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A thread for newbies, proffesionals, and overall discussions on rally :)

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Any tips for a newbie? I want to enter mabel soonish, she has a solid regular competition obedience foundation minus the stand for exams (the exam part) but rally is pretty much foreign to me and what i've seen so far of the signs gets me rather confused...they just seem so redundant.

Any moves that aren't in your beginner novice through excellent classes? (before open and utility style stuff)
 
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I love talking about Rally, but I only know about AKC rally.
Some of the signs are redundant for the sake of laying out a course (right/left) and also to build skills for the next level (Figure 8s with and without distractions, Halt-Turn vs Halt/Pivot - which I find redundant if you just train a pivot, but that is another story.)

What do you mean: "Any moves that aren't in your beginner novice through excellent classes? (before open and utility style stuff)"? BN Obed has a sit-for-exam, Nov Obed has stand-for-exam but AKC Rally never has the judge put his/her hands on the dog. Or are you looking for things you'd do in Rally that you'd never do in Obed?
Yes to the bold, just wondering if there is anything new to train, like I know for example there is a "back up" sign

And yea, the like stop halt stop or something like that, i overthink them they are so redundant. I just stare at it like...ok this can't be that complicated?...or is it lol
 

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Well, I'm not sure which sign you mean there, but there are some signs that seem to overstate and others that seem to say something other than what it means. ie, inconsistencies. ;)

The Send To Jump is at an angle/in a way that you wouldn't do in Obed.

You don't do a German Left (in AKC Rally called Left About Turn) in AKC Obed, but you do in SchH.

The Leave Dog 2 Steps Call to Heel isn't something you'd do in Obed, and there's plenty of interpretation on how that one is supposed vs allowed to be executed.

There's also stuff where the rules say things, people interpret multiple ways, and then the AKC puts it in the newsletters to the judges on how they expect them to judge it, so it's helpful/useful to read those.
Good things to know,
I know when I was talking to the judge (who teaches other judges) he was saying that even he gets what we mean about the signs and that when they're done by people behind a desk who don't compete, if they even have a dog that's where a lot of the redundancy and weird phrasing comes from.

Any tips on teaching the back up? she seems to think it means sit since that's her auto feature.

Her stand right now she pops the front of me from my side but I can fix that :p

Isn't there one in the Execellent level, where you have to turn in a circle and have the dog go backwards? Or should I go to bed and come back tomorrow lol, I'm trying to remember what I saw two weekends ago when I stewarded.
 

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I taught Emily back up next to the couch in my living room. You can use a wall too. In fact, I will use a wall for a tune up before a class that has a back up in it. I show RE and I am not familar with the turn in a circle and back up. There is a station where you are in forward motion and you have to back up 3 steps and then move on. Also there is a go to front and back up one, then two, then three steps. You can download all the new signs from the AKC site or you can buy the book. Think they run around $7 or $8. Reccomended reading for sure. Good Luck in your Rally ventures.

I saw this one(the circle thing), and hmm it's probably like Rosemary said, it just looks like a circle from outside the ring.

As to the bold, yea I saw that in the RE class my friend got her title from, i've tried the couch for the back up...auto sit, it's helping nicely on our stand command applying to next to me not auto in front of me.
The one judge was suggesting to start from the base and work on a stand by using your opposite of dog leg to touch their toes or belly so they stand, then move to taking one step back for a week or so with a massive party and build from there...or something like that. I never have a pen and paper when I need it lol.

We have all the beginner signs printed out, and I'll probably invest in the book as well as print off all the reg.'s

Thanks for all the help everyone, I guarantee I'll be overthinking and making it more complicated than necessary as I usually do lol
 

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Thanks for all the support and help guys :)

It's just so foreign to me and obedience has always been about specifics and remembering not reading lol

I know some aren't until excellent but I'd like to be prepared for all levels since the beginner we pretty much are and that's just my style for this sort of thing. We have all the beginner signs printed out (another one of my mothers begun and unfinished hannah training ideas :rolleyesww:) I'll have to pull them out and see. Then we have a drop in rally class I am off work for this coming Monday after Hannahs "obedience" class. Maybe I'll run her through.

Thanks again guys.

Any general tips and tricks you've learned? Personal problem areas?

It's not just me that can benefit :)
 

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I finally got around to printing out the UKC Rally rules and signs. (Methinks me needs a new color cartridge. :D) Figured I'd go ahead and learn them too, just in case there is an event around my neck of the woods. While most of them are pretty much the same, there are a few things that are different, like the spirals not being done in the same pattern. They also have one that seems pretty confusing where you leave your dog, you run a few steps, and then call the dog to front while you are running. Really? That sounds.... difficult.
Yes and no, have you ever done a run away from your pup as it's coming to help reinforce come? Or done a backwards run/skip to reinforce a close fast front?
It's the same thing, it's honestly a training trick of mine :D

I bet you're overthinking it....like I do with most of the signs :p
 
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