I think that a lot of it is due to the fact that their dogs become "international champion imports" or whatever that BYBs use to try to make their program sound good.
Minor nitpick: The Doberman Pinscher isn't a species, it's a breed. Also note that Louis Dobermann and his successors created a new breed by mixing several other breeds. IMO, if the numbers of healthy purebred Dobes of proper temperament get so low that inbreeding becomes a threat, judicious cross-breeding with healthy and temperamentally-similar breeds (e.g., the Beauceron) can help re-establish the breed.{snip}Does anyone know the # required before a species becomes endangered???{snip}
Ok I agree BUT playing devil's advocate - it goes both ways. Show vs working; working vs show. Breeding for ONE THING ONLY (no matter what it is) won't get us anymore. It's no better to breed JSUT for work without taking structure/conformation into consideration as it is to breed just for looks. You fall short in your breeding program.[soapbox]When it gets to the point that the majority of Dobe breeders breed only for looks without regard for working ability, that'll be the time for the breed to go away. What's the point of flooding the show-ring or pet-dog market with pretty but useless large-breed dogs? Cheez-n-onions, folks, just get a retarded spaniel-mix from the dog pound or something if you* feel the need to have a large, dumb, compliant dog gaze lovingly at you while you park your butt on the sofa all-day-long watching soap operas or game show re-runs.[/soapbox] (*generic "you")
JMO and thanks for reading it.:wavey:
Agreed. (Thought that was implicit in my rant.:dontknow{snip}It's no better to breed [JUST] for work without taking structure/conformation into consideration as it is to breed just for looks.{snip}
Yes, it's because they breed so many puppies - stats on their website at one time indicated 7-14 LITTERS a year. And because they supply so many lousy breeders in other countries with breeding stock, which makes it appear that they really don't care where their puppies end up.Im getting a pup from Altobello in Serbia tommorow. People on here dont seem to like them...why?? Is it because they breed so many pups? They have a lot of champions there and their dogs are all top quality so I cant understand why people on here dont like them... Just wondering! x
I so agree with this and it is what I have based my whole breeding program on. But you are damned if you do and damned if you don't in the Dobermann world. According to many, you can't have both and I hear all of the time how these dogs and others who breed for both absolutely cannot do both and be any good at it. Of course, that mostly comes from people who have never tried doing both or were not successful in one or the other. Hmmm....Ok I agree BUT playing devil's advocate - it goes both ways. Show vs working; working vs show. Breeding for ONE THING ONLY (no matter what it is) won't get us anymore. It's no better to breed JSUT for work without taking structure/conformation into consideration as it is to breed just for looks. You fall short in your breeding program.
The bit I bolded in your quote kinda speaks volumes.....I'm pretty sure mines been health tested. I suppose it's hard to know who your selling to when you sell abroad. Thanks for all your replies. Il post pics tommorow when I pick up my baby. I hope people can tell me what they think of him. I don't plan to show or breed him he's just a pet but I'd still like to know if he looks good!![]()
I'm pretty sure mines been health tested. I suppose it's hard to know who your selling to when you sell abroad. Thanks for all your replies. Il post pics tommorow when I pick up my baby. I hope people can tell me what they think of him. I don't plan to show or breed him he's just a pet but I'd still like to know if he looks good!![]()
Who is a sire and a dam? I absolutely love Maxim Altobello and think he is the most beautiful male in EuropeIm getting a pup from Altobello in Serbia tommorow. People on here dont seem to like them...why?? Is it because they breed so many pups? They have a lot of champions there and their dogs are all top quality so I cant understand why people on here dont like them... Just wondering! x
Sorry, the original poster was correct, the doberman is a species. 'Breed' is not recognized on the biological classification order, which is Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species.Minor nitpick: The Doberman Pinscher isn't a species, it's a breed. Also note that Louis Dobermann and his successors created a new breed by mixing several other breeds. IMO, if the numbers of healthy purebred Dobes of proper temperament get so low that inbreeding becomes a threat, judicious cross-breeding with healthy and temperamentally-similar breeds (e.g., the Beauceron) can help re-establish the breed.
So, Tally, just "saw" you on another thread, defending Kimbertal and saying the folks on BoDT had some valid points...now you're asking about Euromill.
Things that make you go hmmmm.