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I currently give Pala-Tech cranberry pills for my dog's urinary health. Would it be harmful to give one of those twice a day, ALONG WITH one of the nzymes Antioxidant treats twice daily?

Also, are there any particular enzymes that I should be getting? Any advice would be great.
 

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Are you trying to address a specific condition? Is this just-in-case, just-for-fun, 'cause you had a couple of extra bucks... or, is there something wrong?

I don't think what you suggest would be harmful, but neither do I think it would have much purpose. If you are giving cranberry due to repeated UTI's, there are better supplements (Solaray CranActin, for example). The Nzymes product... ground soybean sprouts, rice bran and negligable amounts of a few vitamins? I don't know what that is supposed to do, but my suspicion is that it actually does nothing. If I give an enzyme product, I want it to contain actual enzymes... I usually choose NOW Foods Super Enzymes.
 

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Hi,

Depending on what food you feed, SUPPOSEDLY, we do not have to supplement. I supplement just so I feel like I'm doing a bit extra. I feed Nupro Gold and either Probiotics or Greek yogurt with their kibble. They prefer the yogurt. It's like ice cream to them. They get about 1/3 cup of that with each evening meal. I used to supplement with fish oil and flax seed oil but stopped.

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Hi,

Depending on what food you feed, SUPPOSEDLY, we do not have to supplement. I supplement just so I feel like I'm doing a bit extra. I feed Nupro Gold and either Probiotics or Greek yogurt with their kibble. They prefer the yogurt. It's like ice cream to them. They get about 1/3 cup of that with each evening meal. I used to supplement with fish oil and flax seed oil but stopped.

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The yoghurt is great (I just discovered Greek yoghurt... yum!), but I tend to view the "kitchen sink" supplements with a skeptical eye. I have never seen an analysis of the Nupro products (how much of what is in there???), plus I tend to avoid giving flax to carnivores. Flax can be a big issue with animals prone to grain intolerance, and the form of Omega 3 fatty acids it contains is neither as available or as useful as a more dietarily appropriate supplement such as cold water fish body oil.
 

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i give the Yogurt in the AM and Sardines in he PM,,, helped alot with skin issues ... i also give Fish Oil
 

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Hi. I give the cranberry pills because of UTI issues. She's had a couple. Like KCFilley said, I want to give enzymes or Antioxidants just so I am doing a little something extra. Unfortunately, I feed Pro Plan, because when my girl was younger, she couldn't handle taste of the wild. Feeding pro plan does not provide vital nutrients, Im sure, as no kibble (i would suspect) does. A little extra to help is all I am trying to do.

Additionally, I am thinking about feeding BLUE. I am wondering if she has "grown up enough" to handle that now.
 

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Hi. I give the cranberry pills because of UTI issues. She's had a couple. Like KCFilley said, I want to give enzymes or Antioxidants just so I am doing a little something extra. Unfortunately, I feed Pro Plan, because when my girl was younger, she couldn't handle taste of the wild. Feeding pro plan does not provide vital nutrients, Im sure, as no kibble (i would suspect) does. A little extra to help is all I am trying to do.

Additionally, I am thinking about feeding BLUE. I am wondering if she has "grown up enough" to handle that now.
I think if you want cranberry for therapeutic purposes, you'd be better of with the CranActin (one or two a day). If you did not spay prior to your girl's first season and if the UTI's occurred before her first season, you might not need to use anything... often, immature bitches will self-correct the structural predisposition to UTI's with their first heat cycle.

The other supplement won't hurt anything, but I don't know how beneficial it will be, either. If you can afford it and it makes you feel better...

I know a lot of people like ProPlan, but I am not a huge fan of kibble, at all, and think you could do better. Just because a food is an excellent kibble does not mean that it is the best kibble for every dog. Had it been me and had TOTW not worked well, I would have kept trying other foods. I have recommended Blue Wilderness for multitudes of large and small, baby and older puppies... most of them do great, and the occasional one does not. It is a better food than ProPlan (unless your particular dog has a flax issue), so I would give it a try. If it isn't the right food for your dog, try another of the super-premiums.

Lots of dogs, specifically those who have been deemed to be "sensitive," tend to be strictly kept on the one thing that hasn't caused them a problem. Lack of variety results in dietary inflexibility which can make switching foods sometimes difficult. I think that this is not so much a problem with the dog, but a problem with the strict adherance to very little or no variety in the diet. If you think about it, it is not normal or natural for a dog to consume the same food each and every day.

If you are worried about dietary "holes" due to feeding kibble, I think a good plan is to rotate often (daily is fine) between several different very good foods... different manufacturers, different primary proteins, etc. In most cases, this means spending more since you will want to buy smaller quantities. It is best if you have freezer space if you are going to have a kibble open for more than three weeks to a month.
 

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My male had dilute urine, a UTI and a pH > 8.0. He went on ab and it cleared up. My alternative vet said to feed him 1 tablespoon of orange peel daily. He said I can reduce it to 1/2 that amount now.

What I do is I peel I orange cut in quarters. I then cut each peel section in half and put it in a small container in the fridge.

Each morning, I take one piece and cut it into strips about 1/4" wide. I gather the strips into a single pile and using a sharp knife, I thinly slice it quickly and throw it in his food (rice and chicken mince). He likes it. The first day he poked at it but I learned to slice it thinner. Now he eats any bit that gets dropped. He no longer has any UTI issues or weak looking urine - haven't had him checked in a couple of months. He no longer has accidents either. I don't know if just the outer part was wanted, but I do know that the best part of the orange is in the pith (antioxidants) so that's why I use the whole skin.

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Each dog gets 1 B100 daily, plus 2 x 1000mg fish oil capsules twice a day. The one that is allergic to soy gets Salmon Oil capsules since it doesn't contain soy products like the fish oil capsules do. The oldies get glucosamine from Costco - 2 twice daily.
 

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If you havent read the thread, Sardines, Good for Allergies, please do. I dont think you can give anything with more benefits in one package than the sardine. There is a link posted on the last page or two to an article by a canine nutritionest about all the benefits sardines have. I have cut back to one or two sardines a day, depending on size. I also give mornings after meals, 1200 mgs fish oil, 500 mgs vit C(antioxidant, builds cartilage) 250 mgs magnesium, 200 mgs Co Q10(both for heart health, fish oil, too) 1 1/2 pills glucosamine chrondrotin w/MSM. After evening meal I give two 1200 mgs fish oil, 400 iu vit E(antioxidant, must be given when supplimenting w/fish oil), 500 mgs vit C, 1 glucosamine chrondrotin/MSM. Now that I have started these, I am incapable of stopping. My vet did say I was taking very good care of Parker and particularly liked the magnesium, dont remember if she said other suppliment or not. I give most all for heart health and "I" feel better for it. Take most myself, too.:)
 

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Drat, forgot to mention, on Monday and Friday mornings I give a vit B complex instead of vit C. The B complex has 500 mgs vit C, so that is the reason I dont give the C on those mornings.
 

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we give nuvet plus to our dogs and while its not cheap, I noticed an almost imediate improvement in my chihuahua's coat which was horrible to say the least, prior to using it. I think she has allergies because she was constantly chewing at her coat and it was looking terrible, this seems to have helped her alot. It has alot of really good stuff in it, my only complaint is that its expensive, other than that it appears to have alot of really good stuff in it. You can only buy it online though and you need a breeder referral.
 

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If you havent read the thread, Sardines, Good for Allergies, please do. I dont think you can give anything with more benefits in one package than the sardine. There is a link posted on the last page or two to an article by a canine nutritionest about all the benefits sardines have. I have cut back to one or two sardines a day, depending on size. I also give mornings after meals, 1200 mgs fish oil, 500 mgs vit C(antioxidant, builds cartilage) 250 mgs magnesium, 200 mgs Co Q10(both for heart health, fish oil, too) 1 1/2 pills glucosamine chrondrotin w/MSM. After evening meal I give two 1200 mgs fish oil, 400 iu vit E(antioxidant, must be given when supplimenting w/fish oil), 500 mgs vit C, 1 glucosamine chrondrotin/MSM. Now that I have started these, I am incapable of stopping. My vet did say I was taking very good care of Parker and particularly liked the magnesium, dont remember if she said other suppliment or not. I give most all for heart health and "I" feel better for it. Take most myself, too.:)
Mine get sardines twice a week as their meal - Wed & Sundays. The sardines are about 8-9" long and come from CA. I buy them in boxes of 50lb thru a bait store here in Portland. They eat them raw and frozen and whole.
 

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Thanks. I think I will try Sardines. I just want to make sure i am doing all i can to promote good health in my dogs.
 
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Ch4sure, the Nuvet vitamins may have been only with breeder reference at one time, but my groomer friend was pushing them at her shop at one time. She finally gave up on them because they wouldnt sell there. I hate it because so many byb make giving them a must for any health guarantee to be good, knowing they get a kickback for selling them, a conflict of interest. Did you try to find a different food for your dog that agreed with her more? Certainly sounds like they were a big help to your dog.
 
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