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When we originally got his hypothyroid diagnosed, he was also 'diagnosed' with a severe yeast infection. Four courses of antibiotics later, he was fine. The main antibiotic that helped him was Ketoconazole (also the most expensive at $100 for 20 days worth). He also has a keto yeast killing shampoo that I was supposed to use twice a week.

With the allergy season kicking in, I think he once again has a yeast infection. He has the 'smell' that he used to, and I've been giving him his baths, but I'm currently trying to boost his immune system back up after taking so many meds for the past 4 months. I think his immune system has been damaged pretty badly which is resulting in his skin having a hard time 'recovering' persay.

He has a thyroid re-check/re-fill on rx next week, so I will obviously be talking to my vet again, but I'm wondering if there are any alternatives to antibiotics that I can try to control the yeast? He's now been infected 3 times since december... I'm thinking the thyroid is what is causing them to be reccurrent, however, the last time I was at the vet he was only .1 away from the normal range, and we just upped his dose I believe..

Anyone dealt with yeast infections?
 

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Are you giving probiotics with the antibiotics? If not, your antibiotics could make a yeast problem worse.

IIUC, you (and dogs) have good yeast and good bacteria in balance in the digestive system and if you overdo antibiotics you can kill off too much of the good bacteria along with the infection you were trying to cure. Lack of bacteria can cause the yeast to "take over."

If you think this is a recurring yeast problem, you might want to consider adding plain yogurt to his diet or giving him a probiotics supplement, especially when he's on antibiotics.

The Great Dane Lady has a nice writeup, though it gets a little too product-selling at the bottom for my taste. AFAIK, the first couple of sections are pretty accurate though.
Allergy or Systemic Yeast Infection in Dogs | Allergies Malassezia Fungus Candida | GREATDANELADY.COM
 
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I probably should have added he was on the yogurt while on antibiotics as per the vet's recommendation, and now he is just on probiotic pills.

Thank you for the link!
 

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We used a board certified endocrinologist when I had Sam's thyroid tested. Sam was borderline hypo. The specialist said levels tend to drop as a dog ages. They also said that larger dogs, like Dobermans, should be in the upper range in the values.
 

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Random thoughts:

You put the word "diagnosed" in quotation marks, and I am wondering why... how, exactly, was this diagnosed?

Your cost for the Ketoconizole was actually pretty low... what dosage was he on? What were the other meds, at what dosages and for what length of time?

Fungal and bacterial infections are not the same. If there were antibiotics prescribed as well as the anti-fungal, then I am guessing that there was/is concurrent bacterial infection... yes?

My first guess is that your dog has had a single infection... either fungal or bacterial or both... which has not been treated adequately. Both yeast and bacterial infections can take a considerable length of time to eradicate (many weeks or a few months). I seriously doubt that your dog has had three infections since December... it is far more likely that he has had a single infection which has shown improvement with medication as the yeast and/or bacterial population has been reduced, then the meds are stopped and the infective organisms begin to recover and the original infection reestablishes itself.

While inappropriate grains do not exactly cause a fungal or bacterial infection, there seems to be a correlation between the consumption of corn and wheat (and sometimes other items) and the development of infections like this. What are you feeding, including treats and extras?
 

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He is on a grain free diet, and has been since last September. He is currently on EVO's fish formula. Diagnosed in question marks because I do not remember what was done to determine if it was a yeast infection or something else.

I have a terrible memory for specifics so unfortunately cannot remember the actual dosages, and the other antibiotic I remember him being on was Keplhex (sp?), which caused an allergic reaction and was obviously discontinued. There were two other antibiotics that were started in December by a different vet, and I can not remember the name.

I do remember the vet saying one of the pills was an antifungal. She did say the second time that he needed to continue the keto because the yeast had been reduced, but not cured completely, and after the second round of keto, she said I did not need to give another round.

He has been on 1mg of Soloxine for a couple months now, before he was on 0.8mg and he was also on prednisone starting at 20mg in January and tapered after the second week. He was put back on prednisone, and now he has been completely off it for 3 weeks about.


ETA: The only treats he ever gets is EVO fish treats, sardines, and occasionally beef hot dogs.
 

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The only thing at times that seems to keep Parker from being in a similar place as your dog is sardines. Sardines are loaded with skin health building DHA/EPA and other nutrients. You will defeat yeast by fighting from within your dog's body with nutrition. The meds, especially cortisone, destroy your dog's immune system. I give Parker 1/2 can sardines, canned in water, drained and rinsed, before his morning meal and the other half before evening meal. Giving before meals stops fishy breath. Give plain Greek yogurt as it has 5 probiotic vs the 2 of regular yogurt. I would give thru summer if he has enviormental allergies. Otherwise, reduce to a maintenance amount. That is all I can think of now foodwise. Give those baths as they are very important! After soap is well rinsed out, rinse with a solution of one cup vinegar in one gallon of water and dont rinse this off. The vinegar rinse makes the skin inhospitable to yeast and bacteria. Good luck and I feel for you. That is a good dog food to provide nutrition.
 

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I did start the sardines again this week with 1/2 can morning and night, so hopefully that'll help some..... I will definitely try replacing the probios/normal yogurt with greek yogurt! Thanks! I also use the apple cider vinegar like you suggested because it helps keep bugs off and he doesn't itch as much on his problem areas with the ACV.
 

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Organic Virgin coconut oil was what I couldnt come up with. Coconut oil has a different type fat than sardines contain, so both can be given. Coconut oil's medium chain fatty acids kill harmful bacteria, viruses, yeast, fungi, and parasites when given orally. The recommended maintemance dose is 1 teaspoon virgin coconut oil per 10 lbs bodyweight per day in divided doses, starting with small amounts and increasing gradually. Surely between both of these your dog will have the best, healthiest skin and coat ever. I keep meaning to get Parkes some but forget. I am betting we could cut down some on the sardines with the addition of the organic virgin coconut oil.
 

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Have your vet swab his ears and check for yeast. My hypothyroid blue constantly fought yeast infections in his ears. I used an ear treatment from my vet with gynalotrium in it to kill the yeast. If he has it there and does not get it cleared up, you will continue to fight it.
 

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LuvmyDobes, I did not even consider that possibility... I will have her swab his ears for sure! Because his previous home did say he had many ear infections (although they only treated him once for it it 2 years :/ )

Linda, I will start the coconut oil as well. I was debating doing this for awhile, but might as well try it
 

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You know, Parker has yeasty ears, as that goes along with allergies. I clean his ears with a half water/half ACV solution and it kills the yeast. You can pour(about an eyedropper full) or spray some in each ear, massage at the bases, let them shake excess out and then swab out the ears. I do it on a as needed schedule. Really should do it weekly.
 

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Organic Virgin coconut oil was what I couldnt come up with. Coconut oil has a different type fat than sardines contain, so both can be given. Coconut oil's medium chain fatty acids kill harmful bacteria, viruses, yeast, fungi, and parasites when given orally. The recommended maintemance dose is 1 teaspoon virgin coconut oil per 10 lbs bodyweight per day in divided doses, starting with small amounts and increasing gradually. Surely between both of these your dog will have the best, healthiest skin and coat ever. I keep meaning to get Parkes some but forget. I am betting we could cut down some on the sardines with the addition of the organic virgin coconut oil.
I am having sucess with the coconut/probiotic max combination for J.R., he really seems happy for the first time in a long time,he is not chewing on his self and the coconut oil works really good on wounds.
 
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Ok, I went to the Health Food Store yesterday and picked up some cold pressed extra virgin coconut oil, 32 oz for $15.99+tax. Started with little more than 2 teaspoons. Excited about this addition to Parkers diet!!! Motomutt, what does your boy weigh and how much EVCO do you maintain him on? Figured the 32 oz would last him 24 days at 8 teaspoons a day, when I get to the full dose.
 

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Ok, I went to the Health Food Store yesterday and picked up some cold pressed extra virgin coconut oil, 32 oz for $15.99+tax. Started with little more than 2 teaspoons. Excited about this addition to Parkers diet!!! Motomutt, what does your boy weigh and how much EVCO do you maintain him on? Figured the 32 oz would last him 24 days at 8 teaspoons a day, when I get to the full dose.

Sorry Linda I have not been online for the last several days, but to answer your question he is a very muscular (not fat) 94 pounds. I first started out giving the coconut oil during both meals but then reduced down to once in the morning after two weeks. I started giving 2 teaspoons with each meal, when I went to just giving once a day I would give a little under two tablespoons.

Direction on the cocunut oil I use states
suggested usage: one teaspoon for each 15 pounds of body weight mixed in with daily food. One Tablespoon for 45 to 50 pounds of body weight.

I am not sure if the suggest serving would be different with extra virgin is any different. I now at nature's farmacy the virgin was a lot more $$
virgin coconut oil $34.95 for 1 lb.
organic coconut oil $14.95 for 1lb. (this is the one that I use)
 
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Thanks for answering my question.:) Also caused me to realize I made a mistake in the size jar I bought. The jar was 16 oz not 32. I was calculating how many tablespoons the jar contained and accidently posted the amount of TBS instead of OZ. Sorry, everyone. Motmutt, I am thinking where you are buying is too high, tho. I just got the human stuff at a health food store. If you are buying product that is for dogs, I bet they have jacked up the price. I just found some on Amazon, 16 oz, for 8.97. Think it was organic virgin, too.
 
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