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Wow that was a scary couple of hours there!!

Diesel sleeps on my bed, and he woke me up tonight at about 11.30pm being all giddy and just flopping ontop of me. I tried to get him off me then suddenly realised he couldn't move his back end, so I had to slip out from underneath him. I called him to me and he just wouldn't move, eventually he had a spurt of energy and jumped off the bed, then started falling all over the place with his back legs. So all I could think about was WOBBLERS wobblers wobblers wobblers oh s**t wobblers, what do I know about wobblers :confused: At this point he was laying down and staying very still and every time he looked at me his head was tilting gradually to the right. He was also drooling and licking his lips alot.

So rang the emergency vet and they said to bring him in. Oh s**t how do I get him down the stairs never mind in the car?!?! So with alot of struggling and heaving, and a scarf slipped under his back end to lift him I got him down the stairs. He was being very very reluctant and was somewhat capable of reversing backwards up the stairs but not coming down :rolleyesww:

Anyway, after another struggle got him in the car, thankfully the e-vet is about a 15 minute drive away and motorways are quiet here at midnight! He then proceeded to poo in the car , snap at the vet who tried to help me lift him from the car, and then walk around like there was almost nothing wrong with him, just a slight lean to the side.

So vet thinks vestibular, he seems to have a bad ear infection in his right ear. NOT wobblers, he did the back foot bendy test (sorry I don't know what it's called) When the vet held his head up his eyes were twitching which he says is vestibular. Have to go for more investigations on friday, as he may need xrays or even an MRI scan. Again, oh s**t, it costs HOW MUCH? So fingers very tightly crossed it can be treated with antibiotics!!! As of next week my car has to have tons of work done as it won't pass its MOT test and I will have no car, but these things never come at the RIGHT time do they :(

SO for future reference how does a twig of a girl like me lift approx 95lbs of dobermann down the stairs without breaking herself and the dog in the process? We are having a slumber party downstairs tonight as I don't want to have to do that again if he gets worse so no stairs for Diesel.
 

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SO for future reference how does a twig of a girl like me lift approx 95lbs of dobermann down the stairs without breaking herself and the dog in the process? We are having a slumber party downstairs tonight as I don't want to have to do that again if he gets worse so no stairs for Diesel.

The answer to that question is simple. Desperation.

I've had three dogs that have had vestibular syndrome over the years, with mixed outcomes. One, a Peke-a-Pom, had one attack, and was fine for the next five years of his life, and died when he was at least 17. The other two didn't do as well. Let's hope that clearing up the ear infection does the trick. Most dogs DO recover.
 
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that was scary.

not sure what to suggest to get a big dog downstairs by yourself............but you DID IT!!! :)

Hope all will be well with Diesel.

i had a bout of vertigo a few years back..................if Diesel felt anything like i did......yikes...the whole world spins and spins and spins and...................
 

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No advice here, but I just wanted to send hugs your way! You and your boy are in my thoughts and prayers for good news on Friday, and an easily cleared ear infection.

Being petite myself, I can't imagine trying to wrestle a 95lb dog down a flight of stairs.. Adrenaline really does make things happen. Maybe a towel under the hips as a sling?? I'd be SOL and hollering for my husband. You're a rockstar for getting it done though!!
 

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How scary!! My mom's cat had a bout with vestibular a few years ago. We thought she'd gotten into something poisonous and was dying! So terrifying. She's pretty much fine now, but she does still have a charming little head tilt (no shaking, just a little crooked) when she looks at you. It makes her look like she's really weighing what you're saying to her. Hope your boy bounces back fast!
 

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I had a male, Wonder, who had an episode of idiopathic vestibular syndrome once, and you're right - it's very frightening to see but the good news is that it often resolves itself fairly quickly, within 48-72 hours with supportive care.

It comes on so fast, as you saw. Wonder was sleeping on his bed in front of the fireplace, woke up, got up, fell into the TV, fell into the fireplace (no fire!) and couldn't walk straight. It's like they're drunk, just stumbling around.

You can give them gravol for the motion sickness which is because of the nystagmus (I hope I got that right - that's the eyes rocketing about) and basically try to keep them in a safe, padded spot for the next couple of days. I kept Wonder in my bedroom for the most part. It was difficult for him to settle down. He didn't want to get out of the sphinx position for the most part. Again, it looks like someone who is drunk and they're holding onto the bed for dear life because it's spinning. Fortunately, he was willing to eat. Some won't, again probably because of the motion sickness.

Wonder was left with a slight head tilt, which most probably wouldn't have noticed. And I'd say he returned to about 90% or so normalcy. He was never really comfortable with his feet off the ground after that - it ended his training in open because of the jumping. He was uncomfortable getting onto the grooming table for the rest of his life, but otherwise, things were ok.
 

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I have never had a dog with this, fortunately. However, when I worked at a vets we had a Golden come in with it. Dont remember the cause, bu seems like it was an ear infection, also. Hope your boy bounces back shortly. I can only imagine how horrifying your experience was. Love and fear will get your boy in the car when need be. Best wishes to you both.
 

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Thanks guys, well I got a couple of hours sleep on the floor next to his bed. He's totally back to himself this morning, including jumping over me when I was lay on the floor. He did stumble once this morning when he first got up but that's it so far. He's now bouncing and spinning round the kitchen chasing the cat. The vet gave him antibiotic and anti-inflam shots, and I have antibiotics to take me through to friday. He's eating fine although I only gave him half his breakfast just incase, he can have the other half later, no signs of nausea today though.

It's scary that something so severe can come on so suddenly! He has given me no indication of an ear infection whatsoever. He did look like everyone described, very very drunk. And I do not know how I got him down the stairs! I did use a scarf as a sling for his back end (something I read on here once and stored for future use, thanks DT!) but my stairs aren't wide and he was jamming his front legs straight, and I couldn't get beside him to lift from the side. I remember getting so frustrated I lifted him down 3 steps at a time by his collar and sling! He really didn't like that! But I can imagine trying to go down stairs at a dogs eye level while drunk with no balance is quite a scary thing for the dog :(

I'll keep you guys updated, thanks for the wishes and support :)
 

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I am sorry. Your experience must have been awful. Maybe you could get a harness for him, so you could lift and pull him that way. He will probably never have another problem like that, tho, thank goodness. Fantastic to hear he is so much better so quickly. Give this boy a hug from me!:)
 

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Glad he's doing better. Let's hope he makes a full recovery, and never has any more problems.
 

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Just a quick update on Diesel, he was on antibiotics for a suspected inner ear infection for a week. When he finished those, he started head shaking and itching his ear, so I got some more antibiotics and booked another vet appointment. Just been in today and had a proper check of his ears and lengthy conversation with the vet.

He now has ear infections in BOTH ears :rolleyesww::confused: but neither are bad enough in the vets opinion to have caused vestibular. I asked what had caused his funny turn then, and he isn't sure. But we are going to do one thing at a time and treat these ear infections first, which leads me to...

Food allergies! It would seem allergies have caused these infections, but I couldn't think why as he had been on the same food for about 6 months and has been doing great.Vet says if he is allergic to gluten (which he is) it's likely he's allergic to beef too, does he have any beef? No! Oh wait... then realise treats for the past couple of weeks have been beef.

So lots of medicine for a fortnight to try and deal with these infections, eyes back on his diet to add beef to the list of nono's. Also very slight chance it could be ear mites so treating for that too.
 

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Hi,
I just saw your post and thought it was interesting that I recently went through a very similar ordeal with my girl. It is so scary! I am very lucky to live 6 min from one of the best veterinary teaching hospitals in the country and my kiddo has been seen by an amazing neurologist there. He told me that vestibular disease can be congenital, in Dobermans. did your kiddo ever have any balance issues or head tilt as a puppy? how is his hearing? I have been doing a ton of research on the subject and trying to learn as much as I can.
anyway, I just thought I would chime in and say, I am sorry and I feel for you. I am also curious, when you say food allergies caused his ear infection, had he ever been given beef, before, in his life? What made the vet think it was gluten and beef? I only ask because the food allergy path can be a real pain in the butt, especially if you wrongfully assume an allergy to a food that is actually OK. you can do allergy testing at a derm specialist (like in humans) or a strict elimination diet to try and figure out exactly whats bugging him. We tried an elimination diet with my frenchie and could not get rid of the allergic symptoms, despite our greatest efforts. Come to find out her allergies are actually environmental and not food related, at all. After going through that headache, I always feel like I should warn people :)
 

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I am very lucky to live 6 min from one of the best veterinary teaching hospitals in the country and my kiddo has been seen by an amazing neurologist there.
Since you live in Colorado I'm guessing Fort Collins since CSU has such a great hospital. I feel fortunate that they are so close just in case.
 

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Hi,
I just saw your post and thought it was interesting that I recently went through a very similar ordeal with my girl. It is so scary! I am very lucky to live 6 min from one of the best veterinary teaching hospitals in the country and my kiddo has been seen by an amazing neurologist there. He told me that vestibular disease can be congenital, in Dobermans. did your kiddo ever have any balance issues or head tilt as a puppy? how is his hearing? I have been doing a ton of research on the subject and trying to learn as much as I can.
anyway, I just thought I would chime in and say, I am sorry and I feel for you. I am also curious, when you say food allergies caused his ear infection, had he ever been given beef, before, in his life? What made the vet think it was gluten and beef? I only ask because the food allergy path can be a real pain in the butt, especially if you wrongfully assume an allergy to a food that is actually OK. you can do allergy testing at a derm specialist (like in humans) or a strict elimination diet to try and figure out exactly whats bugging him. We tried an elimination diet with my frenchie and could not get rid of the allergic symptoms, despite our greatest efforts. Come to find out her allergies are actually environmental and not food related, at all. After going through that headache, I always feel like I should warn people :)
He has never been given beef before in a large quantity, I had started to give him them as they were a bit cheaper and I was a bit skint the past few weeks. We do clicker training so he has had quiet a few of them.

I had mentioned to the vet as soon as I walked in that I had been reading about ear infections and food allergies, and that D seemed to be allergic to all grains except rice, they all give him sloppy stools. That's when the vet said if he is allergic to them then he probably is to beef too, so he said anything that comes from a cow, even the rawhide chews. Then a lightbulb went on for me and I told him he is very allergic to rawhide, always has been, he comes up in little lumps all over.

He's not saying that's exactly what caused it, but it's looking the most likely for the moment. He did say it could also be caused by environmental issues, dust mites, pollen, grass seeds, or ear mites from the cat.

I didn't have him as a puppy, so I don't know about a head tilt, I will try and get hold of his old owners and ask. But his hearing seems fine, infact it's always been almost too good! And he's had no other strange symptoms since that night, he's been completely back to normal. Doesn't stop me worrying though :)
 

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Oh my gosh, how scary for you and Diesel! Really glad to hear he's better now though.

Ive wondered a few times what I'd do if Rupert couldnt walk himself (he isn't far off weighing the same as me!) I think I would try and call a friend to come over and help me, or if there was no time a next door neibour. I was told when I got him as a puppy by somekne to have a piece of plywood spare so I could make a makeshift stretcher or to use to slide him along. You could use a bed sheet too. I think I agre with above though, desperation will get him in the car!
 
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