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post #26 of 75 (permalink) Old 03-28-2007, 05:21 PM
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I asked my vet yesterday while we were there about the heat cycle before you spay and she said they they don't need a heat cycle. Forgot to ask about the dripping. Maybe on our next visit which maybe be sooner than later for the hiney issue
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I do plan on spaying my girl; I'm not sure what age.

I have no experience, but have read that sex hormones are responsible for giving the "stop growing" signal and without thoes your dog could end up being taller. According to the article, this will only occur in a small percentage of dogs. The majority of the time they will end up the same.

I do think that it lowers the risk of some cancers.

I have no personal experience so I don't know with benefits the most.

For a pet, I see only pros to getting one neutered/spayed unless you want puppies.
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Isabelle drips - It is controllable with meds though - we have a water proof cover on the mattress. Have woken up many nights to a big wet spot. Can't get mad - it's not her fault. If I only knew then what I know now. . . I would have waited to spay her. Well you live & learn. She also had chronic bladder infections as a puppy. Have no idea if the two are related or not. She's on phenopropoline (sp?) and since then she only drips if she was under a lot of stress so I increase her dose (she's not on the max by a long shot) like after vet appts. We also make sure no water after about 8:30pm and that she pees before we go to bed.
Spayed at either 6 or 7 months (can't remember it was a long time ago )
My first bitch went through two heats before she was spayed and she dripped all the time so I don't think that going through a season will change that. However, what I have read is that IF you wait till after a heat to spay then it is best to spay while they are about 1/2 way inbetween seasons. There is a reason for this that has to do with hormones but I am entirely too lazy today to go look it up!

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[QUOTE=velmadobe;53553]My first bitch went through two heats before she was spayed and she dripped all the time so I don't think that going through a season will change that. QUOTE]

I've lived with spayed bitches most of my life, almost all of whom were spayed prior to the first heat. I've only had one with spayed bitch incontinence, and she was spayed as a mature adult. She was a rescue, so we don't know her exact age, but I'd say she was 3-4 years old before she was spayed.



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My first bitch went through two heats before she was spayed and she dripped all the time so I don't think that going through a season will change that. QUOTE]

I've lived with spayed bitches most of my life, almost all of whom were spayed prior to the first heat. I've only had one with spayed bitch incontinence, and she was spayed as a mature adult. She was a rescue, so we don't know her exact age, but I'd say she was 3-4 years old before she was spayed.
Exactly! My Velma has been spayed for almost 2 years now and does not drip - she was 2 1/2 when spayed, and I did spay her at the 1/2 way point between two seasons. My first Doberman had two heats - she was spayed right at her 2nd heat and she dripped like crazy - Proin did keep it under control successfully. It really seems to be a crap shoot with the dripping, but I do know that I will stick to spaying 1/2 way between seasons and hope for the best.

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I don't think any of it has been proven. Some people say if you spay a bitch before her first heat, she has a dramatically lower chance of mammary cancer than if you wait until after her first heat. Other people say that isn't so.

I don't know the truth of that, but I do know that waiting until after a first heat is absolutely no guarantee of the bitch not developing urinary incontinence. I have done that twice, once on a rescue bitch who was spayed while she was pregnant, and the other time with a 9 year old bitch, and both of them developed "drip, drip, drip". I know of many other Dobermans who were spayed after their first heat who also develope urinary incontinence. Dobermans are one of the breeds that is prone to this. In some breeds this hardly ever happens.

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There is no need to wait until after the first heat to spay a dog.

This has been proven to be incorrect from my understanding. If you spay early then certain abdominal muscles do not fully develop and strengthen. As the dog gets older they have a higher chance of urinary incontenance. Been there done that, it is not pretty, nor is it always controllable.

Personally I would rather deal with a couple of heats then years of...drip...drip...drip...drip...drip..."
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I too have heard it's a breed thing. We've had a number of other breeds -spayed females all before first heat cycle and no dripping.
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Do you plan on neutering/spaying your Doberman? What age are you planning on doing this? If you already did this, what age were they when you did this?
Yes, I plan on neutering Red when he is around 12 months old.

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Do you think spaying/neutering at an early age impacts their growth due to missing hormonal changes? Slower to fully mature physically?
Yes, I do think early spay/neuter impacts growth. I did a lot of research about this, primarily on VIN, when I was deciding when to have Red neutered.

Basically, early spay/neuter causes delayed closing of the physeal plates (growth plates), causing the long bones to grow longer, thereby producing a taller (and thinner) animal. Sex hormones promote the closure of the growth plates, so the bones of dogs or bitches neutered or spayed before puberty continue to grow. Dogs that have been spayed or neutered well before puberty can frequently be identified by their longer limbs, lighter bone structure, narrow chests and narrow skulls. By allowing the physeal plates to close at the natural rate before spaying/neutering, you will achieve a more filled-out dog, rather then a taller, weedy dog. This is especially noticeable in large to giant breed dogs. Physeal plate closure occurs anywhere from 10-18 months, depending on the breed. Dobes are usually around 12 months.

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Do you think having this done, prevents certain risks of cancer.
Yes, spaying before first estrus cycle reduces the risk of mammary cancer by around 99%. And studies demonstrate that dogs that were neutered before a year of age had a significantly increased chance of developing osteosarcoma (bone cancer).

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What gender benefits more, male or female?
Probably female, imo. Mammary cancer is very common in late spayed animals - more common, I think, than osteosarcoma in early neutered animals.

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What are the Pros & Cons do you see for spaying/neutering?
Any animal that is not of showing/breeding quality should be spayed/neutered, imo. There is no reason not to.

Pros of early spay include greatly decreased risk of mammary cancer, and spaying (at any age) reduces the potential for unwanted/unplanned litters. Cons of early spaying include a taller, weedier animal, and cons of late spay include greatly increased risk of mammary cancer later in life.

Pros of early neuter include possibly decreased incidence for marking behavior, and cons of early neutering include a taller, weedier animal, as well as increased risk of osteosarcoma. Pros of late neuter include a more masculine, filled-out, and heavier animal, and cons include more risk of developing marking behaviors and the hormonal instinct to roam (putting dogs at risk for getting lost or hit by car, etc).



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I just got my pup: here he is at 10 weeks. He's currently 11, but will be 12 on Thursday.

I'm thinking since his dad was huge, I will neuter him at around 6 months. I don't want him peeing all over the place. Also, I can't imagine fighting to control him should a female in heat come around! I've had dog bites happen to my family members from males chasing females in heat.

I guess I'll take the chance he'll be skinny. :O) Hopefully, with a good diet and plenty of exercise, he'll be a healthy boy and not develop cancer.
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I just got my pup: here he is at 10 weeks. He's currently 11, but will be 12 on Thursday.

I'm thinking since his dad was huge, I will neuter him at around 6 months. I don't want him peeing all over the place. Also, I can't imagine fighting to control him should a female in heat come around! I've had dog bites happen to my family members from males chasing females in heat.

I guess I'll take the chance he'll be skinny. :O) Hopefully, with a good diet and plenty of exercise, he'll be a healthy boy and not develop cancer.
He is adorable! I had a wolf dog named Khan.

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Your boy's cute as pie! At least I have an idea what my boy will grow up to be. )
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There are a lot of Red Male Pups on here right now!!! All BIG guys with HUGE feet!

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I know--I love it!! It's great to see. But, my poor boy's so skinny compared to some of the other boys....
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I know--I love it!! It's great to see. But, my poor boy's so skinny compared to some of the other boys....
Cause he's growing too quickly to put any weight on....believe me....he will put that muscle mass on soon, and it almost seems like it is happening right before your eyes, they grow that much each week! Petey is one mass of muscle now at 8 months...not a drop of anything soft on him!

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Thanks for the reassurance--as an anxious, obsessive mom: I need it!! ) Thanks again.
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I'm gonna wait until Rock is at least a year old. My breeder requested that I wait until then. She stressed that waiting longer helps them develop more muscle and bone mass.
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Do you plan on neutering/spaying your Doberman? What age are you planning on doing this? If you already did this, what age were they when you did this?

I neutered Seth at 7 or 8 months of age.


Do you think spaying/neutering at an early age impacts their growth due to missing hormonal changes? Slower to fully mature physically?

From experience in showing and occasionally breeding Great Danes, I can say that neutering a Dane early does impact their growth as far as bone density and filling out. Most Danes neutered early do grow tall, but are lanky and very rarely ever fill out. I am assuming this is from the reduced amount of testosterone flowing through their bodies.

I watched my friend's Dobermans grow up. They neutered their male at five months of age, and he grew but was also lanky as well. I neutered Seth at a few months later in age, and he filled out a bit more than Cash did. Seth isn't as filled out as an older Doberman would be, but in a few more years I can fully develop an opinion on him about this.


Do you think having this done, prevents certain risks of cancer.

For dogs, it reduces the chances of prostate cancer since the prostate itself isn't removed. It does prevent testicular cancer because the testicles are removed.

For bitches, it does prevent uterine and ovarian cancers and cysts because they're removed. There is a chance of problems with the remaining "stump" of the reproductive organs though. And since the mammary tissues are still present, cancers can still develop. However, it has been proven that a bitch spayed before her first heat cycle has a lessened chance of developing cancers in the mammary tissues than a bitch who has experienced just one heat cycle.


What gender benefits more, male or female?

I personally feel that dogs benefit more than bitches do from being altered.


What are the Pros & Cons do you see for spaying/neutering?

Neutering Pros:

Reduced aggression tendencies
Reduced desire to roam
Reduced chance of prostate cancer
No chance of Testicular cancer
Less desire to mark territory if neutered at an early age
Possibly eliminate/reduce humping of random objects and living creatures

Neutering Cons:

Possible infection of surgical site and tied tubes
Males tend to end up lanky if neutered at an early age
*Some* men refuse to do it for ridiculous reasons

Spaying Pros:

No heat cycles/no mess every 6 months or so!
No unwanted pregnancies
No uterine or ovarian cancer
No stray dogs wondering on property
No fights within your home by your males
No pyometra
Reduced chance of mammary cancers if spayed early

Spaying Cons:

Death due to anesthesia
Infection at surgical site which can lead to other problems
Incontinence at an older age, possibly at younger ages too
"Stump" infections


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I feel that weight gain isn't due to removing the reproductive organs. I feel that if a dog or bitch is not going to benefit the breed by reproducing, it should be altered asap. I say this because there are some excellent dogs produced by ethical breeders who cannot finish their Championship titles for whatever reason, but have produced champions. Genetic testing (among other tests) is very important for all animals.

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We didnt get Nick until February 4, 2009. But he is now neutered and doing well. If i had had him much earlier, he would have been neutered between 6-9 months. He already seems happier as a neutered boy.

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A recent thread made me thing about this issue further and needs to be discussed in more detail. I am providing a few links to some articles that have debated on other forums and would like to get every ones opinion on this subject.

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Endogenous gonadal hormone exposure and bone sarco...[Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002] - PubMed Result
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  • Do you plan on neutering/spaying your Doberman? What age are you planning on doing this? If you already did this, what age were they when you did this?
  • Do you think spaying/neutering at an early age impacts their growth due to missing hormonal changes? Slower to fully mature physically?
  • Do you think having this done, prevents certain risks of cancer.
  • What gender benefits more, male or female?
  • What are the Pros & Cons do you see for spaying/neutering?
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With regard to spaying and neutering our dobies or any other pet for that matter, i can say this from 25 years of experience. The one shelter i worked for in my 20's took in 22,000 animals per year. We did spay and neuter at the time but didnt do puppies until they were 6 months old.
Now the same shelter spays and neuters all animals before they leave the shelter. This same shelter puts down 400-800 animals per month. That is one shelter among many in just the state of Alabama alone. I network with alot of shelters because i am involved with basset hound rescue.
I also am an animal control officer and see vets who also put down unwanted animals. The state of unwanted animals is horrific.
Health wise, i can't comment as all my pets are spayed and neutered and i have never had any health issues as a result of that.
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well my shyla was a rescue and was already spayed/ My min pin Ryland had (brain surgery LOL) around 10 months, he is a very filled out, beefy, looking min pin. and revan we will have his brain surgery past 6 months, i want to give him the time to pack on that needed muscle and bon mass. - UNLESS he starts showing any signs of aggression towards the other dogs or starts humping...
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I've done a ton of research on this and most suggest that it is best to spay/neuter after 15-20 months (male). This is because of the impact neutering can have on the hormone levels.

IMHO, I would prefer not to neuter my dog- unless it becomes a problem. I have no intentions of breeding but I do not want to take anything away from a animal unless health is at risk. I've been coming across many breeders who require this at a early age and it is something I do not agree with.

This is a very tough topic and I fully understand the risk and conerns that people have. I'm curious how many responsible owner have had their dogs neutered b/c of health/temperment issues on here.
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>>Do you plan on neutering/spaying your Doberman? >>

No I do not. I have in the past spayed and neutered and depending on the dog, situation and environment I would decide from there. I have had several intact males and females and usually at the same time. I have never had an unwanted litter, nor do I ever find strays on my property. As well my males have never impregnated any bitch either. Control and managment is not hard whatsoever.

As an aside, I can and do make both (the male and female) work thru it. In training I will train the female at the same time, or tie out the female while I work the male. As well Vice versa. One of the best excercises I find is a long stay with the boys on the other side of the girl in heat. It is not an insurmountable request to ask a boy to get over his hormones... some human men even manage to do it as well.

My husbands dog is a siberian husky, we always have one to make my life hell, and they are usually always neutered (always male). However our new one is a show prospect and will be kept intact. I am debating neutering him after he finishes, however he is a super nice dog (he tracks, his obedience is great and he should finishs super fast) so I may keep him intact.

>>Do you think spaying/neutering at an early age impacts their growth due to missing hormonal changes? Slower to fully mature physically?>>

Yes I do think it affect both mental and physical aspects of the dog.

>>Do you think having this done, prevents certain risks of cancer.>>

Well it is kinda hard for a part to get cancer if it is no longer in the body.

>>What gender benefits more, male or female?>>

I think there is more biological process that goes on with a female. So the effects could be more prevalent.

>>What are the Pros & Cons do you see for spaying/neutering?>>

The pro's I see are for humane convience, less hassle to deal with for the owners. I have spayed females in the past because the heat cycle is an inconvienence (altho quite frankly I have found that females work better while in estrus, more focused more driven). My huskies were neutered so they didn't clash with my dobes and our household would be harmoneous.

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I am suppossed to be gettin my boy maverick nutered here soon he is a worlock doberman and hes' around 33inches tall and over 110 pounds i didnt know that certian places wont nuter dogs over 50 pounds thats crazy!!!! do they relize how many dogs their are out their that are over 50 pounds :/ they rlly should change that
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We got our little guy nuetured at 4 months due to his size. The vet suggested that we do this in order to keep arragison and stress out of his life.

I found that it was harder on me then it was him. He slept for the first day he was back but the next was back to himself. However the vet told me not to let him get to active which i'm sure you know with a 4 month old little guy is WAY easier said then done. We felt it was important so that Jake could have the best quality of life because we have not intentions of finding him a mate.
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Let me preface my post by saying that I'm very glad this thread was started. It's very helpful to hear a range of opinions and knowledge shared in one place. Being that I don't have my puppy for about another month, it's great to be able to formulate an opinion based on other's experiences.

Do you plan on neutering/spaying your Doberman? What age are you planning on doing this? If you already did this, what age were they when you did this?
My breeder has told me her puppies make fine show dogs, this, that and the other. However, I have come to the decision to spay my dog after her first heat. To me this sounds smartest. Get some hormones and then be done with it. As exciting as the prospect of showing my dog or even raising a few litters’ sound, my sole purpose is to have a companion. If I hold myself to the same expectations I do for others, I think it would be irresponsible and down-right unpractical to not undergo the procedure. Even though the permanence scares me a little, the overall consensus seems to be, spay your dog if you don't plan to show or don't desire puppies. Would yall agree?

Do you think spaying/neutering at an early age impacts their growth due to missing hormonal changes? Slower to fully mature physically?
I believe it's only logical to think that there will be some differences between a dog that has not been spayed or neutered and one that has. I don't have the knowledge many others on this forum do but it has been my experience that the more hormones the dog gets the more he becomes wolf-like and less like a domesticated pet. Our dog Zeus seemed to change after he was fixed. We went two and a half years without having him neutered and one day he decided he’d jump the fence. Nothing manifested, that we’re aware of, but it sure gave us a scare and we decided to have it done. It wasn't a drastic change in demeanor but his overall attitude did somewhat change. I don't know whether he was coming out of his puppy phase or because of the absence of hormonal changes. He seemed much calmer and the need to constantly challenge seemed to taper off completely. Neuter related or not, I don't know for sure. The two definitely seemed to coincide, however.

Do you think having this done, prevents certain risks of cancer?
I haven't heard about cancer but I have heard that it increases the longevity of your dog.

What gender benefits more, male or female?
I would say this is completely dependant on what your desired goal is. If it's puppy prevention the female most likely will benefit- actually, puppies aside, I mostly hear about the benefits of spaying female dogs. The most I've heard about neutering is for reasons like the one I cited with Zeus two questions above.

What are the Pros & Cons do you see for spaying/neutering?
I truly believe that if you created a list of pros and cons, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things (this isn’t to say lists aren’t totally unhelpful). To me, even if you only have a few pros and a cons a mile long, your overall goals/desires are/should be the final trump. If you have line-by-line of cons but you want to show your dog no matter what, that single pro can trump all of it.... To me it matters more what the "overall" expectation/goal of the dog is. Showing was a big deal to me at first (as a kid that's the only "dog" thing I saw on TV). However, once I discovered obedience challenges, I quickly realized there’s still competition and activity afforded with a spayed dog. After that, the choice was easy. I truly think the greatest factor is what’s best for you, your lifestyle and what's in the best interest of the dog.



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