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I hate to be the naysayer, but I'm not really into this one. Just for the heck of it, I checked OFA and found one Von Ryan dog tested in 1997 and none since. May there will be someone on here with more knowledge then myself though on this particular breeder. In addition that Clare and Thor in the first picture look exceptionally wide to me.
 

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I don't get the show bred v. working bred thing. I realize that different breeders breed for different qualities but isn't the whole purpose of confirmation showing to prove that you've got a dog that is suitable for what it was originally bred for, in this case working? It just makes sense to me then that dogs bred from responsible breeders would be suitable for both and therefore the breeder would have no reason to differentiate between show and working lines?
 

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Yes Tracy,

but 99% of the breeders I have looked at that have "working lines" have not nice looking dogs as far as the show ring goes.

As for show dogs, Im not sure if they are going to be able to do shutzhund.

If anyone can point me to a working breeder who has show quality dobes please let me know.

Lexus you arent a naysayer. I want honest opinions on the breeder. The more indiferent opinions I have the better. You guys may see something I miss, either good or bad.
 

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You've made my point (that I wasn't so clear with :)

If a dog is show quality, they (by definition) should be able to perform what the breed was originally intended for. A dog that has his Ch. should be able to excel in obedience and protection sports - if he can't, something is wrong with the "system". Don't you think? I'm not exactly sure what constitutes a good schutzhund specimen, but I'd imagine that any properly and responsibly bred Doberman would do fine.

I checked out the site and wasn't overly impressed. I'm with Lex. that the dogs on the front page look pretty thick. Also, am worried about the hips are guaranteed for life (good thing) internal organs to include the heart are only guaranteed for 5 years. I've read articles that state dilated cardiomyopathy doesn't generally occur until the dog is around 7.5 and sometimes not until 10. By only guaranteeing the dog (especially in a breed where DCM is so prevelant) for 5 years against a something that doesn't affect them until much later makes me wonder whether or not this is something common in their lines.
On the site it says "Ryan's Luxus puppies are totally guaranteed against hip dysplasia for life, all internal organs into the 5th year, including cardio failure." Of course a hip guarantee is good but Dobes do not notoriously suffer from hip dysplasia like other breeds like goldens and gsds. DCM is painfully common in this breed though and my guess is that this "breeder" is well aware of that and that the average person isn't. Guaranteed for 5 years is awesome if the disease hits before then but it doesn't, so it's a futile guarantee.
 

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Hi Jenslk

I spoke to a breeder here in Ontario about Von Ryan's and she told me to stay far away from him, she told me that he can have up to 30+ pups at one time.

She also told me that on numerous occasions she has seen his pups bite the judge when showing?? I stayed far away.

On a side note I dont post much here, but I will be recieving my 2nd Dobie in 3 weeks from a very respectful breeder in Ontario ( Wrath-liberator) Their dobermans are shown all across north america and our very well known.

Check out their site and speak with Pat or Brian they are lovely people.

I will be sure to post pics :)

Ryan
 

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I have to agree with Dobie lover I to heard the same. I also heard they do no testing on their dogs.
 

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dobie lover said:
On a side note I dont post much here, but I will be recieving my 2nd Dobie in 3 weeks from a very respectful breeder in Ontario ( Wrath-liberator) Their dobermans are shown all across north america and our very well known.

Check out their site and speak with Pat or Brian they are lovely people
Wrath Liberator produces lovely dogs, they're VERY concerned with health and yes, Pat and Brian are great people. I'd recommend them anytime.
 

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What do you think of them?

http://www.dobermanvonryanluxus.com/page2.htm

I am doing research as to if I want a show bred dobe next time or a working dobe and show it.
I have not heard anything good about them. The guarantee makes it sound like you are buying a car with a 5 year/60000 warrenty... and from the pictures on their front page, cars are apparently important to them.... the more expensive and obnoxious the better.... speaks volumes to me!

And yes, a good show dog should also be able to work. You might have to look a little harder depending on exactly what you are looking for. IMHO, most people don't want a super sharp working type dog as a house pet... and that is what a lot of Euro Dobes are. Yes you can live with them, but you darn well better be able to train them and dedicate the time to them.... that pretty much goes for any Doberman, but more so for some of those Euro dogs. Very few people in the US are into doing bite sports, but people do it successfully with all show pedigrees.

I personally want a Doberman that is capable of what the were developed for .... which is personal protection and not necessarily bite type sports. I also want a dog that can walk into the show ring and win, and go to a nursing home and visit people. I want the total Doberman and feel pretty strongly that I have it.
 

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Thanx guys. I will check out the breeder you mentioned.

Im new to the show world, so alot i havent heard yet
 

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puppy mill.
 

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JennSLK said:
Thanx guys. I will check out the breeder you mentioned.

Im new to the show world, so alot i havent heard yet
Have you gone to some shows in your area? That is really one of the best ways to find out what is out there showing.
 

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The shows here are dominated by Dan's breedings and anotherlady whom I would never buy a pup from.

When Im at shows Im there as a helper handler for Dan so Im usually fairly busy.

Dan is Jazz's breeder.

If I wanted a show dog I would go back to dan, however I am debating if I want a working dog or not. Still doing LOTS of research though
 

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1991

February 4, 1991
Aro Vom Haus Beierline X Kay Bee's Angel
8 puppies + 1 dead

April 12, 1991
Aro Vom Haus Beierline X Candy Vom Breisgauer Land
8 puppies + 1 dead

August 19, 1991
Apollo Von Ryansluxus X Kay Bee's Angel (just 6 months after she had a litter in
February?)
7 puppies

November 12, 1991
A-1 King Von Ryansluxus X Tazman's Truslove Enchantance
Note: Tazman (Rhonda Sule) and Truslove (Elaine Truslove) were both kicked
out of the CKC eventually.
6 puppies

1991 = 4 litters / 29 puppies

1992

January 15, 1992
Balcrest Ceasar X Brandy Von Ryansluxus
4 puppies

April 29, 1992
Apollo Von Ryansluxus X Eclair Vom Hause Ehrlich
7 puppies

May 30, 1992
Apollo Von Ryansluxus X Tazman's Truslove Enchantance (back to back 6
months after her last litter)
5 puppies

July 21, 1992
Pando Von Der Ruine Hohenberg X Alice Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

July 25, 1992
Tor-Rud X Kay Bee's Angel
8 puppies

September 18, 1992
A-1 King Von Ryansluxus X Berkeley's Venus
7 puppies + 2 dead

October 17, 1992
Graf Guido Von Franckenhorst X Eclair Vom Hause Ehrlich (back to back 6
months after her last litter)
12 puppies

October 30, 1992
Pando Von Der Ruine Hohenberg X Candy Vom Breisgauer Land
10 puppies

1992 = 8 litters / 62 puppies

1993

February 16, 1993
A-1 King Von Ryansluxus X Kay Bee's Angel (back to back, 7 months after last
litter)
4 puppies

March 10, 1993
Apollo Von Ryansluxus X Rottridge's Asia
9 puppies

April 10, 1993
Tor-Rud X Funny Minnie Von Ryansluxus
12 puppies

May 24, 1993
Hertog Conan V Manensheide X Candy Vom Breisgauer Land (back to back, 7
months after last litter)
2 puppies

May 28, 1993
Hargos vh Wantij X Eclair Vom Hause Ehrlich (back to back for the 3rd time in
a row, 7 months after last litter)
5 puppies

July 7, 1993
Blitz Von Ryansluxus X Challange Von Luv R Dobes
5 puppies + 3 dead

August 13, 1993
Tor-Rud X Alice Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies + 1 dead

September 12, 1993
Ben Von Ryansluxus X Kay Bee's Angel (back to back litters for the 3rd time in
a row)
9 puppies

September 14, 1993
Our Nimbus Von Ryansluxus X First Lady Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

October 9, 1993
Greatest Harley Von Ryansluxus X Esmeralda Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

November 14, 1993
Ben Von Ryansluxus X Sweet Sheba Von Luv R Dobes
10 puppies

December 27, 1993
Excaliber Vom Breisgauer Land X Just Sheila Von Ryansluxus (this bitch was
just 20 months old)
9 puppies

1993 = 12 litters / 81 puppies

1994

March 31, 1994
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Got Kally Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

April 16, 1994
Greatest Harley Von Ryansluxus X First Lady Von Ryansluxus (back to back, 7
months after last litter)
5 puppies

May 4, 1994
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Great Cheyenne Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

May 8, 1994
Hargos vh Wantij X Eclair Vom Hause Ehrlich
4 puppies

May 13, 1994
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Esmeralda Von Ryansluxus (back to back, 7
months after last litter)
6 puppies

May 14, 1994
Hertog Conan V Manensheide X Candy Vom Breisgauer Land (FOURTH
LITTER)
5 puppies

June 29, 1994
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Challange Von Luv R Dobes
6 puppies

August 3, 1994
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Need Misty Von Ryansluxus CD (this bitch is
less than 2 years old)
7 puppies

December 10, 1994
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Plesant Bella Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

1994 = 9 litters / 53 puppies

1995

January 5, 1995
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Just Sheila Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

January 10, 1995
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Ebonaire's Tia Maria
8 puppies

March 13, 1995
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Keisha Vixen Von Ryansluxus
7 + 1 dead

March 19, 1995
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Kay Bee's Angel
6 puppies

April 20, 1995
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Eclair Vom Hause Ehrlich
5 puppies

May 2, 1995
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Tuff Harley Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

May 17, 1995
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Challange Von Luv R Dobes
5 puppies

May 28, 1995
Twice The Hargo Von Ryansluxus X Esmeralda Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

August 5, 1995
Greatest Harley Von Ryansluxus X Xtra Laura Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

August 7, 1995
Twice The Hargo Von Ryansluxus X Need Misty Von Ryansluxus CD
4 puppies

August 9, 1995
Diveos Odin Von Ryansluxus X-Tra Ruby Tued Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies + 2 dead

October 3, 1995
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X A Little Shady Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies + 1 dead

November 26, 1995
Topknot B Bordo Von Chandor X Plesant Bella Von Ryansluxus
3 puppies

1995 = 13 litters / 85 puppies

1996

January 16, 1996
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Wild Angel Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

January 30, 1996
Diveos Odin Von Ryansluxus X First Lady Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

February 23, 1996
Diveos Odin Von Ryansluxus X Kay Bee's Angel (her SEVENTH litter unless
there was more prior to 1991, by this time she is nearly 8 years old)
2 puppies

March 7, 1996
Diveos Odin Von Ryansluxus X Elsa Casy Von Ryansluxus
10 puppies

April 1, 1996
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Rudis Nikita Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

April 5, 1996
Graf's Trigger Von Ryansluxus X Ebonaire's Tia Maria
7 puppies + 1 dead

April 14, 1996
Diveos Odin Von Ryansluxus X Cora Von Ryansluxus
10 puppies

April 15, 1996
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Eclair Vom Hause Ehrlich (her SIXTH litter)
1 puppy + 1 dead

July 17, 1996
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Edda Vom Deister
12 puppies

August 8, 1996
Twice The Hargo Von Ryansluxus X Gabby Von Luv R Dobes
3 puppies

September 6, 1996
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Dayse Jessica Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies + 1 dead

September 7, 1996
Twice The Hargo Von Ryansluxus X Esmeralda Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

September 11, 1996
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Tuff Harley Von Ryansluxus
2 puppies + 1 dead

September 11, 1996
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X After Maxin Von Ryansluxus CD
7 puppies

1996 = 14 litters / 90 puppies

1997

January 26, 1997
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Elsa Casy Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

April 11, 1997
Hadar Hosea V. Diaspora X Athene Di Faruggio
6 puppies

May 4, 1997
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Plesant Bella Von Ryansluxus
3 puppies

July 12, 1997
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Vivre Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

July 22, 1997
Champ Zors Von Ryansluxus X Black Missy Von Ryansluxus
12 puppies

July 27, 1997
Dobgun's Faust Von Ryan's Luxus X Princess Layla Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

September 14, 1997
Ch. Wanted Rock Von Ryansluxus CD X Universal Jewel Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

September 23, 1997
Ch. Wanted Rock Von Ryansluxus CD X Tuff Harley Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies + 4 dead

October 5, 1997
Spike Von Ryansluxus X Dobgun's Esmee'
5 puppies

October 30, 1997
Ch. Wanted Rock Von Ryansluxus CD X First Batten Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies + 1 dead

December 4, 1997
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Valentin Dessa Von Ryansluxus
2 puppies

1997 = 11 litters / 73 puppies

1998

March 3, 1998
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Athene Di Faruggio
8 puppies

April 14, 1998
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Ancient Myst Ery V Ryansluxus
10 puppies

April 15, 1998
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Edda Vom Deister
11 puppies

May 19, 1998
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Fames Katharine V Ryansluxus
7 puppies

May 20, 1998
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Zesty Missy Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

May 26, 1998
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Need Misty Von Ryansluxus CD
2 puppies

May 29, 1998
Ch. Wanted Rock Von Ryansluxus CD X First Batten Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

June 26, 1998
Gladiator's War Von Ryansluxus X Y That Clara Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

July 20, 1998
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Elsa Casy Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

July 26, 1998
Hadar Hosea V. Diaspora X Metaxa Elli
2 puppies

October 4, 1998
Great Shadow Von Ryansluxus X Mischa Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

December 27, 1998
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Under Roxy Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

1998 = 12 litters / 83 puppies

1999

February 28, 1999
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Athene Di Faruggio
5 puppies

June 5, 1999
Great Buddy Von Ryansluxus X Fierce Lady V Ryansluxus
7 puppies

June 18, 1999
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Zesty Missy Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

October 30, 1999
Notorious Rebel Von Ryansluxus X Ryansluxus Riley
1 puppy

November 5, 1999
Awsome Bismarck Von Ryansluxus X Princess Layla Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

December 23, 1999
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Casandra Von Hill Horst
1 puppy

1999 = 6 litters / 31 puppies

2000

January 6, 2000
Awsome Bismarck Von Ryansluxus X Xtreamley Quick Von Ryansluxus
1 puppy

March 3, 2000
Ceaser Von Ryansluxus 2nd X Eclair's Only One V Ryansluxux
5 puppies

March 4, 2000
Ceaser Von Ryansluxus 2nd X Xtream Sasha Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies + 1 dead

March 16, 2000
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Naturaly Keena Von Ryansluxus
4 puppies

March 17, 2000
Uligan Van't Hof Ter Helle X Baronessa Vom Alemannenring
3 puppies

March 31, 2000
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Zbeta Von Ryansluxus
10 puppies

April 11, 2000
Ceaser Von Ryansluxus 2nd X Xtreamley Quick Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

July 2, 2000
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Zesty Missy Von Ryansluxux
10 puppies

August 10, 2000
Blitz Von Ryansluxus CD X Athene Di Faruggio
6 puppies + 1 dead

September 13, 2000
Awsome Bismarck Von Ryansluxus X Fierce Lady V Ryansluxus)
4 puppies

October 21, 2000
Ceaser Von Ryansluxus 2nd X Irinland Vallis Viola
6 puppies

2000 = 11 litters / 66 puppies

2001

February 8, 2001
Awsome Bismarck Von Ryansluxus X Baronessa Vom Alemannenring
6 puppies

March 3, 2001
Ceaser Von Ryansluxus 2nd X Eclair's Only One V Ryansluxus
1 puppy

May 12, 2001
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Ch. Ryansluxus Pheonix V Stbrandt CD
7 puppies

May 26, 2001
Ch. Jaggers Luger Von Ryansluxus X Zelda Ripley Von Ryansluxus
11 puppies

June 16, 2001
X Tream Jocker Von Ryansluxus X Prong For Kong Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

August 9, 2001
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Casandra Von Hill Horst
9 puppies + 1 dead

September 2, 2001
Neat Luke Von Ryansluxus CD X Legendary Lacy V Ryansluxus
8 puppies

2001 = 7 litters / 47 puppies

2002

April 3, 2002
X Tream Jocker Von Ryansluxus X Zesty Missy Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

April 23, 2002
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Hosga's Indy Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

April 29, 2002
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Sweet Harley Von Ryansluxus
10 puppies

May 3, 2002
X Tream Jocker Von Ryansluxus X Fierce Lady V Ryansluxus
3 puppies

May 16, 2002
Great Bull Von Ryansluxus X Ch. Undaunted Elsa Von Ryansluxus
13 puppies
Co-bred: Angela Ravallese, John Ryan

May 23, 2002
Great Bull Von Ryansluxus X Athene Di Faruggio
1 puppy

July 26, 2002
Qu Quan Diesel V Ryansluxus X Ch. Audacious Kahlua Di Ravalleses
11 puppies
Co-bred: Angela Ravallese, John Ryan

August 2, 2002
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Ch. Xtream Sasha Von Ryansluxus CD
3 puppies

August 7, 2002
Great Bull Von Ryansluxus X Visual Encore Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies
Co-bred: Isolde Ryan, Ann Hutchison

August 17, 2002
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Eclair's Only One V Ryansluxus
6 puppies

August 30, 2002
Great Bull Von Ryansluxus X Casandra Von Hill Horst
1 puppy + 2 dead

October 30, 2002
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Fearless Tory Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

December 17, 2002
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Lexie Von Ryansluxus
8 puppies

2002 = 13 litters / 81 puppies

2003

March 4, 2003
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Eclair's Only One V Ryansluxus (back to
back, 7 months after last litter)
7 puppies

April 18, 2003
X Tream Jocker Von Ryansluxus X Hosga's Indy Von Ryansluxus
6 puppies

July 16, 2003
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Fames Katharine V Ryansluxus
2 puppies + 2 dead

July 25, 2003
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Lexie Von Ryansluxus (back to back)
5 puppies + 1 dead

July 27, 2003
Ch. Exin Bailey Von Ryansluxus X Call Me Angel Von Ryansluxus
9 puppies

August 29, 2003
Great Bull Von Ryansluxus X Devoted Nikita Von Ryansluxus
4 puppies

October 17, 2003
X Tream Jocker Von Ryansluxus X Visual Encore Von Ryansluxus
4 puppies

November 22, 2003
Grand Lincoln Von Ryansluxus X Fearless Tory Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

2003 = 8 litters / 42 puppies

2004

January 27, 2004
Apollo Von Delicspride X Ch. Xtream Sasha Von Ryansluxus CD
8 puppies

February 3, 2004
Apollo Von Delicspride X Dixon's Mija Von Ryansluxus
10 puppies

February 21, 2004
Khan's Legends Von Ryansluxus X Zbeta Von Ryansluxus
7 puppies

Feb 27, 2004
Apollo Von Delicspride X Eclair's Only One V Ryansluxus
6 puppies

March 19, 2004
Xtrodinar Thor Von Ryansluxus X Notice Of Intent V Ryansluxus
4 puppies

April 19, 2004
Apollo Von Delicspride X Heidi's Cece Von Ryansluxus
5 puppies

April 29, 2004
Ch. Thaisen Vom Klingbach X Hosga's Indy Von Ryansluxus
2 puppies

By the end of April 2004 = 7 litters / 42 puppies

There will likely be more 2004 litters not shown until the 2005 studbook, which
doesn't become available until July 2006.

After awhile I became numb to looking at the back to back litters and the
numbers produced by one bitch and I never finished looking up their ages when
bred for the first time, so I stopped making notes to that end.
 

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OMG thats alot of puppies.

Shows what a flashy website can do.
 

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Do you guys know of any really good top quality SHOW breeders in Canada or the US.


I was told to stay away from Marienburg (sp?) lines because she doesnt health test. Is this true?
 

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No. Im buying Jazz from Liberty Dobermans here in Canada.

Im just doing research for my next dobe in 1 - 2 yrs.
 

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Hi Jennslk

As you can see what Mary has posted , you will want to stay far away from him!!

Why don't you speak with Mary?? she is well known and has beutiful dobermans, and im pretty sure her next litter is in 2007.

here is her website : members.execulink.com/~korevaar

Ryan
 
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