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Well, eventhough I had two Elisa Assay tests done on Bumpy and I thought my vet did the Vetgen, I then saw no indication of that on his records, so I went ahead and did the swab test myself. As expected, the results came back as affected. When I told his breeder she yelled at me, said none of her dogs were carriers or affected and hung up. Kind of what I expected, both with the breeder and with my Bumps as he has had bleeding issues already. I guess I just needed to see it in writing.
 

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That really stinks of your breeder. You gave her pretty vital information that could help her in the long run and future litters. I'm sorry about the results. Has he been neutered already? What where his issues previously?
 

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Wow what a reaction to a vital piece of information - trying to cover up....
 

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That really stinks of your breeder. You gave her pretty vital information that could help her in the long run and future litters. I
She's a BYB and doesn't care what happens to her pups, just after the dollars.
 

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Well at least you know now. My breeder bred two carriers and we knew that upfront but she did not do the Vet Gen testing in advance of the sale. There were two affected, two carriers, and one clear... Drago is the clear!!
 

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Well at least you know now. My breeder bred two carriers and we knew that upfront but she did not do the Vet Gen testing in advance of the sale. There were two affected, two carriers, and one clear... Drago is the clear!!
WOW! You got lucky!


Lana - At least you know now. That really sucks about the breeder, but hey.....you did the right thing by at least trying to let her know. She obviously is a moron, but that isnt your fault. Hopefully bumpy will live a long normal life.
 

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It is good to know what you are dealing with 100% - the breeder is a butthead!

I too hope that he lives a long and uneventful life.
 

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Too bad about your guy. That breeder is an a&&. In any event, like you said, at least you now have your suspicions in writing. Good luck. Here's to a long happy life.
 

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Well, eventhough I had two Elisa Assay tests done on Bumpy and I thought my vet did the Vetgen, I then saw no indication of that on his records, so I went ahead and did the swab test myself. As expected, the results came back as affected. When I told his breeder she yelled at me, said none of her dogs were carriers or affected and hung up. Kind of what I expected, both with the breeder and with my Bumps as he has had bleeding issues already. I guess I just needed to see it in writing.
I am glad he got you for an owner. You have learned so much from this board when you could have gotten mad, told us to drop dead and gone elsewhere as a some people do.
I am sorry about Bumpys' condition, but I know you will take the best of care of him.
You really need to tell everyone you can about his condition and WHERE you got him.
 

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Thanks everyone. When I got him as many of you know, I had no clue what to look for in a breeder. My main concern was that he did not come from what I considered a puppy mill. I thought that because I went to a nice home and the puppies were all inside with the owners and kids, that he must be from two good dogs. Hell, what did I know.....my two other dogs are from the city shelter. To answer Hbwright, no, Bumpy is not neutered and in all honesty I am still very much on the fence about the surgery. The cost is astronomical, but in all honesty, I am just nervous about the procedure. I could never forgive myself if something happened to him. Does the risk of prostrate problems outweigh the risk of neutering...I haven't decided yet. I do know, however, that he is this amazing dog that I love to death....and I hope that his siblings went to great owners as well. I am going to send the breeders a copy of his results....I doubt they are going to stop breeding their dogs, I guess they just care about the money. I hope other people ask the right questions before purchasing their puppies.
 

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Good luck with whatever you decide on the neutering issue - it's tough. I don't know anything about prostrate problems & intact dogs, but at least now you know and can make the right decisions for Bumpy as far as his health goes. I hope he knows how lucky he is to have you lookin out for him :)
 

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I owned a vWD affected doberman mix (part of a Wash St University study on creating the assay for the test). Magnum (lived 13.5 years) did just fine during the neuter - had the cryoprecipitate transfusion ready just in case but he didn't need it. You should neuter him. He is not a breeding animal and it will be healthier for him in the long run. You don't want to take the chance of him fighting with other animals either.
 

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I owned a vWD affected doberman mix (part of a Wash St University study on creating the assay for the test). Magnum (lived 13.5 years) did just fine during the neuter - had the cryoprecipitate transfusion ready just in case but he didn't need it. You should neuter him. He is not a breeding animal and it will be healthier for him in the long run. You don't want to take the chance of him fighting with other animals either.
In most cases, I think we'd all agree with you, due to the fact it's not common for genetically affected dobermans to be clincally affected, and prostate disease is so common in male dobermans as well.

But Bumpy has had clotting problems already-he's clincally affected, and that makes the situation far more complex. I really don't know what I'd do in the situation.
 

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In most cases, I think we'd all agree with you, due to the fact it's not common for genetically affected dobermans to be clincally affected, and prostate disease is so common in male dobermans as well.

But Bumpy has had clotting problems already-he's clincally affected, and that makes the situation far more complex. I really don't know what I'd do in the situation.
Yikes,

I had forgotten that Bumpy was clinically affected. Even so--I think I'd be saving money to have him neutered and plan on giving him cryoprecipitate pre surgery. It isn't just prostate problems. It's also the other things that are common in unaltered males--testicular cancer for one. And something that I didn't know about until recently--the possiblity of blood loss because of bleeding from mucosal areas--penile sheath, surface of the penis, mouth, nasal passages. Evidently stress, excitement, ill health from anything else can increase the prospects of bleeds in clinically affected Dobes.

Judging from the way in which my intact dogs can identify a bitch in season anywhere in the area I'm sure that the possibility of stress/excitement is greater in an intact male.

It's a tough call Lanabana, good luck in making it.
 
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