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post #126 of 176 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 09:53 AM
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Grading your dog food

As the owner of a Rottweiler, I also belong to a forum dedicated to that breed. They posted a way of grading dog food that I thought would be useful here:

How to grade your dog's food:
Start with a grade of 100:

1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points

2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points

3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points

4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points

5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour"

are all the same grain), subtract 5 points

6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points

8) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3points

9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points

10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points

11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points

13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points

14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point

15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points

2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points

3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points

4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points

8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points

9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points

10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein

source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point

13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point

94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
69 = F

Here are some foods that have already been scored.
Dog Food scores:

Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+

Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F

Canidae / Score 112 A+

Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+

Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F

Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B

Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A

Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+

Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+

Foundations / Score 106 A+

Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 D

Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D

Innova Dog / Score 114 A+

Innova Evo / Score 114 A+

Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+

Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B

Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B

Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F

ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+

Purina Beniful / Score 17 F

Purina Dog / Score 62 F

Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F

Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+

Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+

Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A

Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F

Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F

Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+

Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?

I give Gorky Kibble right now the brand is Orijen, in the mornings i give him a cup of chicken heart or liver(cow or pig) and a small pieace of boiled chicken or Beef plus a cup and a half of his Kibble, for lunch and dinner he gets kibble alone.
I NEVER feed him human food.

• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?

since he is a puppy i give him 3 meals, so for breakfast i give him 2 1/2 cups altogether, for lunch i give him 2 cups and for dinner i give him 1 cup.

• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?

we are doing obedience training i don't usually like to give him treats but sometimes when he stays for a long time i give him a little treat which is Dried cow liver.

• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? If so, which ones do you give? What made you decide to add supplements?

NO but i probably should.

• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)

I feed him Orijen and i bought it because i researched over the net and second it was the most expensive.
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?

I give Gorky Kibble right now the brand is Orijen, in the mornings i give him a cup of chicken heart or liver(cow or pig) and a small pieace of boiled chicken or Beef plus a cup and a half of his Kibble, for lunch and dinner he gets kibble alone.
I NEVER feed him human food.

• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?

since he is a puppy i give him 3 meals, so for breakfast i give him 2 1/2 cups altogether, for lunch i give him 2 cups and for dinner i give him 1 cup.

• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?

we are doing obedience training i don't usually like to give him treats but sometimes when he stays for a long time i give him a little treat which is Dried cow liver.

• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? If so, which ones do you give? What made you decide to add supplements?

NO but i probably should.

• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)

I feed him Orijen and i bought it because i researched over the net and second it was the most expensive.
Are you supposed to feed a pup that much?
I give mine 2 cups in the morning and 2 cups at night?
Am i underfeeding him?
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We have a red dobe who is 13 wks old. When we first brought her home @ 9 wks, she was eating the soft puppy chow for kibble plus ricotta or scrambled egg (depending on meal), boiled hamburger with veggies & Nupro. Now she gets hard kibble with a bit of water instead. We also have Scotties and they've been on Healthwise for several years so we have started Ruby with a little of that mixed in with the other ingredients and so far so good. Her stools are good, she's not gassy so seems to be tolerating it well. She obviously is more full faster since we added the Healthwise since she continually leaves food in her dish.
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?
• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?
• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?
• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? If so, which ones do you give? What made you decide to add supplements?
• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)

Roxy is was eating Purina Puppy Chow for the large breeds. Recommendation from my vet was to take her off puppy chow at 1yr. She is almost 1yr and we just switched to Purina Dog Chow and she seems to be doing fine with it! She has a automatic food dish that just dispenses food out when the bowl is empty. So she has constant access to food another reccomendation from my vet. She gets milkbone treats occasionally when she comes in from outside and she also likes chewy bones. And if she is a good girl she gets the last bite of whatever we are eating. She is given a daily vitamin twice a day. Its called Glycoflex, another reccomendation from my vet. Its to help with joints on large breed dogs. She also gets what we call "teeth treat" and its just a small treat that is to help keep teeth clean.
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How many of you add bread in the meal.I only use granules-rice and chicken..somethimes I'm adding bread,but only half slice per meal.He is still 3.5 mounts.Do you think it's propper in this dose,or it's useless
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?
• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?
• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?
• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? If so, which ones do you give? What made you decide to add supplements?
• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)
Anne was fed Orijen Lg. Breed Puppy from 12wks. of age until 13+ mos.; now she is fed Acana. She is fed twice a day; her supplements consist of Source trace minerals and wild Alaska salmon oil. In addition she gets yogart or raw eggs about 3 times a week and canned or raw meat[ tripe, beef, etc.] with each meal. Feeding completely raw is great, if you can do it. It just does not work out for me.
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I was at one time feeding a complete raw diet and changed. I now feed all my dogs IAMs puppy food. It has done wonders for the coat and all dogs are at a good weight. I feed once a day in the evening and give each one about four cups, which usually last them most of the evening. I have a three year old female and a one year old male. I give neck bones, knuckle bones etc a couple of times a week.
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I don't know if anyone posted this but this is a great site. You can get a review of all types of dog food. From kibble to canned. Also, see where your current dog food is ranked.

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/
thanks for the link. I'm interested in switching my doggies food..
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thanks for the link. I'm interested in switching my doggies food..
okay I've been to the link. Now my mind is swirling. I have to dogs with skin issues and gas. I'm thinking a food change my help. I'm looking at wellness or the chicken soup to see if it allieviates the symptoms. But it says there's not enough meat content? But the foods I clicked on. None of them had enough meat content.. hmmm
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? Kibble and leftovers(Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way?Don't know, maybe from how we kept our family dogs many years ago. Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu? I will feed raw meat and bones when I can get them too.
• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?
Twice a day. Dobes2 - 2 1/2 cups each. Pitty 1 cup.• Do you give treats? YES!!!If so, what kind? Raw carrots, squash, beans, anything from the garden they want. Homemade dog cookies.How many/often do they get treats each day?
I don't know, whenever they ask for one. heehee• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? NO!If so, which ones do you give?N/A What made you decide to add supplements?N/A
• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it?Not sure what super premium is. I feed Purina Pro Plan salmon and rice Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? {word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc}Have fed Purina for over 30 years.
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I switched from "Authority Brand" kibble to "Canidae" kibble. I also give raw veggies as snacks. Greenies.. BJ's Brand dog biscuits.. Occasional people foods. favorites are bw'3 garlic hot wings. But she only gets a piece of meat off of the wing. no bones for her.. Loves Twizzlers.. but only gets one every few months.
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?

Hans is fed dry food- "Pro Plan Large Breed Puppy with Chicken"- I mix in a little warm water to prevent the dry food from sticking to his throat, Once a day--he gets a cap full of vegetable oil and I also use "Missing Link-Omega 3 Superfood Supplement"

• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?

I feed twice a day - morning and evening. Hans is at 7 cups a day (3 1/2 twice a day).

• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?
They get a good amount of treats. I use Waggin Trail (real chicken), and Milkbone. They each get a large raw beef bone from the grocery store deli once a week. I rarely give rawhide, and do not feed table scraps. For training, I slice up a cooked chicken hot dog into small pieces.

• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)

I feed ProPlan because it is made of real chicken and contains 24% protein which was recommended by Hans' importer, this is the standard she uses for her breeding program. It is not a cheap food, but neither was Hans, and I do not want to cut corners when it comes to his nutrition.
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I Feed my puppy Raw Chicken, at around 9:30 in the Morning, at 3 he gets Kibble mixed with Wet Food, and around 7 he gets the same thing Kibble mixed with Wet Food
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EVO- turkey and chicken, raw veggies, raw meat, yogurt, eggs
i do not feed any grains

gets 1 1/2 cups twice a day of kibble

treats:
EVO - wild cravings turkey and chicken treats,
Canyon Creek Ranch chicken tenders or chicken veggies treats
Gimborn freeze dried liver treats
or raw meat/veggies/yogurt
as many as he wants, doesnt effect his diet

research made me decide to switch, if we had room for a large freezer i would switch to all RAW and never feed kibble again

The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare?
Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble
Jane Anderson's Raw Learning Site
THE MANY MYTHS ABOUT RAW FEEDING
BARF Diet Specifics - Bones, Meat, Offal, Vegetables, Fruits & Other Nutrition Food Products for Pet
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I've been wrestling with what to feed our young Sprocket both now as a pup, and once he's matured. I still have not concluded my research but as a scientist I appreciate someone who's put in their due diligence. Attached you will find a very detailed, factual report on the truth of kibble: what it contains, how it's made, how nutrition is affected by manufacturing, and also who's making it & reselling it. It also has some history about how kibble has evolved and why it's not what your father fed his dog. It also holds little to no advice and is therefore nothing more than information for you to make your decision on. This sort of research driven writing with fully cited sources has weighed heavily in my decision, I hope you find it as valuable as I did. Perhaps someday it might be made a sticky on this forum.

PDF: Pet Food Report
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?
• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?
• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?
• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? If so, which ones do you give? What made you decide to add supplements?
• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)
Anne is fed Acana 2x a day supplemented w/a tablespoon of premium canned food. IN the evening I add 1/4 tsp. of Source trace minerals, 1 tsp. of Springtime, Inc. Bug Off Garlic powder, 2 measures of Springtime Longevity, 4 pumps of wild salmon oil, and 1 cap. of soy isoflavnoids[sp.?] and 3 times a week I add a raw egg. Water is added so all this stuff makes a gravy.

Anne was raised from 13 weeks[age I picked up from the breeder] until about 13 months of age on Orijen large breed puppy food, then I switched to Acana[I rotate all 3 flavors]. Everytime I see a new food I investigate it, but nothing yet seems to best the Acana for my feeding program. I found the Orijen on my own; an employee of the pet supply store told me about the grain-free Acana.

Nothing wrong w/raw feeding, but this works for me.

Left off the treats-sorry. She gets Zuckers as training treats and Old Mother Hubbard small baked bones in her Kongs when left in her crate.

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I've been wrestling with what to feed our young Sprocket both now as a pup, and once he's matured. I still have not concluded my research but as a scientist I appreciate someone who's put in their due diligence. Attached you will find a very detailed, factual report on the truth of kibble: what it contains, how it's made, how nutrition is affected by manufacturing, and also who's making it & reselling it. It also has some history about how kibble has evolved and why it's not what your father fed his dog. It also holds little to no advice and is therefore nothing more than information for you to make your decision on. This sort of research driven writing with fully cited sources has weighed heavily in my decision, I hope you find it as valuable as I did. Perhaps someday it might be made a sticky on this forum.

PDF: Pet Food Report

The PDF posted is true about a lot of kibble on the market today, but there are some very good kibbles available. Orijen/Acana is one of the best. All of the meat products used in production are human grade and fresh, never frozen. They are also grain free.

Check here and choose a six star kibble:

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and the last bite of anything I am eating.
i'm glad to hear i'm not the only one. my wife thinks i'm a pushover but how could you say no to a face like this?

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I feed him both - processed dog food and homemade dog food. I give processed dog food at lunch and homemade at dinner. Or sometimes, I mix these foods in his bowl. He likes it mixed or not. lol!
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• What is the daily menu for your Doberman’s diet? (Kibble, wet food, raw, home cooking, etc) and what made you decide to feed this way? Have you fed any other foods prior to your current menu?
• How many times a day do you feed them and how much?
• Do you give treats? If so, what kind? How many/often do they get treats each day?
• Do you add any supplements to your Doberman’s diet? If so, which ones do you give? What made you decide to add supplements?
• If you feed a super-premium dog food, what made you decide to switch to it? Where did you learn about the super-premium dog food? (word of mouth, internet, friends, vet, etc)
Anne is fed 2x per day. Mornings she gets 1&1/4 cup dry with warm water and 1 tbl. of 95% meat canned food.

Evening meal is 1&1/4 cup dry with warm water, 1 tbl. sp. of the canned food plus supplements. The supplements consist of trace minerals by Source, Longevity and Bug Off Garlic by Springtime, and Grizzley wild salmon oil. In addition she gets a daily soy isoflavones suppement to support bone and cardiovascular health because she is spayed, and a raw, free range chicken egg 3x a week.

Her food is now Nature's Logic because they use only natural vitamins and minerals. She was raised from 13 weeks to about 13 months of age on Orijen Large Puppy food and on Acana until 2 yrs. old when I moved her to Nature's Logic. Nothing against Orijen or Acana; I just prefer the natural vitamins/minerals in Nature's Logic.

Eventhou I feed a super premium food I use supplements to ensure that nothing is missing in her diet and with whole food supplements there is no danger of too many chemical vitamins. Also the protein sources are rotated in both the dry and canned foods.

Everything she eats I decided on from careful research, including talking to someone at the manufacturer, if needed.

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Anne is fed 2x per day. Mornings she gets 1&1/4 cup dry with warm water and 1 tbl. of 95% meat canned food.

Evening meal is 1&1/4 cup dry with warm water, 1 tbl. sp. of the canned food plus supplements. The supplements consist of trace minerals by Source, Longevity and Bug Off Garlic by Springtime, and Grizzley wild salmon oil. In addition she gets a daily soy isoflavones suppement to support bone and cardiovascular health because she is spayed, and a raw, free range chicken egg 3x a week.

Her food is now Nature's Logic because they use only natural vitamins and minerals. She was raised from 13 weeks to about 13 months of age on Orijen Large Puppy food and on Acana until 2 yrs. old when I moved her to Nature's Logic. Nothing against Orijen or Acana; I just prefer the natural vitamins/minerals in Nature's Logic.

Eventhou I feed a super premium food I use supplements to ensure that nothing is missing in her diet and with whole food supplements there is no danger of too many chemical vitamins. Also the protein sources are rotated in both the dry and canned foods.

Everything she eats I decided on from careful research, including talking to someone at the manufacturer, if needed.
With so much supplementation, how do you ensure she does not get too much of any particular vitamin or mineral?
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We were at Costco today and they were promoting Dogswell Vitality Dog Kibble - chicken and oats. The funny thing was my husband asked jokingly if they had a sample and the man actually pointed to these 1-lb bags(!) which were samples. Now, that is one large sample! I was expecting the little paper cup with 5 pieces of kibble to take home to give to Audrey.
Anyway, she really likes it. But, of course, she loves all food. The main ingredient is chicken meat from chicken without added steroids or added hormones. Not sure what they mean by 'added' - is this considered organic or just a way to make it sound good? No wheat, soy or corn, no ethoxyquin, no processed gluten, no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives added and no BHA/BHT.
I just saw the rating on this thread where you start with 100 and deduct and it appears that this brand is pretty good.
Any other people with experience with this brand? It's obviously promoting a higher quality product than, perhaps, their previous kibble.

We usually use Professional which is comparable to California Natural. But I was just curious about this since I have this sample bag.

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