I've been thinking when i get Dobe where is it gonna go when i leave for work? Leaving a dog in a crate past 4 hours is considered curel..... i have a small fenced in yard but no way do i wanna leave him outside my living situation is a little complicated to make it short i live in a huge house in town with my grandma and my uncle and his son they live up stairs i stay down stairs my grandmas house is super old and in need of some repairs so her son is trying to help her out for when she gets ready to sell it to try to get a little more out of it my uncle isnt home very often he is a truck driver but when he is i wouldnt want my dobe to be around them...not that they would like hurt it or abuse but i feel bad habits would become the norm for the dog and thats in no way what i want period im not having it for im going to be taking this serious and i want to do the best i can for the dog a doberman is more than a dog to me i dont know how to go about expressing it any better than that theres several rooms down stairs i work from 2-10 at night my grandma isnt your average grandma :3dbiggrin i mean she is in good health and she could run circles around some younger people (not kidding) she's up 5:30-6 every morning she takes care of everything around the house she has 3 minature poodles to watch after i was thinking i could give the dobe a major work out before i go to work and than crate him for 4 hours than have my grandma let him out and put him in a room to chill out in until i got back i dont wanna let him roam around the house that just wouldnt be good i would gladly take some ideas thanks :jonkel: