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Kratty 12-20-2005 09:00 AM

Town Hall Topic - Crate Training/Housebreaking
 
With all the new puppys in the forum, I thought this topic would be appropriate and also a trip down memory lane for most of us....

Topic – Crate Training & Housebreaking

• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.
• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
• When did you stop using the crate?

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.
• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.
• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

Gracie's_Mom 12-20-2005 10:04 AM

We got Gracie when she was a year old, she was crate trained already, as well as hosebroken.

She has a Great Dane size crate, she had a bed on the bottom of the crate so she wouldn't be on a hard surface.

Gracie viewed her crate as her bedroom, and just some place to get away from everything.

We stopped using it early this summer. At first she was a little scared that she was moving again I suspect but now she loves not having it. She can now sleep where ever she wants in the living room.

Gracie has only made 2 mistakes since we got her, none of them were her fault, she cries at night if she has to go out and we didn't hear her so she went potty in the house.

At night she cries, during the day she dances. Also if we don't get up when she starts dancing she rings the bell on the back door.

So far she only likes grass, dirt, and snow. She hasn't had to go on other surfaces except for those.

2dobies 12-20-2005 10:38 AM

Never used a crate on any of my dogs. My wife wasnt working when we got Dar, so there was almost always someone home with her.
We have a huge dog bed/floor pillow that she lays on if she's not on the bed, on the couch, on the chair, etc. It's a sherpa-type top w/ cotton bottom, zippered and machine washable. Inner part is foam & cedar chips. She and Sasha both love it, and it's big enough for them both at the same time, if they feel like lying on the floor "like a dog"!
We used pads in the beginning for housebreaking, then switched to newspapers, because we were using up so many pads! Dobies pee a gallon at a time!! Also took her outside a lot--very often, in fact. As soon as she woke up, after she ate or drank, and numerous times during the day and evening 'just in case'. It took a while for me to recognise her teltale signs while she was a puppy.
I rewarded every pee or poo done outside, and when she had an accident in the house, I completely ignored her, and just cleaned it up without making a big deal of it. I didnt want her to start looking for attention, even negative attention, for peeing in the house.
By the time she was 6 months old, she was 100% reliable. I knew her 'schedule' and it worked out great. She knew that if she 'went' outside and not in the house, she would get rewarded for her actions.
Dar lets us know when she has to go outside now, by making a very distinctive "woof" that only means "gotta go!" If it's night time, or early morning and I am asleep, she wakes me up by actually saying "want out" (well, it sounds more like'waaaaaa owwwww', but I know that's what she's saying!
Dar hates to pee on pavement. Grass, dirt, snow, wood chips..ok. I've had to walk a pretty good distance for her while at a mall parking lot to find even a small square of grass! But if she has to go bad enough, she will go anywhere. She doesnt like people to watch her, either. If she can 'hide' behind a bush, a big rock, a tree, a sign...whatever, she's more at ease. That's my girl!!!

LapDog 12-20-2005 11:48 AM

Duchess does not sleep in a crate...she sleeps on our beds...and chills on the bed or the couch when we are gone.
When she was a puppy we kept her in a crate when we went somewhere or went to sleep...It was a real big crate...so in order to prevent her from getting up and going potty in a spot and then coming back and laying down to sleep..we made a divider...that only gave her enough room to lay down in it. She never had an accident...and would sleep from 12am-6am straight. During the day we would take her out to go potty after she 1. Ate 2. Played 3. Slept and never went any longer than 45 minutes without letting her out in the grass...Like I said we no longer use the crate we stopped using the crate when we go to bed at 5-6 months old..(she knows how to use the doggie door by then) but we still kept her in the crate when we were out of the house till she was probably 7-9 months...but she would view her crate as somewhere that prevents her from being with us...she would rather lay on the couch next to us or on our laps. Since we have the doggie door she never had an accident. First we had to train her to be okay with going on concrete...so that was difficult...b.c she learned to do it with grass the whole time. she thought it would be wrong if she went on the concrete...so i was just standing there saying "Duchess go potty" while I KNEW she REALLY had to go but she was shaking and holding it. We started to train her to be okay with going on concrete by taking her for a walk around the block whenever we thought she might want to go pee...and when she did "GOOD PUPPY!" so then one night we were sitting at the dinner table and we heard the doggy door open and close...next thing we know duchess is prancing in all proud!! lol however, the bad thing is since we have the doggy door she forgets that she has to hold it until we let her out outside at my friends house sometimes. So when were over there its like she is a puppy all over again...always letting the out in the yard. and she doesnt tell us when she needs to go b.c she is use to being independent and so she must be like "hmmm where is my doggy door???...well i guess here will have to do"
lol she is getting better with telling us though she will start pacing and walking around the house. Duchess goes pretty fast on different surfaces since we trained her in the grass and then for concrete...she will always pee atleast once around the block and is okay with making mommy work and have to pick up her poo every once and awhile. *additional comment* When Duchess was a puppy up till atleast a little over a year she would piddle a little when she was real excited to see people. Your not suppose to punish for puppy piddles...or else it will get worse i heard...so we just cleaned it up after. while we would try teaching "settle" a little.

IloveMyDobie31 12-20-2005 01:33 PM

I had a big metal crate for Apollo (one of the ones that fold down and have the divider), but he never really liked it. Before I gave it to my sister it served the purpose of being a time-out place for him, which actually worked quite well. When he used it, it had a huge pillow in it that my mom made for him. I gave it to my sister when Dozer came because we weren't 100% sure he was potty trained, and that was when I stopped crating Apollo. For about the past two months, when I go to class or work I have been leaving him out and he's usually asleep on my bed when I get back. I just make sure that everything is picked up and there's nothing he can get into. I'm a neat freak so I don't like anything laying around anyway...everything has to be in its place off the floor and put away. I never crated him at night because I would crate him when I was gone at class and work, and I didn't want to over-crate. Now he doesn't get crated at all, although he's still kind of young. At night he sleeps in bed with me, and during the day he naps on the big doggie pillow my mom made him or on the couch. I have yet to come home to any accidents.

As for housebreaking, I skipped the newspaper/puppy pads and started taking him directly outside to the same spot. I would take him outside every couple hours, and at that time I would also use the crate when I was gone. I used treats and lots of praise and I also say the key phrases "Go potty" and "Hurry up". It took about a month before he started telling me he had to go outside, which for him means that he'll run up to me and bark and then head for the door. He'll also nose the doorknob, and I'll ask him if he has to "Go outside". At 6 1/2 months, I don't think he's 100% reliable, but his only accidents in a long time were when I also had Dozer and he would get really excited. Since Dozer has been gone he hasn't had any accidents. He does have a problem with not wanting to go in other places besides his potty spots though, which can be a little annoying because he is so stubborn. I could stand outside with him forever, but he will not go unless he's at the specific spot. When I started taking him to my sister's house I had to use treats to get him to potty in her back yard, and now he has a specific spot that he'll only go in her backyard as well. He also has trouble going if there is no grass, but I imagine that since this is his first snow, he'll get used to it. It just means that our potty breaks are a little longer, and mommy gets to stand outside in the cold waiting patiently...

frznbuns 12-20-2005 05:33 PM

Oh boy with 4 dogs this is going to be long.. with Raven we did not crate train and it was a mistake.. she was very hard to potty train.. did the whole wee wee pads..newspaper treats bit.. and still accidents up to a year.. then with Spirit we got a crate and he was potty trained in 2 weeks..he would go outside and see raven go and then he would go... Great.. Gypsy was also crate trained but she was a very sick puppy and potty train was a real problem.. she had to have 3 and 4 baths every day.. Iris was pretty easy to potty train.. only took a couple of days of watching the other dogs as she was all ready use to going outside to potty.. As for a sign.. Raven as a strange woof that she only does when she has to go outside.. Spirit.. will come up to you with something in his mouth.. does not matter what it is.. a shoe, a toy, pillow, a piece of lint but it has to be something before he will go outside.. Gypsy will just come and stare at you and wag her tail.. Iris goes and tells Spirit and he comes and tells me..
Iris still sleeps in her crate.. she loves it.. the other 3 sleep on large pillows in the kitchen togetherat night.. during the day when we are gone.. it is just where ever they happen to be..none of the dogs sleep with us as we have a waterbed and also the cats sleep with us..plus can you just see us in a bed with 4 dogs and 2 cats..lol..Gypsy is the only one who will only go potty at her own house.. she will not go when we are out for a walk... as for accidents.. they are dogs and dogs have accidents.. I figure it is my fault because I did not listen to them when they told me they had to go out or they are sick...

TracyJo 12-20-2005 05:47 PM

Topic – Crate Training & Housebreaking

• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.

Chi has an extra-large vari kennel with a really big blanket in it. When she was much younger, I had a box in it to make it smaller.

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?

I started Chi in her kennel the day after she came home at 7 weeks. I would place her in the kennel for naps. She would normally fall asleep on Mark or me and we would then put her in the kennel, kind of like rocking a baby to sleep before you put her in her crib (tell me this pup isn't spoiled LOL). It didn't take her long to accpet her crate but it seemed like it took forever for her to be comfortable in it when we weren't in the room. It was originally in the living room. I would put her in at night and then try to sneak upstairs to bed, but she always woke up within minutes and started screaming. I spent close to a month sleeping on the couch and then got smart and moved her crate upstairs to the bedroom. At 6 months old, she is fine with her kennel and will readily run to it when I tell both the dogs to "kennel-up".
To teach that, I saved "cookies" for the kennel. Since she follows me everywhere, she would see me get the "cookies" from the treat cabinet. I would say "kennel-up" and then we'd race to my bedroom. At first I would toss the "cookie" into the kennel but after a few days I would wait until she went in and then would give her a treat before I shut the door. All in all, it took maybe a week to get her to go to her kennel on command.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)

I don't use the kennel for punishment but if she's done something wrong, like destroying a couch cushion or a folder full of important papers (both within the last few weeks) I will find the evidence and then her in her crate. She knows that it is her safe place.
Since we are military and travel a lot, the crate is a VERY important piece of furniture for us. It is essential that our animals are used to and comfortable in their crates, especially when we travel and fly. They are frequently boarded when we have to travel and I always have the boarding kennel keep their crates in their runs for that added bit of security.
I crate her when we are going to be out of the house for more than a few minutes, I tried to leave her out but that's when the important papers and couch cushion met their demise, so I think it's still a bit too early for that.
I will also use it as a time out for momma sometimes. There are times when she wants to play or is very excited and for what ever reason I'm busy with something else. On those times I will give her a favorite toy or treat in her kennel rather than getting frustrated at trying to calm her and get whatever I need to do done.

• When did you stop using the crate?

We will never completely stop using the crate since she needs to stay very used to it and comfortable in it when we travel. But for the most part I rarely close the door at night and we're working on giving her free reign on the rare occassion someone is not at home.


• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)

She was crated when we could not be with her but other than that we went outside A LOT! After she ate, drank or woke up, we went outside, as soon as she pottied, she got treated and came back in. Then I just watched her like a hawk. She made very few mistakes as a pup. I would say that by the time she was 12 weeks, she was pretty reliable. Now we have to be careful because she pees if she's really excited but hasn't had any accidents since she was very young.


• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.

Maybe 4-6 weeks. I found that the key was to not give them the opportunity for a mistake. She honestly didn't have the chance, if she even almost looked like she had to go, I took her outside.


• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.

This is one of Chi's endearing traits. She first jumps on the back door. If I ignore her or tell her to wait (she also does this when she wants to go out and play with the neighbors dogs through the fence) she will steal something, like a sock or dishtowel, and prance around. I am the only one that can take the stolen object safely and get her outside. If Mark or Jordan try to take it from her, she will start peeing on the spot. We do not punish her when she does this and I don't really consider it a mistake, she's just wicked excited and it may border or submissive urination.


• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

Chi sticks mostly to the grass but if it's raining outside she has been known to pee on the croncrete right out the back door (she may melt, you know :-).

TracyJo 12-20-2005 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frznbuns
as for accidents.. they are dogs and dogs have accidents.. I figure it is my fault because I did not listen to them when they told me they had to go out or they are sick...

I just about had a heart attack, Frzbuns, I wanted to quote this but accidently hit the edit button instead of quote and deleted almost your entire post! Thank God for the "cancel" button :-)

This is an excellent point and I'm glad you've made it. I would say that probably 99% of all "accidents" are the owners fault. Either they did not excercise proper training techniques in the beginning or they just didn't take the dog out when he needed to go out.

Some dogs take to the training much easier than others. You made that point with your own dogs. I know Petri was horrible with potty training but in retrospect, I can tell you every mistake that I made with him and why to this day, it is my fault that he isn't 100% potty trained.

Lexus 12-20-2005 08:09 PM

Excellent Topic Kratty!!


•What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.
I use a regular wire cage (coated wire). I keep blankets and towels in it. (easier to wash than a pet bed... the pet bed is beside my bed)

•How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
I trained Lex to be in her cage by keeping the cage beside the bed at night time (she cried her everloving head off otherwise!!) and she just got used to being in it during the day, she was fine in her cage by herself from the get go as long as there was someone in the room, she took about a week or two to become accustomed to being by herself

•What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
The crate was never used as punishment. It was used only as a bedroom, or to keep her safe and out of harms way if I couldn't keep my eyes on her at any time

•When did you stop using the crate?
Although I do periodically still use it, it is few and far between, just if maybe there is another dog or person in the house and I want Lexus out of the way, when she was about 7 months old she started sleeping beside the bed, and was in the crate during the day while I was at work. At about 13-14 months she started getting the run of the house at all times, and has kept that privilege ever since

•What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
I don't personally believe in puppy pads, they are teaching a dog to eliminate on a particular surface, and I just think if you are going to do that, than just teach them to eliminate outside. I watched Lexus very closely, after she ate, played or slept - we went outside, and she was rewarded for eliminating outside. We had a few accidents, maybe half a dozen. But she just "got" it. (must be the dobie brain!!)

•How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.
At about four and half to five months old, there was no more mistakes. I do not kid myself in saying she was 100% at that age, but after that point she "had the picture" and I was fortunate to encourage that behavior by catching her and getting her where she needed to be before there could be an accident.

•How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.
She pretty much irritates the heck out of me :) She snaps at the air with no noise, stares intently and "wigglebutts" her way around wagging her butt like crazy!

•Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)
Interesting Question:) For the longest time I had trouble getting Lexus to eliminate in different locations and on different surfaces, I got over it by walking outside with her when ever she eliminated told her to "go potty", now anywhere I take her I can tell her that she will start sniffing out a place to go

Dobe_Paws 12-20-2005 09:03 PM

• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.

The crate I have for Ava is a giant vari-kennel. She seemed to feel more comfortable in those vs. the wire crates. In the crate, I kept a thick sheepskin blanket for her

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?

It didn't take her very long to understand the concept of the crate. I started out by putting treats in there and letting her walk in and out of it freely. Then I started to feed her in there and would keep in her for short periods of time... Each time being a little longer than the last. I can't say she was very thrilled about it at first but once she got used to it, she was fine in there.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)

Ava doesn't use her crate anymore but when she did it was always for sleeping. I never used it as a form of punishment.

• When did you stop using the crate?

I think around 10 months or so. She might have been a few months older.

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)

LOTS of praise and treats! I never corrected her if she had an accident because it was either Brian's or my own fault. I just made sure she knew how pleased I was when she did her buisness outside. I also used the words 'go potty' when we were out for a bathroom break and she learned that those words meant she had to do her buisness and it wasn't playtime

• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.

It's tough to say. I would say when she was about 3 and a half months old she had the idea down but if I wasn't paying attention(shame on me!) and she really had to go, she'd go. I think she was about 4 months when she had her last 'accident'.

• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.

She doesn't. We're on a schedule and she goes out at set times throughout the day so she never needs to tell me.

• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

She'll readily go on dirt or grass but will reluctantly go on pavement if she must.

Kratty 12-25-2005 11:17 AM

• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.

We use the wire crate from Life Stages, it’s the large size that came with a divider that was very useful while my girl was growing up. She has a 2 inch crate pad that is very plush and comfy. She also has a full size fleece blanket covering the pad. We have a blanket that the top to make it more of a den for her.

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?

I took me 4 nights to get her to stay in the crate and not cry during the night. We had the crate set up in the living room, where we spend most of the time. Since I work at home, I worked from the living where at least she could see me during the day. The first four nights were hell. I had to sleep next to the crate with the door opened, and my little, little girl would snuggle next to me. Once she fell asleep, I would gently move her in the crate. She would stay there the rest of the night. Soon, she learned this was her room.
And finally, I was able to get back upstairs and sleep in a real bed. After that, she would sleep the whole night in the crate.

During the day, I would put her in the crate for short periods and then started making them longer. Eventually, she started to go in it on her own when she was tired.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (Bedroom, punishment, etc)

Nikita sees her crate as her room. A place to go when she’s got bored, tired or wants to feel safe. If we are not paying ant attention to her, we always find her in her crate. It was our baby sitter while growing up. When ever we could not keep an eye on her, she was crated. This help with not letting her get into things she was not supposed to get in. We also used use it for time outs, when she was not being good. A 30 second time out did wonders. It was like, “Go to your room.” It broke the distraction and got her to settle down. Once she did that, she got her privilege back.

• When did you stop using the crate?

She is still using it today, at 15 months. She still sleeps in at night, but now with the door opened. She will soon be getter her own big, comfy doggy bed. Right now, she is maturing and sometimes barks in the night at what ever is outside. Closing her in the crates still helps when this occurs.

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
As a puppy she peed after anything she did. Waking up in the morning, after she eat, after and during play time, after naps, after everything. So at first, she was out every hour, then we increased the times as she got older. I wished I would have taken a few weeks of Pupturnity leave from work when we got her, but being a stay at home doberdad with a understanding boss helped a lot. We set her scheduled for potty, because as a puppy, it was really hard to see the signs and also they went pretty quick when they had too. While we were out with her getting her to go, we did the “hurry up” phrase in a very melodic style which taught her that it was time to go potty. Once she went, it was like getting selected for the Price is Right. Goodies galore, bells, whistles and streamers and praise.

• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.

At one year she became totally reliable. She matured enough to control her bladder, she was giving us signs that she wanted to go out. She would hold it in many different situations. I think maturity has a lot to do with being reliable.

• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.

She does the whole head in the lap, and she pulls her head back when you go and pet her. She also has a whinny whin when she can’t touch us. The other day out visiting my aunt, she scratched the rug a few times and sure enough, she had to go out. Seeing the signs is the most difficult thing to recognize.

• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

We took her to so many different places as a pup that this helped her go on different surfaces. The hurry up song helps in getting her to go on different surfaces. She can go about any where now.

TomAndKing 01-24-2006 03:25 AM

• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.

At the moment i am using a "furarri" crate for king. I actually have had it for a LONG time, and have never used it until the other day. Well, guess what, he out grew it. So, i am looking for a larger crate. I found a nice outdoor "kennel" that is the perfect size for him, so im going to pick that up when i get paid. I started working on the crate training with king yesterday, and he is already taking to it.

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?

My method was simple. Make the crate a place of enjoyment and he will want to go in. First, I went to the store and bought a pack of hotdogs to use for treats/rewards. Then i would take a chunk, place it in the crate and tell king to go get it. At first he was leary, and would only go in just enough to grab it and then backed out. After one full hot dog, when he went in, i gave him a gental push on the bumb, and he walked in. i gave him a treat and said good boy. Now that he knows he doesnt need to be affraid, i started using the "In Crate" command since bed time is already used along with go home. I would then throw a hot dong in, tell king to "go in crate" and then get him to sit and stay for about 10 seconds. i did that about 10 times, then ended the session. That was yesterdays training. I will increase the time as days go by, until eventually, i add the door and then eventually close it.
The main reason i am crate traning him now instead of before is because i am going back to school, and i cant take him with me.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)

The crate will only be used for when im not in the house for now. Once he is more comfortable about being in there, i may add the use for punishment, although there isnt really anything to punish him for.

• When did you stop using the crate?

I stopped because i just didnt have the knowledge on training him. It wasnt working, king was getting upset, i was getting frustrated, and i thought it would be best to wait until i knew what i was doing.

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)

Basically i took king out literally every two hours to pee and poo. I would make a huge deal about it when he did it outside. petting him, telling him how good he is, and giving him treats. If he had an accident in the house and i caught him, i would say his name loud and quick so that he would pretty much just stop dead in his tracks. I then picked him up, took him outside and whenhe finished outside, he got more praise. It actually worked REALLY well. didnt take very log at all.

• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.

Id say it took him until about 6 months before he because dead reliable. But that is because he was on meds that actually made him unable to control his bladder(so i found out)

• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.

King will either hit his nose on the bell by the door, or stand infront of me and stare.

• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

King will go where ever i tell him. He will pee on command, but i cant seem to get him to deficate on command.

DobiLove 02-12-2006 08:21 PM

I havnt started crate training for jack and i dont think i will. Hes doing really good at going out side when he has to potty, he even whines at the door to go out. But still does have a few accidents (what you expect for a baby!). He doesnt sleep in a create or our bed due to still being little and not fully house trained. But he does sleep in his little puppy bed. It kinda like a create to him. H goes to it when hes tired and after playing and when he gets hurt (like earlier he decided he wanted to fly off the couch) And took off running to his bed. so i guess that can be considered his crate :D. he is so far pretty easy to train.
Jamie.

Pippinislove 02-12-2006 11:26 PM

• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.

I have used both wire crates and the plastic airline crates. The plastic airline crate is the "Furrari" line, the wire crate is from Precision Pet and is easily collapsible I got it at a garage sale for 40 dollars. It's a very large crate, bigger than what is needed for a Doberman.

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?

I brought my dog home as a puppy and instantly got him used to it. He slept in there every night for quite awhile. The crate was in my bedroom but you couldn't see the bed, so for the first half of the first night I slept on the floor in front of the crate. It didn't take long at all, he only whined once (on the second night) and I never had issues getting him into the crate.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)

The crate was just a place to keep him safe and to help prevent potty accidents. For a while (before he was allowed on the bed to sleep) it served as a "bedroom" for him to sleep if he wanted to. We currently have both our crates set up in the house, the plastic Furarri one is in my room, and the wire one is in the computer room. It originally wasn't in here but we set it up because my dog had foot surgery and needed to stay off his feet for four weeks. Since I spend most of my time in here I decided it was the best place to set up the alternative crate.

• When did you stop using the crate?

Hard to say because I, for awhile, used it on and off. When he was around a year old I started letting him sleep on my bed instead of the crate but continued putting him in there when we left. After a month or so of that he had some anxiety problems and I was advised to put him back into his crate at night. I would say we've officially stopped crating him while we're away and at night since he was around a year and a half old, maybe two years. Really, I don't remember that well.

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)

I strictly used a crate and prevention. He was taken outside about every 45 minutes and when I couldn't watch him I would put him into his crate. I also kept him on a leash at ALL TIMES, even in the house except if in the crate. This made it sooo much easier because he was connected to me at all times and it was easier to watch him since he couldn't get behind furniture. I also used positive reinforcement (play time) when he would potty outside. I didn't punish him for pottying in the house, if I caught him in the act I would pick him up and take him outside.

I also taught him the word "outside". Every time we passed through the doorway I would say "outside" so he would associate going outside with the word "outside", once he got that I would say "outside!" whenever I'd catch him pottying or about the potty in the house. Dunno if it helped at all though.

• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.

I would say he was good from 4 or 5 months up until about 7 months, then we started "slip" on his training and he started to poo in the house. We stepped up on taking him outside more often.

He just recently had some nasty diahrrea and poo'd in the house while we were gone. I don't consider that an accident because if you *can't* hold it you can't hold it.

• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.

He scratches at the door or sits and waits by the door. He'll also come up to you and stare at you while putting his paw on your knee/lap/arm.

• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

No. Pip has never gone potty while on a day-trip. The only time he's gone potty has been on walks which started on our property when he *really* has to. He has gone on gravel and grass willingly, but only on cement twice when he really had to.

Kratty 02-14-2006 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DobiLove
I havnt started crate training for jack and i dont think i will. Hes doing really good at going out side when he has to potty, he even whines at the door to go out. But still does have a few accidents (what you expect for a baby!). He doesnt sleep in a create or our bed due to still being little and not fully house trained. But he does sleep in his little puppy bed. It kinda like a create to him. H goes to it when hes tired and after playing and when he gets hurt (like earlier he decided he wanted to fly off the couch) And took off running to his bed. so i guess that can be considered his crate :D. he is so far pretty easy to train.
Jamie.

Your a brave person, DobiLove....Crate training is a great tool to have in you bag of tricks. Its so much more than a sleeping place and a potty training tool. Its a great baby sitter when you don't have the time to watch them 100%. Especially when you need to leave them at home alone and don't want them to hurt themselves and not to eat the house. Also use it for traveling, taking to the vet, by yourself can be really intereseting. Keeping them under control. Its also a place they know is safe for them, which they can go to to be alone. And of course, when they need a "time out" because they are running around the house totally out of control, and being a puppy, this is going to happen. They learn that being put in a crate means to settle down. Its a very versatile tool, I could not live without.....Just my 2 cents......

DobiLove 02-14-2006 10:19 AM

hey i dont mind 2 cents.. lol..I have been thinking about it the past couple days. cause when ever i leave him in the kitchen when im to go somewheres he does make a mess with everything and he whines and howles a little funny LOL, but that cause hes stuck to my side all the time. i just have to see if i can get a crate for his growing body.. i think hes grown a couple inches in the two weeks we have had him heh.

MrDesi 02-14-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2dobies
Never used a crate on any of my dogs. My wife wasnt working when we got Dar, so there was almost always someone home with her.
We have a huge dog bed/floor pillow that she lays on if she's not on the bed, on the couch, on the chair, etc. It's a sherpa-type top w/ cotton bottom, zippered and machine washable. Inner part is foam & cedar chips. She and Sasha both love it, and it's big enough for them both at the same time, if they feel like lying on the floor "like a dog"!
We used pads in the beginning for housebreaking, then switched to newspapers, because we were using up so many pads! Dobies pee a gallon at a time!! Also took her outside a lot--very often, in fact. As soon as she woke up, after she ate or drank, and numerous times during the day and evening 'just in case'. It took a while for me to recognise her teltale signs while she was a puppy.
I rewarded every pee or poo done outside, and when she had an accident in the house, I completely ignored her, and just cleaned it up without making a big deal of it. I didnt want her to start looking for attention, even negative attention, for peeing in the house.
By the time she was 6 months old, she was 100% reliable. I knew her 'schedule' and it worked out great. She knew that if she 'went' outside and not in the house, she would get rewarded for her actions.
Dar lets us know when she has to go outside now, by making a very distinctive "woof" that only means "gotta go!" If it's night time, or early morning and I am asleep, she wakes me up by actually saying "want out" (well, it sounds more like'waaaaaa owwwww', but I know that's what she's saying!
Dar hates to pee on pavement. Grass, dirt, snow, wood chips..ok. I've had to walk a pretty good distance for her while at a mall parking lot to find even a small square of grass! But if she has to go bad enough, she will go anywhere. She doesnt like people to watch her, either. If she can 'hide' behind a bush, a big rock, a tree, a sign...whatever, she's more at ease. That's my girl!!!


Exactly....almost word for word...!!!! Except my sis was always home, and I only have one dobie.

Naveen

DobiLove 02-15-2006 08:35 AM

I just started crate training jack last night due to he was crying in the kitchen cause his buddy was sleeping in the living room last night. So Jack got to use the crate last night and fell asleep immedietly when i put him in there. and he didnt wake up til about 5:30 when hubby got up, so i also got up and put him out. then he came back in and played for a few min. Then i put him back in the crate with a treat. But he wont go in by his self.. is that cause hes still new to it? I think im gonna go and get him a differnt crate cause the one i have is small (good size for him at the moment) But it has a small door to go into and i dont like that. i got it from a friend so its handy for the moment.
If anyone have any suggestions to help out with the training. it would be great.
Jamie.

Kratty 02-15-2006 08:43 AM

Hey thats great....We keep ours in the living room where we spend most of the time in the evening. So when she gets tired, she goes in it and she is still with us. You might try feeding him in the crate or giving a kong stuffed with goodies while in the crate. Also, put him in it occasionally through out the day for a bit, to take a nap and then out again....Try to make it a good thing to associate with....It took me almost a week to get Nikita use to hers. Good Luck.

Kratty 02-15-2006 08:46 AM

I almost forgot. You might want to get a crate that is large enough an adult size doberman that has a moveablr divider in it. That way you can adjust it, while he grows. I like the wire crate....If he is not a chewer, then make it as comfy as possible inside. We drape ours with a blanket so its more like a den...

DobiLove 02-15-2006 08:58 AM

Thanks! Yeah, hes not a chewer in there yet. lol, but yeah im thinking of getting one of those crates so it will be much easier. im gonna go to petsmart this weekend to check them out. And ill check on a kong also, i know i had one for my rottie that i had years ago and she had loved it. and jack is getting to the point of liking treats. i gave him his first one yesturday and he was so proud of it carrying it around with his head high in the air. so a kong should be fun with him.
Thanks again for the tips :)
Jamie

Pippinislove 02-16-2006 02:27 AM

I don't think crate training is just an important training tool, but there are a few situations where a dog may NEED to be in a crate, such as an emergency situation or at the vet's office. Though both are stressful situations regardless, it really can make things MUCH smoother if the dog feels secure in one already.

DobiLove 02-16-2006 09:07 AM

Yeah i understand totaly, I went and got him a crate yesturday and now i cant keep him out of it.. But i think that was because i had his bed in there. I keep the door open during the day so he can come in and out to play. and well he wanted to practically live in there yesturday... But today is a differnt story .. talk about a monster puppy LOL..

Prettydobie 06-21-2006 06:05 PM

What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on?She has the biggest plastic crate i could find and she has either a giant bed in there or pillows and blankets.
How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?Trinity hated being in the crate when she was little so i never really crate trained her but now thats she older i can put her in there and she is fine.
What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)If we have the house open and we dont want her to run out we will put her in it or if something is wrong with her and we dont want her to move to much. Trinity i think sees it was a bedroom but i'm not sure.
When did you stop using the crate?I stopped really using the crate at 6 months old and now i only use when i dont want her to move that much.
What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman?(puppy pads, etc)I would let her out about 8 times a day and as she started to grow up i slowly cut back on how often i let her out. Now i only let her out 2 - 3 times.
How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes?That took about 3 - 4 months i think
How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out? She doesnt alert us she so use to being let out she just holds it till we let her out
Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)I have never seen trinity go on anything other then grass but of course i dont travel with her because she some how got trained not to use the restroom when her leash is on.

keniesue 09-08-2006 11:31 AM

What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on?
We have a huge wire crate (giant breed size) and two molded plastic crates (large and xlarge). The wire crate has a dog pillow in it, the other crates have fleece blankets. We also keep a large dog pillow in the laundry room.
How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
I wasn't a big believer in crating until about 2 years ago. I hadn't ever used crates and the only time the girls were in them was at the vet. I went to pick them up after being gone for a weekend and Maggie was all shook up, she was completely stressed, had had accidents in the crate, wasn't eatting, you name it. I decided that we needed to introduce crating as a positive experience so the girls wouldn't panic at the vet's. We got the XL plastic crate first and put a pillow in it and treats and let the girls explore on their own. They were both potty trained by this time so we didn't need to door shut.
What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
Everybody loves the crates now. They use them like bedrooms. We only close the adults in their crates when one (or more) is in heat and i'm not here to watch them. Greta runs into the wire crate when I walk past the kitchen door because she wants treats or thinks I'm going out. We don't use the crate as punishment and never scold them whren they go in, but if they're getting on each other's nerves I will separate them for awhile using crates.
When did you stop using the crate?
We still use them everyday. 2 are in the kitchen and 2 are in my bedroom. They come and go as they please.
What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman?(puppy pads, etc)
I tried pads and newspapers, but they ate them. It was just easier to go out with them and praise them for going outside.
How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes?
Maggie was easy, I drove 10 hours to get her from the breeder and on the way home I stopped anytime she told me she needed to go. I praised each potty and by the time we were home she knew "potty". It took her a 4 days to master the dog door and she's never had an accident inside. Rita was okay, the drive time to bring her home was shorter, so we didn't have as much practice time :-). She had the dog door down within an hour of coming home (had to keep up with the others). Greta was 3 years old when we got her and was potty trained. Hank is almost 8 months and hates going out in the rain so he holds it and holds it until he can't wait anymore, then he pees on the porch right outside the dog door.
How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out?
They have a dog door and can go out anytime they need to. When we go to shows Hank will go to the door and scratch or hit the knob to tell me he needs out. He also finds the room again and "knocks" to go back in.
Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)
The girls only want to go on grass, dirt, or gravel -- no hard surfaces. Hank has no such hang ups. He'll pee anywhere if you tell him to go potty. None of them want to poo if anyone is watching, though.

When a litter is born we move the mom and pups into the wire crate after a day or two in the whelping box. The moms feel safer there I think. We start crating puppies in pairs and on their own when they're about 7 weeks old. They still have group time and such, but it helps them get comfortable with the idea of being away from their littermates.


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