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Scudamore, Catawba, and Toledobes?

I like the look of all of their dogs. I know that Toledobes is in Nevada, but hubby is out there a lot and it may actually be easier to get one of their dog and bring it home then get down to NC where scudamore is.

MaryJo do you know susan Miller at catawba? I love the square faces on her doberkids.

does anybody have any info on the others. I would like to learn to show and get a good show pup sometime in the next year.

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Scudamore, Catawba, and Toledobes?

I like the look of all of their dogs. I know that Toledobes is in Nevada, but hubby is out there a lot and it may actually be easier to get one of their dog and bring it home then get down to NC where scudamore is.

MaryJo do you know susan Miller at catawba? I love the square faces on her doberkids.

does anybody have any info on the others. I would like to learn to show and get a good show pup sometime in the next year.

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Well..Toledobes is one of the oldest active doberman breeding programs left, Judy Doniere has been breeding dobermans for over 50 years. She's very pro active about health testing-in fact, she's a distributor for Alba Holter Monitors.

However, she doesn't do that much breeding anymore, and there's generally a pretty long waiting list for her puppies, due to the reputation of Ch. Toledobes Serenghetti (99 All Breed BIS wins).

I know she has a litter on the ground right now-but I doubt she'll have another litter after that for 2-3 years..she doesn't have that many breedable bitches left.

I wouldn't count on traveling to Las Vegas to pick a puppy up from her..due to her judging schedule, Judy doesnt actually whelp the litters anymore, that's done by co owners..so puppy buyers would wind up traveling to wherever the co owner might live..her current litter was whelped and is being raised in Ohio.

Mary Jo can probably tell you more about the Catawba dogs, it's a fairly new breeding program, with the dogs staying primarily on the east coast. The only thing I'll say about them is a friend of mine (an experienced show home) made an inquiry about a show prospect to them last year, and was sent pictures of puppies she was attempting to sell as show prospects. We weren't impressed. Then about a month later, she sent pics of another puppy from the same litter of MUCH better quality..making us wonder why she sent the first pics to begin with-was she willing to sell them as show prospects to someone who didn't know any better? It was just kind of a weird situation, and one my friend decided not to get involved with.

Scudamore has been around for awhile, but I don't know that they could be considered a breeding program that produces viable show prospects on any consistent basis.
 

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what about goldgrove? they are about 15 minutes from my parents house. I don't think they have had many litters in the past few years however.
 

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thanks Murreydobe. I appreciate the insights. that is kind of bizarre about Catawba, I wonder if it was a mistake or really trying to palm off a sub-par dog?
 

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Sharon Pflueger and her partner Tamra Rabold (Goldgrove) are in North Carolina. Sharon is a long time breeder and has bred some dogs that I really liked but I think that her breeding program is very limited these days.
 

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that is kind of bizarre about Catawba, I wonder if it was a mistake or really trying to palm off a sub-par dog?
I couldn't say for sure. You'd think if it was a mistake, some explanation would have been given at the very least. That didn't happen, leaving my friend to form their own conclusion.

I hate to sound like the Spelling Police, but I could never buy a dog from someone who misspells conformation and temperament on their website. :)
 

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I hate to sound like the Spelling Police, but I could never buy a dog from someone who misspells conformation and temperament on their website. :)

I know what you mean - I won't even interview anybody with a typo on their resume.....

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I don't know Susan Miller personally although we do say "Hi" to each other at shows........so I guess she at least knows who I am - LOL!

I see her dogs in the ring around here sometimes, but I don't really know much about her breeding program.
 

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Casino rarely breeds (in fact she currently has her first litter in YEARS on the ground) and I doubt she will have another one in the near future.

Purely for my own knowledge, did Sharon Pfleuger have some association with Hoytt at some point, or am I mistaken there?
 

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Sharon and Tammy were showing a Hoytt bitch a couple of years ago (I believe they finished her in Canada but not positive), and made some lame-ass attempts to justify it by saying that people deserve to be mentored. I'm sure it made a huge difference.
 

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Before I got Buddy, I looked at Kimbertal Kennels and Hoytt Kennels what is the input on those kennels know they have been around for years & years,just being nosy.
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Patches Mom said:
Before I got Buddy, I looked at Kimbertal Kennels and Hoytt Kennels what is the input on those kennels know they have been around for years & years,just being nosy.
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They are commercial kennels, the key motivator of their breeding being profit.

They breed Dobermans to be purposely oversized which, IMO, shows a blatant disregard and lack of caring for the breed.

Very little, if any, health testing.

"Guarantees" that protect the kennel, not the buyer and certainly not the dog.

That's about it in a nutshell, although I could go on for a while ....
 
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