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I would say no. I mean think of the adult dogs that come into rescues, those people do amazing work in getting the dogs back on the right track. He may never be all smiles and wiggles when other people/dogs come around but I'm sure you can teach him to divert his attention to you and at least behave when others are around.
Petri, our chihuahua mix, for the most part was a nightmare when other people came around. I mean he is the stereotypical awful yappy ankle biter that we all hate. He was an adult when we got him and when he was about the age that King is now I got tired of having to chase him to his kennel just to answer the door for pizza or whatever. So I started "staging" visitors. I kept him on leash and worked on keeping his attention on me when the visitor was over (I used people he knew and was relatively comfortable around at first). He's gotten alot better (still not perfect but it's not like he's a Dobe or anything :). When the doorbell rings he'll still bark one or two times but he runs right to me rather than attacking the door.
On walks now instead of just going berserk when we see another dog or person, he'll jump on my leg and look for a treat - which he gets :) He still won't have anything to do with meeting and socializing with new people but at least he's not trying to eat their ankles :)
Having said that I realize there is a HUGE difference between training and handling a 10 pound Chi-mix and an adult Dobe :)
 

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It's not too late to try. Whether it will succeed and how much is up to a lot of variables. Without knowing exactly how you raised him it's impossible to say. Some of his problem might be inherited, some might be the way he was raised.

For instance, my first puppy was a female GSD who I got from a "free to good home" newspaper ad. When I went to look at the litter, this puppy hid in the bushes for about five minutes after the other puppies came over to play with me. I picked her, of course. :) On the ride home she hid under the car seat. And etc. I realized she was quite shy. I took her literally everywhere with me, even into a bank, where she sat on my lap while I opened an account. My car almost never left the driveway without her in it with me.

She was about 8 weeks old when I started this, and it worked. She became very sociable, never met a person she didn't like, thought the world was her oyster. But she was still a spooky dog who could be thrown off stride by strange situations. If I hadn't taken her everywhere to socialize her as a little puppy, she would probably have been sharp.shy, IOW a fear biter.

As puppis get older, they get less easy to imprint in this way. But done right, if the dog has a decent character, you can make some improvement.

I think it would be best to find a good trainer or behaviorist to help you, and I stress the word "good", because a poor one will just make matters worse.
 

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He has been shy since the day i got him. EXACTLY like TracyJo's dog. Id have to say, although id hate to admit it, it is my fault that he is the way he is. When he gets the way he is, i get frustrated and he feeds off of that. I always tried to be the "alpha" male by being firm. When i talked to a behaviorist, the guys said that what i was doing was encouraging his behavior rather than curbing it. Ive been reading the clicker training method and i really like it. So im starting to train him with that right now. Me and king did our first session yesterday while we were alone.

See, he is and has always been fearful, he just seems to be getting agressive because of it. Also, he seems to be showing agression for no reason as well. Both his parents act just like him(yes, i know, that should have been a sign) but i thought i could raise him to be a good example. Obviously i didnt have the experience to do that. Im learning just as much as king is, and im trying to curb my anger along with his. I just hate not being able to trust him with anyone other than people he knows.

any suggestions on sites that can help with this kind of dog?
 

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I don't think you need websites. I think you need a real, in-person trainer or behaviorist. It sounds like the one you talked to before might have been on the right track.
 

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I agree with what others have said -- get him to a trainer as soon as you can. I'd find a good training facility or club and contact them. I'd reccomend trying to find a positive-based trainer since you're interested in clicker (i love clicker). Have them meet him and see what they think. If he is absolutely horrible with other dogs, maybe get him into some privates first so he can learn what it's all about. But classes would definitely be a good, controlled way to gradually build his confidence while socializing him.
 

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is my dog bad?

I tried to socialize him

he gives this deep bark at other animals but when he gets in their face he either licks it or sniffs or tries to play, or barks, only time he shows any aggression besidesthe whole food thing with my dogs is when another dog is being vicious an dall he does is stand tall
 

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Its not the dog agression that bothers me really because its not hard to keep him out of that situation. Its the agression towards people he doesnt know. I have talked to a behaviorist twice, and he helped a lot. It sooooo expenive :cry:
i guess once the allergy problem is solved, ill have to get him into a different specialist.
 

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Hey Tom, I've spent the better part of today browsing this site... Maybe you can get some ideas from it...
http://k9deb.com/index.htm

She stresses on the home page that training at home and her information in no way replaces or even comes close to professional help and classes. But when you're on a budget you have to do the best with what you've got....
 

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TracyJo said:
Hey Tom, I've spent the better part of today browsing this site... Maybe you can get some ideas from it...
http://k9deb.com/index.htm

She stresses on the home page that training at home and her information in no way replaces or even comes close to professional help and classes. But when you're on a budget you have to do the best with what you've got....
thanks a bunch, i appreciate it.
 

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Never too late to try to help him, key is be very WATCHFUL and never get in a situation you have a bad feeling about, as I'm sure you know.
 

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Gunner said:
is my dog bad?

I tried to socialize him

he gives this deep bark at other animals but when he gets in their face he either licks it or sniffs or tries to play, or barks, only time he shows any aggression besidesthe whole food thing with my dogs is when another dog is being vicious an dall he does is stand tall

well... i wouldnt say he is bad... i would say he needs some training and more socializing to get over that... so he doesnt do it anymore... tasneem wont bark unless she hears barks and if a dog is standing in front of her they sniff to much or look ackward she will let out a low growl... it isnt aggression she is saying stop... and she does need some obedience to help her get thru this...

so i would suggest hun getting some obedience courses. :D hugs gunner
 

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Its not the dog agression that bothers me really because its not hard to keep him out of that situation. Its the agression towards people he doesnt know. I have talked to a behaviorist twice, and he helped a lot. It sooooo expenive :cry:
i guess once the allergy problem is solved, ill have to get him into a different specialist.
What I would do is find a class. Go and watch the class (they do allow this) to see if you like how the trainer works. Explain to the trainer the problems you are having and see if she/he thinks it would be ok to have King in a class. A controlled enviroment like a class can teach you both alot. Classes won't be as expensive as a behavorist.
 

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What I would do is find a class. Go and watch the class (they do allow this) to see if you like how the trainer works. Explain to the trainer the problems you are having and see if she/he thinks it would be ok to have King in a class. A controlled enviroment like a class can teach you both alot. Classes won't be as expensive as a behavorist.
i think that is the route im going to take for now. Once i can afford to see a behaviorist again i will get that done...if the classes done solve the problem
 

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I think you might be able to do alot of work with him taking classes. He is neutered, so that is in your favor. He will be able to focus more on you because of that. Just remember to ask questions and work on his problems out of the class as well. Wishing you luck!
 

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Tom -
I have a GSD who I "rescued" as a young dog from a very abusive situation (mostly at the hands of small children, no less). She went thru stages from borderline shy to outright terrifed, and showed a lot of fear based aggression. I went back to the basics with her. For a while I abandoned socialization, focused her entirely on me until we had immediate response to commands EVERY time, then added diversions. (positive reinforcement, not forced training) Then went back to socialization exercises. She's almost 9 now, still doesn't like strange people around, but she knows if she just concentrates on me, she'll be fine. If someone comes too close, she's allowed to growl at them, but then she looks to me to rectify the situation. That took a LOT of work, but she's a much happier dog now.
But (please don't take offense at this, just what I've told my students for years) you may (notice I said MAY) need to work on yourself as much as your dog. Dogs read their owner's every move and, sometimes it seems, their every thought. You may be unconsciously supporting your dog's fear/aggression.
In my experience, if you can get a shy/fearful dog to look to you for its next move, you've won the battle. That takes a ton of confidence building work, obedience work and trust, but it can be done.
Good luck!
 

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Tom -
I have a GSD who I "rescued" as a young dog from a very abusive situation (mostly at the hands of small children, no less). She went thru stages from borderline shy to outright terrifed, and showed a lot of fear based aggression. I went back to the basics with her. For a while I abandoned socialization, focused her entirely on me until we had immediate response to commands EVERY time, then added diversions. (positive reinforcement, not forced training) Then went back to socialization exercises. She's almost 9 now, still doesn't like strange people around, but she knows if she just concentrates on me, she'll be fine. If someone comes too close, she's allowed to growl at them, but then she looks to me to rectify the situation. That took a LOT of work, but she's a much happier dog now.
But (please don't take offense at this, just what I've told my students for years) you may (notice I said MAY) need to work on yourself as much as your dog. Dogs read their owner's every move and, sometimes it seems, their every thought. You may be unconsciously supporting your dog's fear/aggression.
In my experience, if you can get a shy/fearful dog to look to you for its next move, you've won the battle. That takes a ton of confidence building work, obedience work and trust, but it can be done.
Good luck!

Excellant post shadeslane!!! Great advice, Especially the very last part!
 

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Thanks Jessie. I hate it when I see a dog who's shy/fear aggressive, either from poor breeding or abuse, but is a great feeling when you work with one and watch it "come out". They just seem SO much happier.
BTW - been meaning to tell you - Lexus is gorgeous - such a noble looking dobe. And King looks like such a sweetie! Cant wait to get time to check out all the pix. I did finally post a couple photos of my male in the gallery.
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Tom -
I have a GSD who I "rescued" as a young dog from a very abusive situation (mostly at the hands of small children, no less). She went thru stages from borderline shy to outright terrifed, and showed a lot of fear based aggression. I went back to the basics with her. For a while I abandoned socialization, focused her entirely on me until we had immediate response to commands EVERY time, then added diversions. (positive reinforcement, not forced training) Then went back to socialization exercises. She's almost 9 now, still doesn't like strange people around, but she knows if she just concentrates on me, she'll be fine. If someone comes too close, she's allowed to growl at them, but then she looks to me to rectify the situation. That took a LOT of work, but she's a much happier dog now.
But (please don't take offense at this, just what I've told my students for years) you may (notice I said MAY) need to work on yourself as much as your dog. Dogs read their owner's every move and, sometimes it seems, their every thought. You may be unconsciously supporting your dog's fear/aggression.
In my experience, if you can get a shy/fearful dog to look to you for its next move, you've won the battle. That takes a ton of confidence building work, obedience work and trust, but it can be done.
Good luck!
I agree 100%. kign IS where is he because of me. I am a naturally agressive person due to how i was brought up. I have to get that under control. Honestly, i wish i had never gotten him. Not because i dont love him, because i love him with all my heart, not because i hate, because i dont, but because i am not a good dog owner and he would have been better off with someone who isnt so agressive. This is tearing me up inside. I am seriously tearing up right now thinking about it. All i can do it try to help him while helping me.
 
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