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I just got back from the vet with my dog Sascha. She is 13 weeks old. She has hair loss on her back and bumps all over her spine that are spreading. I first noticed a few bumps last week, thought they were bug bites. They have since popped up everywhere like crazy. Probably hundreds along her back. She is eating Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach (Salmon and Rice).

The vet seemed to think it was allergies but honestly did not seem certain and was generally no help. She does not have inflamed ears and doesn't lick her toes or have any bumps on her groin region- all stuff that'd usually signal an allergy.

Does anyone else have experience with something like this? Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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Hi pess. Welcome from the Pacific NW

First, medical advice by a nonprofessional over the internet is sketchy at best.

That being said (and I am not a vet), I would also suspect a staph infection. Staph infections are relatively common in Dobe puppies due to a still developing immune system. The symptoms can vary in severity quite a bit. From a couple of bumps to a major inflammation. As a result, treatment can vary in intensity. Staphylococcus is a bacteria, so treatment, if necessary, generally involves a specific antibiotic regime. In more advanced cases, a fairly longterm use of oral meds, may also include a medicated shampoo and/or a topical skin cream, ointment or salve. The trick like any bacterial infection is to treat it properly and to the extent that it is completely eradicated. You want a vet who is familiar with its diagnosis and treatment. Most of our pups have had staph to some degree. A few bumps often goes away on its own as the puppy matures. But in an advancing case, treatment is really required to stem its spread.

The one thing that surprises me is how many vets don't suspect or recognize a staph infection when they see it. Also, it seems to me that some vets also minimize the course of treatment, only to have the infection return with a vengeance.

I would not let this go. And if you don't get satisfactory results from your family veterinarian, I would see a dermatology specialist.

Again... I am not a vet and this is just a thought.

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Sorry another non-professional who thinks it really looks like a staph infection and would be asking for a referral to a good vet dermatologist/allergist.

Might be a little more expensive initially but it usually is cheaper in the long run to get answers from a vet who is looking at stuff like that on a daily basis

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Hi pess. Welcome from the Pacific NW

First, medical advice by a nonprofessional over the internet is sketchy at best.

That being said (and I am not a vet), I would also suspect a staph infection. Staph infections are relatively common in Dobe puppies due to a still developing immune system. The symptoms can vary in severity quite a bit. From a couple of bumps to a major inflammation. As a result, treatment can vary in intensity. Staphylococcus is a bacteria, so treatment, if necessary, generally involves a specific antibiotic regime. In more advanced cases, a fairly longterm use of oral meds, may also include a medicated shampoo and/or a topical skin cream, ointment or salve. The trick like any bacterial infection is to treat it properly and to the extent that it is completely eradicated. You want a vet who is familiar with its diagnosis and treatment. Most of our pups have had staph to some degree. A few bumps often goes away on its own as the puppy matures. But in an advancing case, treatment is really required to stem its spread.

The one thing that surprises me is how many vets don't suspect or recognize a staph infection when they see it. Also, it seems to me that some vets also minimize the course of treatment, only to have the infection return with a vengeance.

I would not let this go. And if you don't get satisfactory results from your family veterinarian, I would see a dermatology specialist.

Again... I am not a vet and this is just a thought.

John Lichtwardt
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Thank you so much for your reply. I actually picked up a bottle of medicated antibacterial/antiseptic shampoo and treated her with it today- couldn't stand seeing her suffer like this and the vet recommended Benadryl didn't help. I will definitely look into seeing a dermatologist. Again, thank you.
 

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Attached are photos of her "cleaned up" after the medicated shampoo- unfortunately you can have a better look at what's going on now that there is no hair there...
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This still looks like staph to me and since people are complaining about not being able to get appointments with even general practice vets for weeks and longer than that for specialists.

Find some shampoo that contains chlorhexadine (either 2% or 4% either one will work) and try bathing her in that. I'd try a couple of time the first week And then continue every week until you can get her in to see a Dermatologist. What color is she really--the close ups all look likie she's a blue but there is one picture you posted at the very beginning where she looks black. If's she's blue and any vet (including a dermatologist) tries to tell you it's because she's a dilute color (blue and fawn are) and they are prone to CDA ( color dilution alopecia)--13 week old puppies don't lose hair like that because of CDA. In older puppies maybe but usually it doesn't show up until the dogs are more like 2 to 3 years.

If that is staph it looks like a bad enough case that she should be on antibiotics and it may take a fairly long course of them to get rid of it entirely as John pointed out.

Good luck with this...

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Weighing in because @dobebug and others gave me the same advice and it was spot on.

Here in DC, I have to wait until Oct 25 to see a vet derm within 75 miles. But, I was able to bully my vet into prescribing an antibiotic explaining (with photos) that waiting so long would give me a bald dog. She gave me 21 days worth and Beau takes the last pill tomorrow. I have also been bathing him with the shampoo containing Chlorhexidine as mentioned above but not as frequently as I should. I have seen improvement and, more than that, a cessation of the creep of the rash. It started down his spine then crept down his sides. I am wondering if I should ask for another 2 weeks of antibiotics so as not to lose progress.

Here is the shot I posted for advice and sent to my vet and a shot from today for comparison. Good luck!!
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Weighing in because @dobebug and others gave me the same advice and it was spot on.

Here in DC, I have to wait until Oct 25 to see a vet derm within 75 miles. But, I was able to bully my vet into prescribing an antibiotic explaining (with photos) that waiting so long would give me a bald dog. She gave me 21 days worth and Beau takes the last pill tomorrow. I have also been bathing him with the shampoo containing Chlorhexidine as mentioned above but not as frequently as I should. I have seen improvement and, more than that, a cessation of the creep of the rash. It started down his spine then crept down his sides. I am wondering if I should ask for another 2 weeks of antibiotics so as not to lose progress.

Here is the shot I posted for advice and sent to my vet and a shot from today for comparison. Good luck!!
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That looks like a fairly substantial improvement MM--I'd probably see if I couldn't nag your regular vet into another two to three weeks of antibiotics and keep bathing him. It's the pits when you get something like staph half cleared up and then get a big set back because some vet doesn't know that Dobe puppies are notorious for early staph infections because their immune systems are simply slow to mature and then don't want to prescribe antibiotics (or even enough antibiotics) to clear it up completely. Then you end up having to repeat the whole process.

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That looks like a fairly substantial improvement MM--I'd probably see if I couldn't nag your regular vet into another two to three weeks of antibiotics and keep bathing him. It's the pits when you get something like staph half cleared up and then get a big set back because some vet doesn't know that Dobe puppies are notorious for early staph infections because their immune systems are simply slow to mature and then don't want to prescribe antibiotics (or even enough antibiotics) to clear it up completely. Then you end up having to repeat the whole process.

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Thank you! Yes, I am on hold with the vet now attempting to do just that. I sent the updated photo but, of course, the prescribing vet is ooo until the 22nd. I am asking for another 3 weeks….UPDATE - they said no. :(
BUT THEN, emailed to state they gave me another 21 days of antibiotics. I guess it pays to be a pain in the ass??
@dobebug my biggest question for you is why am I seeing this in Beau at a year? I thought for sure he would be too old by now for this.

@pessimisticromantic start bathing right now and don’t be afraid to harangue your vet. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Thank you! Yes, I am on hold with the vet now attempting to do just that. I sent the updated photo but, of course, the prescribing vet is ooo until the 22nd. I am asking for another 3 weeks….UPDATE - they said no. :(
BUT THEN, emailed to state they gave me another 21 days of antibiotics. I guess it pays to be a pain in the ass??
@dobebug my biggest question for you is why am I seeing this in Beau at a year? I thought for sure he would be too old by now for this.

@pessimisticromantic start bathing right now and don’t be afraid to harangue your vet. :ROFLMAO:
I donno'--every dratted puppy is different the; worst case of staph I ever had on any of my many Dobes started when the dog was almost 14 months old--and on antibiotics and chlorhexidine baths it took almost 4 months to clear up. On the other hand my fawn dog had one very brief, limited bout of staph when he was around 5 months--got a couple of weeks of chlorhexadine baths and no antibiotics and it cleared up never to reappear--he's also the dog who retained a full coat all of his 14 years.

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It's the pits when you get something like staph half cleared up and then get a big set back because some vet doesn't want to prescribe antibiotics (or even enough antibiotics) to clear it up completely. Then you end up having to repeat the whole process.

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Starting a course of antibiotics and not continuing it until the staph is all gone can also cause an overgrowth of MRSA. The less resistant staph is killed off quickly, but if the antibiotics are not continued long enough to kill the most resistant, they are what comes back--and you can end up with a resistant more difficult to treat strain causing the problem.
 

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Starting a course of antibiotics and not continuing it until the staph is all gone can also cause an overgrowth of MRSA. The less resistant staph is killed off quickly, but if the antibiotics are not continued long enough to kill the most resistant, they are what comes back--and you can end up with a resistant more difficult to treat strain causing the problem.
Well, I am glad I was able to exercise my…..ummm….charm and get another 3 weeks of twice-daily antibiotics. Here’s to being a grade A PITA. :giggle:
 

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Hi guys- just thought I would pop back in with an update. So, we never did figure out really what it was that caused this. I took Sascha to work with me (groom shop) and used our special skin care and hair regrowth shampoo and conditioner every other day until I could get her in to the vet a week later. By the time I got her there, it only looked like dry flaky skin and the coat was starting to grow back in. I was prescribed about 4 weeks worth of 500 mg Cephalexin to take twice daily, Dermachlor to wash her in, and an Omega 3 vitamin supplement.We just finished off our antibiotics a few days ago.

Anyways the combination of treatments has worked- she looks totally normal and like this never even happened. Thank you for all your advice- it has been much appreciated.

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When I first got my girl I tried everything besides antibiotics because she was only 15weeks and I wanted to avoid it if possible, as did my vet. I tried the most expensive foods, for months and months with no luck. Tried the baths and the benedryl. The only thing that worked, was switching to a raw diet. Within 2 weeks her bumps had cleared completely. About a year later I was taking her on a cross country road trip and we were camping, so I switched to kibble hoping it would be ok. She seemed great, no issues at all.. within a couple of months her bumps were back. She’s been on raw ever since!
 
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