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Hello everyone,

I decided to start a thread on this forum to share my experience with the breeder Royal Majestic or RM Dobermans. While I was looking for my dog, I tried to find reviews online and came on this website. There was not many details or many reviews on them so now I wish to make things clear for everyone: You should absolutely avoid Royal Majestic Dobermans. Olivia is NOT a good breeder and should not be a member of the Canadian Kennel Club since her way of breeding and selling dogs is unethical. She is only interested about money and do not care at all about the dogs. If you are interested in knowing more about my experience, you are welcome to read my story below. I also invite other buyers who have also had a bad experience with her to respond to this thread with their stories so that people are well informed before buying a dog from her.
My boyfriend and I have been looking to buy a doberman for quite some time. A few months ago we started looking at breeders online. We were impatient and didn’t want to wait longer so we only considered those that were close to us (we are from Quebec) and that had puppies available. I found RM doberman on kijiji. I thought their dogs were beautiful and loved the pictures on their website and Instagram so I contacted Olivia. We agreed that we would buy a red male from her and that we would pay for transportation from Toronto to Montreal. Then out of nowhere, she stopped responding to our messages. She probably found another buyer. A few weeks later, while we were still looking for our dog, I came up on another ad with the picture of one of their puppy. Strangely, it was written in French and the seller came from Quebec. I called him and asked about it. The guy told me he bought a beautiful black and rust female from her but she did not get along with his other dogs. He tried to contact the breeder but he wouldn’t get any response so he had to sell her. He was asking 2500$ for her, 350$ less than RM Dobermans. We decided to drive all the way up there to check her out. When we arrived, we fell in love with the puppy and brought her home. They gave us the only paper they were given when buying the dog: her vaccination card with the microchip number. When we got home, I had to repost her ears. When I took the tape and the foam out there was pus, she had an ear infection. I asked the guy how long she had the same post for and he told me that it was the one she had when he bought her, 2 or 3 weeks ago!! He told me the breeder never showed him how to post the ears or even told him he had to do it! She only told him to leave it on for a month. Then I saw another ad from her on Kijiji. She was selling the mother for 500$! I was shocked that she was getting rid of the mother of my dog. I contacted her through this ad and told her that I had a puppy from this litter, and that the couple sold it because they couldn’t reach her. She called me, she confirmed to me that it was indeed her dog and insisted that I confirm the name, address and phone number of the seller, that they had to pay her 10 000$ if they sold the puppy because it was written in the contract. I told her that I wasn’t comfortable in causing this couple trouble since they tried to contact her and couldn’t so they were not to blame. I asked her if she could send me the health testing of our dog and the ckc papers. She said she would stay in touch with us. She never called back. I sent messages on Instagram, email, tried to call because I had questions about ear posting and switching to raw food. She saw all my messages but never responded. She didn’t care at all about the puppy and was already selling another litter on kijiji. I brought my dog to the vet and they asked if she was affected by vwd and I couldn’t answer them. I sent another message on Instagram, begging them for the health papers. Again, she saw my message within a few minutes but never responded. The next day I checked my messages and she had blocked me!!

I do not regret getting my dog, she is amazing and we love her and we will pay for the health testing. But I would recommend to anyone looking to buy a Doberman to stay away from this evil women. She will take your money, make you sign a crazy ridiculous contract and disappear just like she did for the couple who originally bought my dog.
 

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I’m sorry for your bad experience. I lesson learned, you won’t love her any less than if you got her from a reputable breeder. Don’t get a blood test for the vWD, you want to get the one through vetnostics, it will tell you if she is clear carrier or affected, it’s the only test that will actually tell you her status.

Also, I would like to add that any breeder selling a dog the kijiji, is someone you want to stay far far away from, no reputable breeder would sell one of their puppies that way.
 

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EGad, it’s sickening to hear the same stories for years about a greeder and think about all those poor dogs being pumped out. I get sick when I think about the bitches they breed over and over. And, good grief, the money she’s getting for not doing any good breeding practices or even good puppy care/buyer education. Makes you want to scream!

Thanks for sharing and being so honest about what you would now do differently. Might save someone a future horror story. Hope your pup’s ears heal up okay.
 

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I have purchased a dog from RM Dobermans and I have no complaints. I maintain a brief relationship with Olivia basically picture sharing and ear help. I personally have seen her facility in person and I am impressed by the cleanliness, temperaments and quality of her dogs. I did my fair share of research before making a purchase and there are few breeders in Ontario to even spend time looking at imo. I had a hard time deciding to go with Di ravelles or RM and in the end I chose RM. The reviews here about both breeders made me very indecisive, because I found that most were the same reviews from people in other country's talking bad about every breeder yet not being one themselves or even having any first hand facts of their accusations (TROLLS).
Seems like this site has become counterproductive by blackballing every breeder, to the point the threads always remain pathetically malicious. People whom are actually seeking advice are being sent in wrong directions from people millions of miles away whom have no clue of who they even are slandering, counterproductive. So far my pup is 18 months and I have nothing bad to say about her or my pup. PM me for more details on my experience if interested.
 

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I have purchased a dog from RM Dobermans and I have no complaints. I maintain a brief relationship with Olivia basically picture sharing and ear help. I personally have seen her facility in person and I am impressed by the cleanliness, temperaments and quality of her dogs. I did my fair share of research before making a purchase and there are few breeders in Ontario to even spend time looking at imo. I had a hard time deciding to go with Di ravelles or RM and in the end I chose RM. The reviews here about both breeders made me very indecisive, because I found that most were the same reviews from people in other country's talking bad about every breeder yet not being one themselves or even having any first hand facts of their accusations (TROLLS).
Seems like this site has become counterproductive by blackballing every breeder, to the point the threads always remain pathetically malicious. People whom are actually seeking advice are being sent in wrong directions from people millions of miles away whom have no clue of who they even are slandering, counterproductive. So far my pup is 18 months and I have nothing bad to say about her or my pup. PM me for more details on my experience if interested.
If you actually did your research before purchasing there would be no contest between Di ravellese and RM dobermans. RM dobermans has a history of breeding untitled dogs with poor conformation. They have even bred a Z factored bitch which is a HUGE no-no. Recently this breeder seems to have gotten into the "Euro" craze and is importing and just breeding without consideration or titling the dogs. Minimal health testing listed on their site (nothing about hips, eyes, elbows, liver, thyroid, echo/holter (heart)) Their most recent litter has very unattractive ear crops as well. These are not practices of a reputable breeder.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/canada-region/142618-royal-majestic-dobermans.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/266378-rm-dobermans-ontario-canada.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/250073-royal-majestic-dobermans.html
 

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I have purchased a dog from RM Dobermans and I have no complaints. I maintain a brief relationship with Olivia basically picture sharing and ear help. I personally have seen her facility in person and I am impressed by the cleanliness, temperaments and quality of her dogs. I did my fair share of research before making a purchase and there are few breeders in Ontario to even spend time looking at imo. I had a hard time deciding to go with Di ravelles or RM and in the end I chose RM. The reviews here about both breeders made me very indecisive, because I found that most were the same reviews from people in other country's talking bad about every breeder yet not being one themselves or even having any first hand facts of their accusations (TROLLS).
Seems like this site has become counterproductive by blackballing every breeder, to the point the threads always remain pathetically malicious. People whom are actually seeking advice are being sent in wrong directions from people millions of miles away whom have no clue of who they even are slandering, counterproductive. So far my pup is 18 months and I have nothing bad to say about her or my pup. PM me for more details on my experience if interested.
I am glad to read that you are enjoying your pup and having a good experience with RM Dobermans.

I’m not sure why you’re ranting against folks with opinions or experiences that differ from yours, though. Unfortunately, there are several first-hand accounts on this forum from folks who had a negative experience with RM Dobermans, including the person who started this thread and in the threads greenkouki posted above.

And yes, folks here are passionate about some objective measures of good breeding programs, and RM Dobermans rates poorly against those. But hey, you (and anyone else) don’t need to agree that those are the most important things when looking for your puppy. Anyone is certainly free to come up with their own criteria and have their say. The main point I see most people here making is that you need to discover what is important to you when looking for a breeder. They also provide specific information on what they have found to be important for a Doberman and why. This information from those who have been around Dobermans generally is highly useful for folks new to the breed. It lets them make their own decisions and go into the search with their eyes open.

Finally, folks are not “blackballing every breeder”. There are a lot of threads where specific breeders are recommended. In fact, Di Ravallese who you mention is pretty consistently recommended here.

Anyway, like I said, I’m glad you found a good puppy match. It’s not an easy thing to do. The more fact-based accounts we have (good and bad), the more informed those looking for a breeder will be.
 

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I have purchased a dog from RM Dobermans and I have no complaints. I maintain a brief relationship with Olivia basically picture sharing and ear help. I personally have seen her facility in person and I am impressed by the cleanliness, temperaments and quality of her dogs. I did my fair share of research before making a purchase and there are few breeders in Ontario to even spend time looking at imo. I had a hard time deciding to go with Di ravelles or RM and in the end I chose RM. The reviews here about both breeders made me very indecisive, because I found that most were the same reviews from people in other country's talking bad about every breeder yet not being one themselves or even having any first hand facts of their accusations (TROLLS).
Seems like this site has become counterproductive by blackballing every breeder, to the point the threads always remain pathetically malicious. People whom are actually seeking advice are being sent in wrong directions from people millions of miles away whom have no clue of who they even are slandering, counterproductive. So far my pup is 18 months and I have nothing bad to say about her or my pup. PM me for more details on my experience if interested.
Speaking of trolls, joined in Sept. has one post.....
 

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New member, not new to the breed.

I too got sucked in to RM Dobermans.
The replies to email and text were nearly instant from first contact.
Lots of focus on, “Yes, that’s right.... $500 deposit” “$500” “$500”.....
As soon as money changed hands, the breeder was absent.

She thinks that 24-48hrs to respond is “good service”
Extremely disorganized. Website out of date. I took notes on the single phonecall I had with Olivia and the misinformation was appauling.
Very evasive about dates and a selection visit.

We forefited our deposit.
Backyard kijiji breeders are all the same - cutting corners, focused on money and dragging clients along for a violent ride.

It was an expensive mistake.

There were few black marks I could find online. This thread materialized ten days after I sent my deposit.
Timing is impeccable.

Let this be a lesson to anyone else considering RMDobermans.

shame on you Olivia.

And let this be a lesson on the Canadian’s reading this thread - Kijiji is no place to find a breeder.
Good breeders have wait lists for a reason.

Kijiji is the scum of the earth, a portal for deal makers who would rather do things cheap, than properly.
 

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I am glad to read that you are enjoying your pup and having a good experience with RM Dobermans.

I’m not sure why you’re ranting against folks with opinions or experiences that differ from yours, though. Unfortunately, there are several first-hand accounts on this forum from folks who had a negative experience with RM Dobermans, including the person who started this thread and in the threads greenkouki posted above.

And yes, folks here are passionate about some objective measures of good breeding programs, and RM Dobermans rates poorly against those. But hey, you (and anyone else) don’t need to agree that those are the most important things when looking for your puppy. Anyone is certainly free to come up with their own criteria and have their say. The main point I see most people here making is that you need to discover what is important to you when looking for a breeder. They also provide specific information on what they have found to be important for a Doberman and why. This information from those who have been around Dobermans generally is highly useful for folks new to the breed. It lets them make their own decisions and go into the search with their eyes open.

Finally, folks are not “blackballing every breeder”. There are a lot of threads where specific breeders are recommended. In fact, Di Ravallese who you mention is pretty consistently recommended here.

Anyway, like I said, I’m glad you found a good puppy match. It’s not an easy thing to do. The more fact-based accounts we have (good and bad), the more informed those looking for a breeder will be.
Thanks for actually talking sensible and fair, I still dont think that what everyone says to be true or factual just because its on here. I have read some pretty different views on care, ears, breeders etc and its all mixed thoughts so you kinda take a general consensus and form an opinion. That said I think RM Dobermans, and all the other breeders should be getting reviews from clients put here to show a different image if this is the real go to spot for purchasers. Its so one sided it seems, suppose its not my issue but like you guys im just speaking my mind. They are good people and I believe someone should stand up for the "little" guy here, I have always been this way in a logical fashion.
That said I see people complaining about conversation, and I have had no issues with RM though her responses do take a bit they do show up to support good conversation, I see that there are health testing concerns, and I have seen the documents in person, I see there are backyard breeder concerns, and I have seen the clean, dry, and new facility, I see the advertising on kijiji complaints and I wished that more breeders with good dogs advertised there so as to push the real backyard breeders out.
My only real complaint is they do not title all their dogs and it would have been nice to have a pup sired by two champions but as a pet I just really wanted quality genetics and the pedigrees behind my dog are incredible. They said they do not title all the dogs they breed as time does not permit and their interest in the sport is low. They did say they participate in a private working dog club each sunday with certain dogs. I seen the male do some really cool "outs" and "downs" and then he was made to sit in a stay command for like 20 minutes while we talked, which I thought was really cool until the chickens ran through and the Male broke attention.
Anyways whatever I too operate a business and I know first hand just how hard it is to keep everyone happy, a few bad reviews over like 10 years is pretty good imo. I am going to suggest to RM to get some reviews here maybe that would help even the playing field?
 

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Hi all, my name is Lena, I just have registered on Doberman talk, however I have been reading post about breeders for some time now, because I, like some other people, would like to get a good pup. I live and NYC and I have been researching for over 3 month (reaserch is part of my job so I am very good at it) , I have been on the websites AKC , IDC and CKC, looked into offered breeders. And I have read posts from your site on a lot of them. On my own I came to a conclusion that there is no good kennel offered by AKC in 500 mile radius of my city, now I started looking out of state and came up onto RM Dobermans, and guess what now I am reading negative thing about them as well. This was my last resort. I have concluded that on Doberman talk people just talk. Because they have something negative to say about every single breeder that I looked into, but yet when you ask them to refer you to a good breeder from their point of view, everyone is quiet. Interesting isn’t it.

For people who do research we all know that Yes the breeder does need to provide you with the information and health testing on their dogs, however it is not necessary for them to put it on their website, you can email or call and ask them about it, and if you live close go visit and talk to them personally.
You will never ever get a perfect genetic material and FYI the purer the bread, the more health problems it has. And even if nor mother or father carry any genetic mutation your dog can still develop them. You have to decide what you want a dog for and take a lip of faith in this case.
I found RMD thorough a guy on Instagram, I loved how his pup has a character and perfect ear crop, he told me he got his dog from a person who gets very few pups, but the father of his pup belongs to the RMD family. I looked through all RMDs followers and photos on Instagram , and guess what all her pups have charisma and character which made me consider emailing her, and I am currently talking and following to other people who got pups from her or whoever she refers them too, and it seems that everyone is happy.

So, ether provide us with a good and proper info regarding a good breeders, or stop talking **** just based on your observation, and limited conclusions.

Good luck to all trying to become an owner of a wonderful breed.
 

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You don't have to have a dog from a certain breeder to be able to "review" them. What you seem to be wanting is a yelp review of a sandwich shop about the taste of the food and the service. In evaluating a breeder facts speak for themselves and this breeder's actions and written proof on their website pertaining to titling and health testing certainly don't align with the codes of ethics outlined by The Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada or The Doberman Pinscher Club of America.
 

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Hi Lena welcome to the forums! I am sure if people had a positive experience with RM, they would be here responding to these posts. But they arent... for a reason.... No one is stopping any positive reviews.
 

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We don't delete any posts unless they are flagrantly vulgar or purposely over-the-top confrontational. We also don't screen or ban people who have different viewpoints. Everyone is welcomed and allowed to post their own viewpoints here for the most part, and their opinions certainly can conflict with those of other members. If you're not seeing positive reviews on a particular breeder, no one has stepped forward to give a positive review.
 

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News from the CKC......

Thank you for contacting The Canadian Kennel Club.

Our records do not reflect members with the surname Farrugia, nor do we have a reserved kennel name of RM or RMDobermans. If you can get more information on the breeders, we would be happy to check our records again.

If a dog was born and purchased within Canada, then the breeder/seller of the dog must provide the owner with a CKC registration certificate. The sire/dam of the dog must be CKC registered, the dog’s litter must be registered as a group by the breeder/seller and subsequently each puppy would be individually registered.

All dogs must be permanently identified by either tattoo (tattoo series issued by the CKC to the breeder) or ISO standard microchip; the breeder must identify each puppy prior to the puppy leaving the breeder to go to their new home.

CKC Members should be following the CKC Code of Ethics and Code of Practice which can be found at these links to our website:

http://www.ckc.ca/en/Breeding-Dogs/Code-of-Practice-for-CKC-Member-Breeders

http://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Legal-Policy-and-Procedures/Code-of-Ethics-English

With regards,

Amie | Membership Services Representative | The Canadian Kennel Club


So there you go.
RM is committing fraud by advertising CKC puppies.
 

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I was contacted by someone also about to pick up their puppy from RM....
Please do report back as to how your experience went, I’m sure I’m not alone to get a report back.

How these people have been so under the radar for such a time is mind boggling.
 

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If you actually did your research before purchasing there would be no contest between Di ravellese and RM dobermans. RM dobermans has a history of breeding untitled dogs with poor conformation. They have even bred a Z factored bitch which is a HUGE no-no. Recently this breeder seems to have gotten into the "Euro" craze and is importing and just breeding without consideration or titling the dogs. Minimal health testing listed on their site (nothing about hips, eyes, elbows, liver, thyroid, echo/holter (heart)) Their most recent litter has very unattractive ear crops as well. These are not practices of a reputable breeder.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/canada-region/142618-royal-majestic-dobermans.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/266378-rm-dobermans-ontario-canada.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/250073-royal-majestic-dobermans.html
Seems this moderator has a personal vendetta stemming back to 2016, and positive postings/users banned while the moderator is working the threads I doubt its a coincidence. I have always had European dobermans and I am pretty sure many North American Show line breeders are adding Euro to their lines. I have imported the most top quality European Dobermans from Europe directly so as to create a solid line of Dobermans. You may find it interesting that Di ravellese kennel recently contacted me to use my Eurpoean male, I ignored the email like she ignored me years ago (email on hand).
I have my health testings on hand and anyone is welcome to view all my documents in person, and knocking an ear cropping is an opinionated petty statement.
 

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New member, not new to the breed.

I too got sucked in to RM Dobermans.
The replies to email and text were nearly instant from first contact.
Lots of focus on, “Yes, that’s right.... $500 deposit” “$500” “$500”.....
As soon as money changed hands, the breeder was absent.

She thinks that 24-48hrs to respond is “good service”
Extremely disorganized. Website out of date. I took notes on the single phonecall I had with Olivia and the misinformation was appauling.
Very evasive about dates and a selection visit.

We forefited our deposit.
Backyard kijiji breeders are all the same - cutting corners, focused on money and dragging clients along for a violent ride.

It was an expensive mistake.

There were few black marks I could find online. This thread materialized ten days after I sent my deposit.
Timing is impeccable.

Let this be a lesson to anyone else considering RMDobermans.

shame on you Olivia.

And let this be a lesson on the Canadian’s reading this thread - Kijiji is no place to find a breeder.
Good breeders have wait lists for a reason.

Kijiji is the scum of the earth, a portal for deal makers who would rather do things cheap, than properly.
Individual was very self righteous, and expected non stop communication, thus I backed off communication to a 24hr delay. Considering puppies were quite young the go home date was not concrete as it was many weeks before the anticipated pickup date which was given at the time of sale. I do not generally allow clients to "select" their dog, I as a breeder choose a fitting pup based on the information of lifestyle I am provided.
Client chose to forfeit deposit, and as indicated by poster there are few black marks to be found perhaps because there are not any available?
Website is up to date regarding the dogs we own and the information I feel needs to be available.
I use kijiji as a platform to network with people interested in purchasing a Doberman puppy. I then screen potential homes and run them through a vigorous application process. I do not feel that calling kijiji "the scum of the earth" is accurate. I often see other "reputable" breeders advertising on kijiji. This would include gatehouse, nightflight, ultrasound kennels, hilltop haven, kin dobermans, and myself.
 

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Thanks for actually talking sensible and fair, I still dont think that what everyone says to be true or factual just because its on here. I have read some pretty different views on care, ears, breeders etc and its all mixed thoughts so you kinda take a general consensus and form an opinion. That said I think RM Dobermans, and all the other breeders should be getting reviews from clients put here to show a different image if this is the real go to spot for purchasers. Its so one sided it seems, suppose its not my issue but like you guys im just speaking my mind. They are good people and I believe someone should stand up for the "little" guy here, I have always been this way in a logical fashion.
That said I see people complaining about conversation, and I have had no issues with RM though her responses do take a bit they do show up to support good conversation, I see that there are health testing concerns, and I have seen the documents in person, I see there are backyard breeder concerns, and I have seen the clean, dry, and new facility, I see the advertising on kijiji complaints and I wished that more breeders with good dogs advertised there so as to push the real backyard breeders out.
My only real complaint is they do not title all their dogs and it would have been nice to have a pup sired by two champions but as a pet I just really wanted quality genetics and the pedigrees behind my dog are incredible. They said they do not title all the dogs they breed as time does not permit and their interest in the sport is low. They did say they participate in a private working dog club each sunday with certain dogs. I seen the male do some really cool "outs" and "downs" and then he was made to sit in a stay command for like 20 minutes while we talked, which I thought was really cool until the chickens ran through and the Male broke attention.
Anyways whatever I too operate a business and I know first hand just how hard it is to keep everyone happy, a few bad reviews over like 10 years is pretty good imo. I am going to suggest to RM to get some reviews here maybe that would help even the playing field?
I have had 3 clients indicate that they were unable to leave a positive review or that it was deleted. I also see that users with positive reviews are being banned. May be a coincidence, but probably not. Please contact me for references of past puppy sales, I have a long list I would be happy to share. Many people do not know this forum exists, and thus there are not many neutral reviews. I will be adding a review section to my website, coupled with the contact email of the review writer soon.
 
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