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My two precious Dobes were placed into a 7 month quarrantine period from November 2009 until they left south africa in June of 2010. I was devastated to learn they had both been starved. My male went from 48kg to a mere 27kg and looked gaunt. My female went from 40kg, to 25kg. Even worse was the fact that I rescued both of them from horribly abusive homes when they were only a year old. They are our children. My husband and I do not have two-legged children. I have tried to upload a photo of Tosca to show you the condition he was in, but for some reason am unable to do so. I sent a vet out to see the children when they arrived in Sydney, as the Kennels were shocked at their condition. The vet reports state that Tosca's body condition was 2/9...I wanted to throw up. Suffice to say that now he seems to be going into liver failure due to his horrific starvation, and I am truly scared of what the future holds for all of us. I am torn apart by guilt that I trusted an apparently above board quarrantine kennel to house my most precious gift, unfortunately, there are only two quarrantine kennels in south africa. Neither of them have really been the same since they came home. Tomorrow is yet another trip to the vet, a new vet this time who can hopefully give me some answers to my questions. I hold my precious boy in a huge hug, and wish that all this had never happened, but it has and the nightmare is continuing. I am a Registered Nurse and Registered Midwife, so I am used to sickness and death, but the misery on the face of my adored red Dobe, is beyond heartbreaking........Helen ....mum to Tosca and Kela
 

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So sorry to hear about your dobes! What a horrible thing to have to go through, for you and your pets :( Are the kennels being prosecuted? Did the vets say its purely down to starvation from not feeding enough, or were they not eating due to stress/other medical issues which were caused by the kennels?

Please keep us up to date with their progress.
 

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My two precious Dobes were placed into a 7 month quarrantine period from November 2009 until they left south africa in June of 2010.
Am I reading this wrong, or was it over two years since you saw your dogs last? What a horrific story. I didn't realize the quarantine period was for so long, when I moved to Germany, my dogs only had to be quarantined for 45 days. It may be different due to my having been in the military, but still... 7 months seems excessive at the least, and two years seems horrific.
 

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Am I reading this wrong, or was it over two years since you saw your dogs last? What a horrific story. I didn't realize the quarantine period was for so long, when I moved to Germany, my dogs only had to be quarantined for 45 days. It may be different due to my having been in the military, but still... 7 months seems excessive at the least, and two years seems horrific.
Getting into NZ from the USA is 6 months at the very minimum if everything goes perfectly (rabies vaccine stuff etc.). South Africa has more diseases that we don't have than America, so could be even longer.
 

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I dont understand what you are saying. According to your dates, they have been out of quarantine for a year and a half...You saying the male is now going into liver failure because of this? I dont know if you can prove that is responsible for his liver condition. Dobermans can inherit CAH, chronic active hepatitis. It is a breed problem. I am very sorry your kids suffered at the hands of uncaring people for so very long, tragic.
 

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Getting into NZ from the USA is 6 months at the very minimum if everything goes perfectly (rabies vaccine stuff etc.). South Africa has more diseases that we don't have than America, so could be even longer.
My gosh, I had no idea it was still that long. You'd think with modern science and vaccinations, that the quarantine periods wouldn't be so long. I guess modern science still has yet to cure the common cold though, so I shouldn't be so shocked.
 

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If you are a member of the EU and have a Pet Passport showing your dog has had its vaccinations (Rabies in particular) and that it has passed a blood test you are free to take a dog back and forth to your hearts content, while ever the Passport, Vaccinations are in date.
If you are entering any country that doesn't have such an arrangement I believe the quarantine is 6 months plus.

I am so sorry for you and your dogs, we trust these kennels to take care of our dogs, the only thing I can say to someone thinking of moving is, place your dogs in the kennels before you go, as in well in advance so you can visit them and check on their condition etc. It is what my friend did when she placed her animals in quarantine to go to Australia (she was in Saudi at the outset).

Regards the liver problem, is your vet saying it is a direct result of being starved? Is he willing to go on record and say this? The timings you list seem a long ways back, at first I thought this thread was an old one. But I checked and he date it was posted is today. Am I missing something?

Hope the dog gets well soon.
 

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I'm not understanding the timeline on all this, either, OP.

If you could clarify a bit, maybe folks will have more suggestions for you.
 

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I'm very sorry to hear that your dogs were in such poor condition after quarantine. What did the facility have to say about their condition? Some dogs will will stress and go off their food after being kenneled for so long, even though food is being offered daily.
 

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Hi all,
Sorry, when I wrote that bit of the story last night I was crying and I guess I did not make myself clear. Yes, both kids came out of quarrantine at Eastern Creek in Sydney last year in june. While they were still in quarantine, I asked a private vet to assess them and at that stage his liver was already damaged....so to me is has been a natural conclusion that this is the result of his abuse. I detest the owner of that establishment for what she did to my Dobes, and they were definately starved as once they arrived in Sydney and were actually given some food, they both gained weight beautifully. The kennels sent me photos when I begged for them, and I noted that both children were terribly thin, but I was told by the owner of the kennels, and by the pet company who were going to crate the kids for their flight from SA, that they were absolutely fine and it was a figment of my imagination that they were thin. I am (still) so very angry with the owner of the kennel and as much as it may seem absurd, I DO blame her for his current condition......be it feasible or not.
At this point, it seems the liver is the least of our problems as this morning while waiting for the new vet to see my Boy, he had a grand mal seizure lasting several minutes which is the most distressing thing I have ever seen. My hubby and I sat with him for four hours while they tried to stabilise him. But he is now having cluster seizures, starting today for goodness sake.....as if the darling boy does not have enough on his little plate. He is currently still in the animal hospital while they stabilise him with phenobarbitol.
I know that the more level-headed amongst you all are approaching this subject using your heads and not your hearts as I am, and therefore you find my anger towards the owner of the kennels as perhaps too much after all this time, especially as there is no indication really that the starvation did cause permanent organ damage. However, the woman still to this day, insists that the healthy weight for a large male Dobe, is 30kg.
I initiated a full scale investigation against the quarantine kennels when I saw the horrific condition of my Dobes....... it is still all over the internet. The Director of the South African Veterinary Association ran an investigation as well as the SPCA and the police.
I did not receive any final reports from any of them as the two children had already left the country and were not there to be examined. All assured me however that the kennel would be under strict control and she would never do that to another precious pet waiting to join its family in another country. I did not want any financial reparation from the woman, I chose instead to expose her and her dodgy animal care, I could not care less about the money in this situation..... you cannot put a price on the heads of my kids.
I appreciate all who have remarked on our story, and I hope I have made the situation a little clearer. I am trying to change the photo format from bitmap to jpeg in order to upload them. Helen
 

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I have clicked on the bitmap images I uploaded into my gallery, and the pictures then show...but you have to click on them. I am unable to change the format of the photos as they were taken as evidence by the quarrantine kennels and I only have them in the format in which they were sent.
 

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I have clicked on the bitmap images I uploaded into my gallery, and the pictures then show...but you have to click on them. I am unable to change the format of the photos as they were taken as evidence by the quarrantine kennels and I only have them in the format in which they were sent.
You can upload the images to this website: Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket and you can copy and paste the IMG link to a post, it will automatically display the picture.

I can only see two pictures, both dobes look in good condition (could lose 2-5lbs IMO), are those the 'before' photos?
 

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As to your current situation, does your vet think these are hepatic seizures?

I'm wondering about his liver handling the phenobarb, too. Very sad situation, sorry your friend is in so much distress, hope they get him stabilized soon.
 

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You can upload the images to this website: Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket and you can copy and paste the IMG link to a post, it will automatically display the picture.

I can only see two pictures, both dobes look in good condition (could lose 2-5lbs IMO), are those the 'before' photos?
Click on the first two pictures which have some blue image before clicking on them. The dogs are way too skinny. Yes, it looks like they starved them. Sorry.
 

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Yes, the two blue images are the bitmap photos.....but if you click on them you are able to view the images....
 

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Hi DogsR4life....... yes the photos of the two of them looking fat were taken on the day that we drove them up to the quarrantine kennels. I am extremely thankful that they
were both overweight as I am certain they would have died if they had been any skinnier. They have both always loved their food. My husband and I have been rescuing Dobes for 18 years, and apart from some of the more serious rescued Dobes that were too ill to survive, they have proved repeatedly to be a breed with a healthy appetite and none of our babies have ever been picky eaters.:)
 

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Today Tosca remains non-responsive in hospital. Vet just called to say that he is now febrile yet his pathology was clear yesterday...so more blood tests today to ascertain the cause of the PUO. Remains on IV fluids, top shelf IV antibiotics and phenobarbital. Remains NPO until vet has conferred with Specialist in Brisbane. So my hubby and I can only hurry up and wait.......and pray. Helen
 

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I just clicked on the blue images :( Who can think that body weight is acceptable??? I hope you can sue, or do something about the company. Sorry, to hear you are going through this.
 
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