I'm pretty sure that in Vietnam, having a yard (in the way that we are familiar with here in NA) is a huge luxury available only to a privilege few, and the setup of a bathroom/toilet over there is again, not the same as how it is in NA, so it is not inconceivable that the bathroom/toilet would be designated as a puppy/dog's potty area.

And of course, we should keep in mind language differences too and the different meanings and nuances of words, phrases and terms used, something the DT community is generally pretty good at in trying to understand an issue/question posed by a poster and doing its best to address the matter even with language challenges

I wish i could be of more help in terms of providing advice with regards to the potty training, but i remember having a conversation with my mother (who's still living in Southeast Asia) on the way i "raise" Dante and Atia and our 6 cats over here, how she likes how "we" do it, but question if it was something that would be very feasible or practical where they live.

 

Most of us understand this. Location says Vietnam. We are just trying to get clarification by asking questions. Op is getting pissy IMO by the extra questions so this is just going around in a circle.

 

would it be possible to see a picture of the "potty area"... I'm just interested.

You posted aswell about your pup being a big wimp. This is a BABY BABY dog and you are expecting too much from him. He will only know what you teach him. Remember patience.

 

That's ok. Will take pic tomorrow.
And I'm trying to be patience with my dogs. I don't scold them for nothing or taking my frustration on this potty training on them.

Regard my other posts, My main questions were how to get him it, and if that means he had any mental problems because I have not owned any Doberman before, and none of my dogs were like him

 

i think its important for us to UNDERSTAND what you're trying to get him to do for us to be able to help. I realize its a cultural difference, which is why i'm interested in learning what it looks like etc.

I'm assming its similar to in Korea where the bathrooms are quite different from north america, though I still do wonder why the dogs are not just trained to go outside?

 

Houses here face directly to street, as you may see busy stores on busy street on New York. I'm not saying my town is NY, I just mean if the dogs step out, supervised or unsupervised, things will happen

1-- chance of getting hit from a motorbike
2 -- chance of being kidnapped. Those are exotic dogs - Husky with striking beauty - and Doberman which are rare and expensive. They will sale the dog, or ask you for a ransom. I've been thru that with my GSD, I don't want to experience that again!
3-- this is not dog friendly country. All parks - ALL of them _ forbid bringing dogs to parks.
4 -- People here are different from you guys. If a dog sniffs them - even a baby one who is changing teeth - they would scream and accuse that the dog bit them. Whatmore, if you own 2 expensive dogs they would assume you're rich enough to afford a ridiculous sum of $$. And your dog only sniffed in the first place.
Alot more, but those are main basic reasons.
You may check Ho Chi Minh city real estate is even more expensive than in US.
So, going to bathroom at home, or different bathroom when visiting other houses and guided by owner is necessary here. 90% of house bathroom here is similar.

 

I think we are confused in what kind of advice you want. I'm sure it's a cultural thing. I've seen the toilets in Japan that have kind of a hole in the floor. Not sure if that is what you mean. I crate trained all of mine so I'm not sure I can help.

 

Confused???? Where did I make people confused?
Simply, potty in toilet. Pee, poo, whatever in that area. I mean whatever. I did not ask for anything else. Just go in it and that's perfectly fine to me.
All other info are answers to questions.
In short, how to train a puppy who has not focus, may be young.. whatever to the correct place to pee and poo. that's all i keep repeating over and over.
People let their mind wander from my original post to hunred things.

 

So you want you dog to get on the toilet?

 

sometimes i even have that problem

 

This is a toilet in the US??
Is that what yours looks like???

Physically my dog COULD not do this.......especially as a Baby!

 

a puppy needs to go outside every 30-45 minutes. with 12 weeks they slowly start to controll their bladder and bowl.
after eating, drinking, taking a nap, playing, you have to take them outside nd why you let them poo and pee in the house, dosenmatter its the bathroom,its inside, so the dogs never will learn to do their business outside, what they should.one puppy is a lot of work, two almost to much and it takes time. and like other said crate train him, it might makes it easyer, but you can't leave him that long in the crate also and a 12 weeks pup need 3-4 meals a day, so how you feed him when you are gone for 10hrs a day, thats much to long for a puppy to be alone crate trained or not.
you need to take them outside, then wait til they did their business and paise like its the best, then stay a bit longer outside, because if you take them right back in,they know the fun its over and will hold it longer,just to stay outside. but here are so many thread already about potty training, search and you will find more tips on that subject.

 

I don't think the dog has a mental problem about the toilet. However, I sure do

 

i think he don't want them to go on the toilett,i think he want them to go into the bathroom to take their business there, on the floor or paper whatever he has in there, makes it easyer for him to clean there.like someone paper traine their pups.

 

Maybe?! But he calls it a toilet which is very different then "I want my dog to potty on paper on the floor in the bathroom"

Toilet: Usually White big pot we sit on then flush contents away.
Bathroom (sometimes known as a washroom): Room that houses the toilet and sink to wash hands after using toilet.

Do you want him ON the toilet or on paper just in the room.

 

my dog cannot use my bathroom, I have no room for his magazines.

 

Oh My you are a RIOT!!!!

 

guys, honestly... this isn't supposed to be funny. As khiera said, there is a large cultural difference. Where I wouldn't accept that as a reason to be abusive to an animal, what this person is suggesting is not BAD for the animal, just different.

I think he deserves some of our respect here. This is after all an INTERNATIONAL forum, not a north american one. Stop making his questions a joke.

Back to the original topic:

I would say that no matter where you want your dog to potty, the training needs to be the same. The dog needs to be taken to said place frequently ( every 15-20 minutes as a young pup) and rewarded when he does what you want.

You must also keep eyes on him/her 100% of the time when you are at home. AVoiding accidents in the first place is key to accelerating the learning process.

If you DO catch him in the act, a quick AH AH and pick him up and put him where you want him to go. When he does, LOTS of praise!


When you're not at home, I would suggest leaving him in either a crate ( not sure if there is space for such things where you live, i know how small the Korean places were) or leaving him in a limited area including the potty area. Since you have another dog, this could be a challenge for you.

Take things slow and remember he's just a baby. The rule is that they can hold it for their age in months plus 1 hour... so at 3 months, he should be able to hold it for FOUR hours max, in a crate. Not while he's running around.

he's not an idiot and the reason that he's not reacting is that he doesn't KNOW what he's doing is bad/good. Obviously the association hasn't been made.

You mentioned in one of your other posts that he was outside with the previous owner? That could be hindering him if he never had a specific potty place before.

I do have to ask though... you do WALK and exercise your dogs outside right? So why not train him to potty when you're exercising him? I wouldn't ever expect him to be outside un supervised.