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I have been through Hell the last week as some of you know. The puppies were back at the vets again (third time now) over the weekend. They came home late Monday. I was unable to pick them up myself due to the storm. So hubby went to get them and was going to relay info to me. He got there and asked The Vet to show him how to tape the ears. The Vet said he did'nt tape ears, that he used the plastic crown thing right up until they stood. My husband did'nt know what to say so he brought them home.

First thing I noticed is the crowns were still on. And that glue was all over thier heads and ears. The scabs were about 90% healed except for the tips. Next thing I noticed is that they had Vet Wrap on thier leg. (IV site) And I did'nt really know why. My husband said that one had come down with an infected ear, and they had both been given anti-biotics. And the infection was cleared up. The Vet sent more tranqulizers home and said we could double on the dose if needed, as we reported they were not working as well. Well within 15 mins of being home, they had gotten the crowns off one ear, so I removed them as carefully as I could.

Thier ears have horrible pockets which are making them tip in twords each other. I'm positive these pockets were made by the circle part of the crown thing pushing the bell out. Thier ears stood errect for a long time, over an hour. I cleaned them best I could. But every time I tried to remove this glue it would rip off all the hair and leave the skin looking horrible pink and swollen. I let the ears dry and be for another hour. At this time they started tipping twords each other. So, I went ahead and taped them with tampons as the instruction said. I used tape on the bottom, and one small piece holding the tip. I did'nt wrap the whole thing as I wanted some air to reach them. To help heal the rest of the tip, and to dry out the backs of thier poor, red, hairless ears. The posts/taping or whatever came out great, and have been in for 24 hours with no problems. No scrathing, or head shaking.

We are sappose to bring the puppies back Friday, But I don't really want to. Though I want him to check for infection. Also any Vet Stay due to this surgery was sappose to be free, and concidered INCLUDED in the anital price. The Vet told me this. The secretaries CHARGED my husband $120 for this last stay. This has to mentioned. He did'nt know what to do, so he paid tham anyway without mention of the arrangment. They puppies came home smelling like urine too. I can kinda understand, but it just further aggravated me. I know they gave them baths last time they were there. Also, my puppies went in the first time weighing 25lbs at 14 weeks. They are now almost 16 and weigh23 and 22lbs. They keep losing weight really quickly while they are there. I think this Vet is a meathead. Though everyone used him for cropping. He is one out of two Vets that do it here in Maine. The other has a bad history with losy jobs. Why would he not tape the ears? I don't think the crown fit them right, and why did'nt he notice the pockets too? I feel like I ought to tell him off But I really need him right now.

Anyway. I am going to post some pictures here tonight of them with their ears taped. Thanks for letting me vent!
 

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You poor thing. Can anyone else help you post? Perhaps a DPCA mentor in your area.
Also to remove the ashesive. I used Uni-Solve. Worked great. Others on the board have used other things as well. I got mine from a pharmaceticul supply store. They rent wheel chairs, walkers, all kinds of bandages. you probably have something like that close to you.
As far as the over-charge ($) I would call and have them take it off your charge. You can tell them in a nice way what the agreement was even though you would like to tell them off.
Goo Luck and hang in there.
 

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In 30 years of having Dobermans I have never had to have one stay overnighit much less a weekend at the vets because of ear cropping. Mine were all cropped before I go them by breeders who sought out good croppers to insure that their puppies would have a good crop, and the breeder of my first Doberman puppy showed me how to tape his ears once they were healed. That puppy's ears were simply folded over the top of his head and taped together at the tips, which I really advise you to do with your puppies because it would be a lot simpler for you and easier on the puppies. None of my puppies ever had to wear an ecollar because of ear cropping either. It seems to me these puppies are going thru a lot with this procedure, which is unnecessary.

The ears can be glued to styrofoam cups or blocks of foam or simply taped across the top of the head until the edges are healed and the stitches are out. It doesn't seem to matter which of those methods is used. Then after the ears are healed the easiest way for both the owner and the puppy is to post them, there are various things to use for posting, tampons, caulking rod, even stiffened paper towels. All I've ever heard from people who used those wolf crown things is that they wouldn't stay on. And I can see in the pictures that yours don't seem to fit the puppies' heads.
 

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Oh boy....I am so sorry with all you have been through. It should be all up hill from here on in. You have tons of time to get the posting down and right. Don't obsess over how they look week to week. Petey has the worst crop ever, and he is finally looking ok at 23 weeks. You will be an expert at it with in weeks and the girls will sit still and let you get it done. We use a less sticky tape against the ears and then cover it with the better waterproof tape, this way it doesn't pull so much hair off.

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I've never used waterproof tape on ears. In fact, one of the things the breeder of my first puppy emphasized to me was *not* to use waterproof tape, because it isn't good for the ears, doesn't let them "breathe", and damages them getting the tape off. I was told to use Johnsono&Johnson athletic tape, sometimes called Zonas tape, and that's what I've always used.
 

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You poor thing. Can anyone else help you post? Perhaps a DPCA mentor in your area.
Also to remove the ashesive. I used Uni-Solve. Worked great. Others on the board have used other things as well. I got mine from a pharmaceticul supply store. They rent wheel chairs, walkers, all kinds of bandages. you probably have something like that close to you.
As far as the over-charge ($) I would call and have them take it off your charge. You can tell them in a nice way what the agreement was even though you would like to tell them off.
Goo Luck and hang in there.
Thanks
The only person with DPCA I really know is still in NY or on her way home. She did say she would help when she got abck. I'm just waiting for her to email me. I did get some Uni Solve. I just hated putting any chemical on thier skin, it was sooo red.
 

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Carol,

Hopfully it will get better here soon. How are peteys ears doing? Are you still taping?


Micdobe,

I agree the puppies have been through too much. I have never seen anyone have these problems I am having. I HATE the Wolf Rack crown thing. But, I figure the Vet knew what he was doing. ~sigh~ I did get some Zonas tape. Everything seeks ok now. Their ears are all healed pretty much. Just the backs look aweful now.
 

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I've never used waterproof tape on ears. In fact, one of the things the breeder of my first puppy emphasized to me was *not* to use waterproof tape, because it isn't good for the ears, doesn't let them "breathe", and damages them getting the tape off. I was told to use Johnsono&Johnson athletic tape, sometimes called Zonas tape, and that's what I've always used.
We put that over the other..so we can take him out in the rain and snow, I hike every day with Petey for 1.5 hours...no matter what the weather....I've been doing it for 3 months now. Thankfully....my taping days are almost over...Petey is 10 days away from 6 months old....and teething is almost done.....4 more teeth to go!!! I can't wait!

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The only person with DPCA I really know is still in NY or on her way home. She did say she would help when she got abck. I'm just waiting for her to email me. I did get some Uni Solve. I just hated putting any chemical on thier skin, it was sooo red.

Uni Solve is not harmful to the skin at all and contains no harsh chemicals. It's better than ripping the tape of their ears along with the hair. Put the Uni Solve on and under the tape, let it sit for 10 minutes or so and the tape will practically fall off. Once the tape is off you can then take a little more uni solve and take the excess glue off. I also used isopropanol alcohol on a gauze pad to take the excess off. If the ears are red it means they are irritated or worse infected. Personally I would just tape them over their heads for a few days until the irritation calms down. And if they were my pups I would stop giving them tranquilizers, they are just babies. If you are worried about pain put some of the polysporn with the pain med. on. Good luck and I hope they are feeling better soon!
 
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Yup, I got nervous and checked thier ears. They looked bad enough so I took the tape off. Rayna has her ears taped over her head. Rowen are standing pretty good right now. Here is a picture of Rowen That I just took. I'll take some of Rayna when it's her turn out.

Rowen 15 weeks


Rowen again


Mom your Flash is bright!
 

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Mandy,

Like Micdobe in even more years of having Dobes and dealing with crops (and helping a lot of people learn to post ears) I've NEVER had a vet keep a puppy overnight. I've never had them give tranquilizers to a puppy after cropping. For that matter I've never had an e-collar on a puppy after cropping (even when we were doing entire litters). And all of mine have either had the ears simply taped across the head or up on a styrofoam cup until the stitches could be taken out and the edges were completely healed. At which time the ears were put up on posts.

I do not recommend using waterproof tape--use J&J Zonas or J&J Coach Athletic tape--both of which are porous and breathable--you really don't want the ears to have the air cut off--it doesn't actually matter terribly if they get wet--if you use porous tape they'll dry out again.

Also--I don't bother to take all the adhesive (or for that matter, any of the adhesive) off the ears until I am entirely done posting. As you've found out trying to get it off without the proper adhesive removers (Unisolve is one and has been mentioned here) will simply pull hair off the ear and make the skin sore. Leave it--it'll come off in it's own sweet time. Or at the very end of the taping process (weeks or months from now) you can remove it with an appropriate adhesive remover. For removing tape when I'm taping ears I use plain old vegetable oil--like Wesson oil and work it down the tape with my fingers--it will allow you to take the tape off without pulling the hair and making the ears sore. That's non toxic--won't hurt them, won't sting if there is a sore spot.

Those crowns are useless. Stop going back to that vet. There is enough information on this board, on the internet and on the Doberman Pinscher Club of America web site to give you all the information you need to work on those ears and do it properly.

My final question is didn't that vet give you antibiotics when he sent the puppies home after they were cropped? Most vets who crop send home at least one weeks worth--generally cephalexin.

ACH!!! And people wonder why we tell people over and over that the best thing to do is to find a breeder who has the puppies cropped BEFORE you get them and has the edges healed and the ears up on posts--if you don't know where to find good croppers this is the kind of hogwash you get into. I kept my mouth shut until now but this is just ridiculous.
 

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Uni Solve is not harmful to the skin at all and contains no harsh chemicals. It's better than ripping the tape of their ears along with the hair. Put the Uni Solve on and under the tape, let it sit for 10 minutes or so and the tape will practically fall off. Once the tape is off you can then take a little more uni solve and take the excess glue off. I also used isopropanol alcohol on a gauze pad to take the excess off. If the ears are red it means they are irritated or worse infected. Personally I would just tape them over their heads for a few days until the irritation calms down. And if they were my pups I would stop giving them tranquilizers, they are just babies. If you are worried about pain put some of the polysporn with the pain med. on. Good luck and I hope they are feeling better soon!
I agree with Oakie on all accounts.
 

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Mandy,



My final question is didn't that vet give you antibiotics when he sent the puppies home after they were cropped? Most vets who crop send home at least one weeks worth--generally cephalexin.

ACH!!! And people wonder why we tell people over and over that the best thing to do is to find a breeder who has the puppies cropped BEFORE you get them and has the edges healed and the ears up on posts--if you don't know where to find good croppers this is the kind of hogwash you get into. I kept my mouth shut until now but this is just ridiculous.

Nope, he did'nt send us home with any after crop. He did'nt still send us home with any after infection. I have to agree about breeders should do the cropping. The worst thing is I have not been able to really enjoy them. I have been to stressed, and they have been gone alot. This is all just crazy.
 

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we untaped their ears. Rowens look "ok" but are not standing properly. One is tipping in, the other forward. Rayna's ears are both tipping in. I taped them over the top last night. I took it off this morning to let them exercise their muscles a bit.

I'm trying to get into my normal vet today to at least talk to him and see what he thinks. He dose not crop so I don't know how much he can tell me. But he can at least check for infection.
 

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Mandy......Rowen is a beautiful dobie coloring is soooooo rich! Hope everything turns out ok.
 
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Are there any decent breeders in your area that you might try calling and ask for their professional help for a fee in reference to your dogs ears and postings. Then you could go for awhile till you get the hang of it and the dogs ears are progressing nicely. Probably would be less money than the vet and consistent, constructive advice. Explain your situation and how awful it has been for your pups.
 

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agree with waiting - is penny cary close enough (Sasanoa) that you could see if she can help with the cropping? or recommend a dobe owner closer?
 
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Are there any decent breeders in your area that you might try calling and ask for their professional help for a fee in reference to your dogs ears and postings. Then you could go for awhile till you get the hang of it and the dogs ears are progressing nicely. Probably would be less money than the vet and consistent, constructive advice. Explain your situation and how awful it has been for your pups.
If I couldn't find a reputable Doberman breeder, I would look for a breeder from another cropped breed.
 

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agree with waiting - is penny cary close enough (Sasanoa) that you could see if she can help with the cropping? or recommend a dobe owner closer?
I emailed Penny Friday and she said she would be back in a few days and would write me. She did say she would help. She's not too far, about 45 mins away. I have talked to her a few times over the past couple years. I am sappose to meet her at some shows. She offered to sign my DPCA Application and offered to me co-ownership of a nice male. Unfortunatly the sale of my first home had not gone through, and I missed out. She also saved me from buying a Kimbertal Puppy.
 

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The girls ears are looking about 95% better. Just the tips are not all the way healed, only a small scab. No more red eaither. I tried taping them to the tops of thier heads, but they pretty much standing. Except for the one tipping inwards. So I figured no harm can be done for now, as long as they don't fall forward. One of Rowens tips looks a bit wrinkled. And it tipping WAY in. Curling almost. I think maybe when I post strecthing might help. What do you guys think?

I'll post some new pictures in a bit

Rayna with her tipping ear


Rowen with her curling tip
 
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