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My vet says to prevent breast cancer he recommends spaying before the first heat.. the breeder says two years old is the best time.. what are your opinions on this... our first dobie we spayed early but she passed away at age 8 from cancer throughout her body.. the second dobie we did not spay at all and had breast cancer and passed away age 8 .. now this puppy is 6.5 months.. and i have to decide what to do.. thanks for any info you can offer..
 

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I was always under the impression you are meant to wait until they have their first heat then get it done. At least that is how its done in the UK but if your breeder has given you advice theirs is probably the best to follow. I know a vet deals with animals but lets face it, this is like going to your local doctor for a specialised issue, when they only know a little of everything instead of having sound knowledge of one area.
 

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I personally think it is a crap shoot when it comes to spaying in regards to cancer. My first girl I spayed at about 5 months old and she was riddled with cancer , but she did make it to about 13 yrs old. Now , my current girl I didnt fix until after her first heat, so we shall see. She is only 3 yrs old now.
 

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thanks for all your replys...The vet said that it is zero breast cancer if done before the first heat... after that it is the same chance as in any dogs... and i asked him about having puppies would it help that she was bred once .. he said in humans yes.. in dogs no.. what do you think of this.. i only have a short time before her first heat cycle so just asking... before i decide ... is it all just a crap shoot or is there some solid factoral information..
 

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There are benefits and risks with earlier spaying as well as later spaying. Please do not breed your girl. If you don't feel that you can handle a heat cycle (and there's nothing wrong with that), please spay her before her first heat. My personal preference, based on what I felt I could handle as an owner as well as an honest look at risks and benefits was to spay prior to first heat. You will get lots of people weighing in on both sides, as this is a controversial topic.
 

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I think there are risks and benefits both for spaying before a heat cycle and waiting for them to have a cycle. You just have to weigh the pro's and con's and go with what you feel most comfortable doing.

I've never heard of any benefits to breeding them before a spay though, and honestly, even if there were benefits I'd spay my dogs anyway. There are too many dogs without homes and being killed in shelters for every one to breed their dogs even just once. Also, if you're uncomfortable with the idea of dealing with a heat cycle, there is no way in hell you'd be prepared to whelp and raise a litter. Not to mention all that goes into trying to find them good homes and all the good breeder support needed, like taking back any dogs whose owners may not be able to keep them. All that lasts far longer than a heat cycle and is full of way more stress and heartache.

Fiona and Tali were both spayed around 7-months. Tali was spayed before I got her but I made the decision to spay Fiona at that age and I still feel like it was the right one.
 

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For females regardless of breed, I would spay before first heat.

1. I've seen many ugly and near fatal cases of pyometra with rescue/shelter dogs that were never spayed prior to being saved.
2. Also seen dogs with bad cases of cancer in their teets due to not being spayed and bred again and again.
3. I don't like dealing with the bleeding.

Just my personal preference. Everyone has an opinion.
 

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My vet always suggest spaying before their first heat cycle. He always mentions breast cancer as the reason for doing this. I have had 3 girls and I spayed early around 6 months.
 

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i have no intentions of breeding unless the breeder determined she was worthy and high enough quality for breeding in her later years.. but i doubt i would go this route even if she is the best of the best, that was just a question i had to determine how we come about with facts about spaying.. as far as being responcible for a dog that is not spayed.. i have no worries there either.. a few of my dogs.. dobie, pomerian and a collie were not spayed.. and not ever in any danger of becoming a victim with unwanted puppies.. my dogs are never out without supervision.. my only concern is not going through breast cancer again.. if possible.. i just want to know health wise for my puppys future what my choices are to her being able to reach old age........ i am doing all the home cooking.. i give vitamins.. i question shots and vaccinations now.. and i question preventive mosquito heart wormer.. i just don't want to be the way i was before and accept everything without really looking into the depth of the issue.. so all information is so helpful.. please try to inform why you made up your mind to go one route or the other.. what was the determining factor in your decision.......... thanks everyone..
 

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My vet always suggest spaying before their first heat cycle. He always mentions breast cancer as the reason for doing this. I have had 3 girls and I spayed early around 6 months.
So far no breast cancer.. that what i want to hear.. my vet said it is 100% certain if i spay her she won't have breast cancer.. if this is true.. this is what i will do.. i will do anything to avoid this ...
 

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Do they gain weight like the male does after they are spayed.. ? how long is recovery.. how risky is the operation for a dobie..? thanks
 

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I think there are risks and benefits both for spaying before a heat cycle and waiting for them to have a cycle. You just have to weigh the pro's and con's and go with what you feel most comfortable doing.

I've never heard of any benefits to breeding them before a spay though, and honestly, even if there were benefits I'd spay my dogs anyway. There are too many dogs without homes and being killed in shelters for every one to breed their dogs even just once. Also, if you're uncomfortable with the idea of dealing with a heat cycle, there is no way in hell you'd be prepared to whelp and raise a litter. Not to mention all that goes into trying to find them good homes and all the good breeder support needed, like taking back any dogs whose owners may not be able to keep them. All that lasts far longer than a heat cycle and is full of way more stress and heartache.

Fiona and Tali were both spayed around 7-months. Tali was spayed before I got her but I made the decision to spay Fiona at that age and I still feel like it was the right one.
i am in agreement with you.. i have no problem though with a heat cycle.. my last dobie had a heat cycle for 8 years.. but she got breast cancer.. this is my only concern with spaying or not spaying.. nothing to do with breeding or not breeding.. i don't have any intention of breeding.. but i did hear wayyy back that it helps them avoid breast cancer if they have had a pregnancy.. i have no idea whether this is true or not so i mentioned it.. my vet said with humans yes.. dogs no...
 

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i have no intentions of breeding unless the breeder determined she was worthy and high enough quality for breeding in her later years.. but i doubt i would go this route even if she is the best of the best, that was just a question i had to determine how we come about with facts about spaying.. as far as being responcible for a dog that is not spayed.. i have no worries there either.. a few of my dogs.. dobie, pomerian and a collie were not spayed.. and not ever in any danger of becoming a victim with unwanted puppies.. my dogs are never out without supervision.. my only concern is not going through breast cancer again.. if possible.. i just want to know health wise for my puppys future what my choices are to her being able to reach old age........ i am doing all the home cooking.. i give vitamins.. i question shots and vaccinations now.. and i question preventive mosquito heart wormer.. i just don't want to be the way i was before and accept everything without really looking into the depth of the issue.. so all information is so helpful.. please try to inform why you made up your mind to go one route or the other.. what was the determining factor in your decision.......... thanks everyone..
There wasn't really one determining factor in spaying Fiona at 7-months. I read a lot on the health risks and benefits of when to spay. I discussed it a handful of times with her breeder and asked plenty of questions in seeking her thoughts and guidance.

Fiona was sold as a pet so the contract I signed for her stated she must be spayed by 1-year of age. It was my decision whether it be before or after a heat cycle and since most of my breeder's females (and I think most Dobes in general) have their first cycle around 9-months of age we had a rough idea of when she might have one if I wanted to wait. But when I decided to have her spayed before her first cycle I went ahead with it at 7-months to avoid getting too close to the first cycle which can complicate things if they've already started to come in season when they're spayed.

Ultimately, I just felt the health benefits outweighed the potential negatives of spaying before a cycle.

One of the biggest arguments I hear against spaying before the first cycle is that it can affect the dog's development. Well, I don't doubt that it does being that it interrupts the maturation process and hormones being released in the body, but Fiona's development definitely didn't hurt for it. She's 27.5" and 75-lbs at nearly 3-years old. I think physical development has more to do with genetics than anything. Tali was spayed around 7-months of age too and she's 24" and 60-lbs at almost 4-years old. But the 'size' argument never meant much to me going up against the mammary cancer argument.

My thoughts are that well bred Dobes will be fairly consistent in their size based on pedigree/genes no matter when they're altered. I think where you see more size variation is in poorly bred Dobes where the dogs being bred aren't to standard to begin with.

Fiona didn't gain noticeable weight after her spay. She developed along the normal time frame. She finished growing in height around 13-14 months and she has continued to fill out the last year and a half. I expect she has reached her complete adult size now though apart from maybe toning some more muscle but I base that on how demanding agility is on her body, not on whether or not she's actually growing (I don't think she is now).
 
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Do they gain weight like the male does after they are spayed.. ? how long is recovery.. how risky is the operation for a dobie..? thanks
Dogs only gain weight after speutering if you are feeding too much or not exercising enough. My spayed husky has never been overweight since she was spayed 5 years ago.
 

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Like Zelda said, they only gain weight if their owners let them, just like an unaltered dog. I had a heeler mix who was tucked up like a greyhound for most of her 13 years, after being spayed at 6 months. The ONLY reason she gained weight in her last year or so was because she was on a heavy dose of steroids to control a tumor on her bony palate. Other than "breaking" her ear, that was her only health problem.

Ilka, my current mutt, now 2 years old, was spayed at 9 months, and the only weight she has gained since then is because she has grown another inch or so since then, and has filled out to what appears to be her adult size.
 
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As to how risky the procedure is, all surgeries carry a risk. For a Dobe, one of the obvious ones is vWD. I would make sure I know her vW status, and is she has it, go to a vet who knows how to deal with it. I'm sure people on here can give you recomendations if you need a Dobe specialist.
 
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As to how risky the procedure is, all surgeries carry a risk. For a Dobe, one of the obvious ones is vWD. I would make sure I know her vW status, and is she has it, go to a vet who knows how to deal with it. I'm sure people on here can give you recomendations if you need a Dobe specialist.
thanks i will get this done before i do anything,.... :)
 
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