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Hi thunderstorm and welcome to our site.thunderstorm said:I am the owner of Thunderstorm Dobermans . I would like to correct the statements made by " Dober kim " .
WE DO NOT bred Z factor dobermans . Nor do we just breed Kimbertal dogs ......lol . I invite you to study the pedigrees of our Doberman on our website , they are very well known euro lines, and not z factors. Our Stock is health tested with results on each of their individual pages . Two of our Doberman ARE titled In conformation , another is titled in work , and another youth who is shortly earning her national champion title . Just wanted to clear that up .
so lance- you deny that samantha's dog cyrus is a Z-factored dog? you deny speaking about this topic on other lists and how we had to explain to samantha what z-factored MEANT? do you think we are all as stupid as to believe that just because you dont have the dogs listed on your website, you didnt own them or breed them?thunderstorm said:I am the owner of Thunderstorm Dobermans . I would like to correct the statements made by " Dober kim " .
WE DO NOT bred Z factor dobermans . Nor do we just breed Kimbertal dogs ......lol . I invite you to study the pedigrees of our Doberman on our website , they are very well known euro lines, and not z factors. Our Stock is health tested with results on each of their individual pages . Two of our Doberman ARE titled In conformation , another is titled in work , and another youth who is shortly earning her national champion title . Just wanted to clear that up .
bet under 2 yearsdoberkim said:Lance, you never owned or bred or sold a puppy from a litter from:
(please notice the Z registration!)
Mistress Von Storm
WZ00549806
Doberman Pinscher / Black and Rust
Female / APR-06-2003
Tell me, how old was she when she was bred?
to international championships? thats it, right?thunderstorm said:I , myself showed and Recieved the Titles on both Thunder and on Rebecca.
its nice you health tested thunder after he was already bred.All the results of the complete health testing is listed on each of their pages of the website .
except for the litter you ALREADY bred -- notice you avoided addressing what you did in the past? are you denying that samantha bought a male from you that is z-factored? DID you own mistress von storm? where is she now, and how did you come about selling puppies from one of her litters?I do not own Mistress storm . I do not currently have or breed ONE single z factor, nor will I ever own one, or breed one in the future. We breed european Doberman .
really? then why do they have american breeders brokering their litters? why do they send dogs to america without checking a single thing out? sorry, responsible breeders dont ship litters overseas without approving homes. learning from huge kennels doesnt make you a great breeder lance -- you could have 50 dogs and still be doing the breed harm - just look at kimbertal -oops, you already bought one of their dogs!! looks like you are learning from the BEST!!!! being able to manage a huge kennel with as many dogs as altobello has, doesnt make them a good breeder.They are the farthest thing from brokers you would ever find . They are great people , and take great care of their kennels and lines . It is their life , and they take it very seriously !! I dont recall seeing you in Bratislava Slovakia at the IDC this year , or you and I could have had our words in person . I suppose I was across the Atlantic ocean , learning how to be a bad breeder huh *rolls eyes *?
wasnt chief black thunder your first doberman?I have been involved with doberman for 3 years , I have trained 6 , titled 2 in conformation , in the progress of titling 2 more in obediance . And would have already titled Thunder in work if there was a club anywhere close to here . Also 5 have trained & worked in bitework .
was this before or after you pumped out how many litters?I have assed many litters , and young dogs . Under the aprenticeship of two American protection trainers , a German breeder , and a Hungarian breeder as well . I think by now I know what I am looking at when I see it , I have learned a great deal along the way .
you have nothing to hide, except that you refuse to post thunders pedigree ON your website! i wonder why that is?I do not care if you want to go to the trouble of posting Thunders pedigree, I have nothing to hide . The proof is in the putting , he is an excellent Doberman .
Pedigrees are not as important as the actual specimen , and that dogs genetic potency .
no lance - the best thing i can do for the breed is accept that not every doberman is worthy of being bred. my dogs have worked in obedience and titled and my doberman is neutered. my credit is that i have protected the breed in that respect by realizing that only the best of the best need to be bred. my dogs have had many great qualities - but none of them overpower the fact that they have no business being bred.Kim do you have a program ? A website ....anything ? It easy for you to just pop in , say a few things , but yet not have any great credits yourself ( that I know of ) . I would be interested in knowing about you and your dogs, and their great qualities .