Ok what are Satin Balls for us new Dobe people.
Thanks ahead of time.
Patches Mom
Thanks ahead of time.
Patches Mom
Satin Balls
I noticed in another thread that Codysmom mentioned Satin Balls. I make these for my dogs sometimes. What other things do you do to help put weight on and increase appetite. I think my dogs get "to much" excercise if there is such a thing. I am constantly trying to keep their weight up.
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Me too,I thought Rom had got a problem for a moment 
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Satin balls are a high calorie meat ball. They are made with hamburger, oatmeal, eggs, oil, wheat germ etc... There are lot's of different recipes.
BiB take a look at the food Natural GO, it has over 600 calories per cup of food and for a 70 lb active dog you only have to feed 3 cups. Most foods are about 350-450 calories per cup. There website is www.petcurean.com I think going with a high performance food might help...just a suggestion.
I have the opposite concern - I don't want Java to put excess weight on. I see far too many dogs at the DP that look like stuffed sausages and worry (well worry isn't quite the right word) that once she puts weight on, it will never come off. I try and remember that dog treats count as food as well. However, I don't think Java is getting the same kind of work-out that Rommel is w/ all of the obedience training he is doing.
When I adopted Rudi he was a skinny boy. Barely 55 lbs, hip bones stuck out about an inch and you could see his entire spine along his back. I started to whip him up batches of satin balls (now known in my house as Rudi Burgers or RB's, Arby's....LOL) You can't say Rudi Burger or he goes nuts......that why we try to slyly say R-B's. LOL
I go by this recipe: from http://theherbs.info/Pets/satinball.html
Satin Balls Half Recipe -- recommended amount to mix up
5 lbs cheap hamburger (for high fat %)
1/2 large box Total cereal (high vitamin cereal) (about 6 cups cereal)
1/2 large box uncooked oatmeal (about 7.5 cups oats)
5 raw eggs
1/2 of 15oz jar wheat germ (about 2 cups)
5 packages Knox unflavored gelatin
5/8 cup vegetable oil (this is pretty close to 2/3 cup)
5/8 cup unsulphered molasses
pinch of salt
The half recipe, using hamburger that is 20% fat calories, has 12,400 calories. The last batch I made ended up making 22 patties, so each has about 560 calories.
I slowly put weight on him (20 lbs over 1 1/2 years) because I didn't want to put too much weight on too fast. I now add other things to the recipe like brown rice, scrambled eggs, extra non-flavored gelatin, yogurt or cottage cheese) then form them into patties and freeze them, nuke it for 1 minute and break it up in his bowl.
Yum! Yum!
I go by this recipe: from http://theherbs.info/Pets/satinball.html
Satin Balls Half Recipe -- recommended amount to mix up
5 lbs cheap hamburger (for high fat %)
1/2 large box Total cereal (high vitamin cereal) (about 6 cups cereal)
1/2 large box uncooked oatmeal (about 7.5 cups oats)
5 raw eggs
1/2 of 15oz jar wheat germ (about 2 cups)
5 packages Knox unflavored gelatin
5/8 cup vegetable oil (this is pretty close to 2/3 cup)
5/8 cup unsulphered molasses
pinch of salt
The half recipe, using hamburger that is 20% fat calories, has 12,400 calories. The last batch I made ended up making 22 patties, so each has about 560 calories.
I slowly put weight on him (20 lbs over 1 1/2 years) because I didn't want to put too much weight on too fast. I now add other things to the recipe like brown rice, scrambled eggs, extra non-flavored gelatin, yogurt or cottage cheese) then form them into patties and freeze them, nuke it for 1 minute and break it up in his bowl.
Yum! Yum!
I use them for my poodles as well.
Thanks allot for telling me, my 14year old Papillon not eating well went to the web site copied the recipe for little dogs. If she does not eat it Buddy & Patches will so no big loss. Never have fed the Papillon anything raw do you think at 14 years old its too late???She also has Reflux disease has had it all her life.
Papbouv
Papbouv
I have a Shiz tzu that is up there in years. I feed her a homemade diet but I lightly cook it. Some older dogs don't like the texture of raw but if she likes it go for it and maybe add digestive enzymes and start slowly.Patches Mom said:Thanks allot for telling me, my 14year old Papillon not eating well went to the web site copied the recipe for little dogs. If she does not eat it Buddy & Patches will so no big loss. Never have fed the Papillon anything raw do you think at 14 years old its too late???She also has Reflux disease has had it all her life.
Papbouv
I agree with Okie-dobie. If you never fed raw, it is best you start slow. Your dog could get the runs if you start too fast.
DobeMom
DobeMom
The other thing that anyone feeding satin balls should be aware of it that there is enough fat in them that if you load a dog up who is at all prone to pancreatitis you could well set off an acute case.
I know a couple of people who were pretty dumb about using the satin balls and ended up with dogs in emergency because of it.
I'd be inclined to make sure that a dog who gets a lot of exercise because they are training intensively was on some sort of premium performance diet. BIB I don't know if you feed raw or not but some people who feed raw have found it hard to get weight on dogs, particularly young dogs.
Dogs are not obligate carnivores like cats but rather more along the lines of a semi-omnivore. Canids in wild will eat nearly anything including carrion. But they do eat a fair amount of food that is actually a carbohydrate as well as a lot of fruit. Coyotes will pull down ripe grain (of any sort) and eat it and I used to track one of my dogs in a big cherry orchard and during cherry season the coyote poop was almost nothing except cherry pits--later in the year when blackberries are ripe the poop is loaded with blackberry seeds.
Adolescent males in particular are tough to get weight on and keep weight on. But be careful of trying to get weight up with something like the satin balls--you can get a lot worse problems than just diarrhea.
Many years ago the formula for getting weight up on young showdogs who you might be trying to make look more mature was to feed a lot of mutton fat--it's a bloody wonder we didn't have them all in emergency clinics with acute cases of pancreatitis.
I know a couple of people who were pretty dumb about using the satin balls and ended up with dogs in emergency because of it.
I'd be inclined to make sure that a dog who gets a lot of exercise because they are training intensively was on some sort of premium performance diet. BIB I don't know if you feed raw or not but some people who feed raw have found it hard to get weight on dogs, particularly young dogs.
Dogs are not obligate carnivores like cats but rather more along the lines of a semi-omnivore. Canids in wild will eat nearly anything including carrion. But they do eat a fair amount of food that is actually a carbohydrate as well as a lot of fruit. Coyotes will pull down ripe grain (of any sort) and eat it and I used to track one of my dogs in a big cherry orchard and during cherry season the coyote poop was almost nothing except cherry pits--later in the year when blackberries are ripe the poop is loaded with blackberry seeds.
Adolescent males in particular are tough to get weight on and keep weight on. But be careful of trying to get weight up with something like the satin balls--you can get a lot worse problems than just diarrhea.
Many years ago the formula for getting weight up on young showdogs who you might be trying to make look more mature was to feed a lot of mutton fat--it's a bloody wonder we didn't have them all in emergency clinics with acute cases of pancreatitis.
They sure are great for weight gain. My dogs love them.
Both my girls were emaciated when I adopted them, Mocha is still lean but perfect for her build, Zoe is still slowly gaining weight, but we have found she has a sensitive system so we are doing things VERY slowly, she's getting high quality food with slow increases in amount. We are almost at the point where she's getting what she should be and all is well with her belly and stools. She had the trots for the first three weeks! YUCK.
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