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Most of you may have already seen the first two pics. I can't find my camera so these were taken with my phone. The third pic is his first nap inside our home.

So far the pup has been really good. I am taking him outside everytime he drinks water and eats and have had very few accidents. He has yet to to do number 2 in the house. I've been praising him and giving him a little piece of a treat every other time he empties outside. I have read to treat them everytime he empties outside but I don't want to mess up his eating schedule since he does pee a lot. He would be full with treats at the end of the day if I gave him a treat everytime!

He is crate training very well too. He will whine for about 10 minutes when initially placed in the crate but then he calms right down and goes to sleep. I've been getting up about every 2 hrs during the night and taken him out and he pees everytime. He has only whined once in the middle of the night to go out before my two hrs of sleep were up lol.

He does ok with his leash but hes the only one that likes to do the pulling. If I try to get him to come a certain way, he will stand his ground and look at me with a "what the hell" are you trying to do. When he doesn't "come" on the leash, I've been bending down with a pat to the ground and then he will come. Of course I praise him and hes getting a little better with that.

Other than that, thats about it for now. I will probably have to buy a new camera so I will get some more pics of here soon. Any advice, suggestion or anything you think I need to change up let me know!

Thanks!

Addition: I forgot to mention, I gave him a flea bath Saturday as well. I saw a flea on him so I bought some flea shampoo for puppies. He wanted to get out a couple times but I told him it was "Ok" and he eventually settled down. He seemed to be bother more from the cup I was using to rinse him with then the actual water. His coat looks/feels to be shiny and healthy.
 

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Congrats on the puppy, seems like your starting out good.
Have fun, he wont stay small long. LOL
 

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Congrats on the puppy, seems like your starting out good.
Have fun, he wont stay small long. LOL
I know and thanks! His mom and dad are both AKC and CKC registered. The father weighed in at 110lbs. I know they're not supposed to weigh that much, but he was nothing but muscle. Didn't have much fat at all and wasn't overweight. In an earlier post I stated that he looked like he weighed in around 85lbs but I was wrong.

I do have an issue with his biting. He doesn't bite me that much but his teeth are very sharp and causes scatches with little pressure. He will lick my face and every once in a while he will get carried away and give me a little nip on my chin or ear and that hurts like hell. I've been saying "No" and tapping his nose but he hasn't learned yet. I'm not tapping it hard, just some reinforcement with the "No". Is this the right way to correct this issue?

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I know and thanks! His mom and dad are both AKC and CKC registered. The father weighed in at 110lbs. I know they're not supposed to weigh that much, but he was nothing but muscle. Didn't have much fat at all and wasn't overweight. In an earlier post I stated that he looked like he weighed in around 85lbs but I was wrong.

I do have an issue with his biting. He doesn't bite me that much but his teeth are very sharp and causes scatches with little pressure. He will lick my face and every once in a while he will get carried away and give me a little nip on my chin or ear and that hurts like hell. I've been saying "No" and tapping his nose but he hasn't learned yet. I'm not tapping it hard, just some reinforcement with the "No". Is this the right way to correct this issue?

Thanks!
Even if the parents are solid muscle, and truly 110 lbs, this is not good!!! I'm sure my boys parents were the same size as he is 31" and close to 100lbs, but because of his size he is plagued with health problems. He is not athletic in the least bit, the smaller correct sized Dobermans are much stronger and faster than him, he now has moderate hip dyplasia, arthritis, and because of carrying such a large weight for a few years, one of his front legs and rotated due to the strain.

FYI he was 'perfectly fine' as puppy and adult, but now at 5 years old, his movement is much like a senior dog over the age of 10. Please understand that breeding oversized dogs WILL effect the dogs joints, and please don't say the parents looked fine. My dog looks fine to the untrained eye ;)

I recommend either giving the dog back or really doing your research on oversized dogs and joint problems before making this life long commitment. I spend around $300/month on food/supplements/medication alone. Not including vet visits.
 

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Even if the parents are solid muscle, and truly 110 lbs, this is not good!!! I'm sure my boys parents were the same size as he is 31" and close to 100lbs, but because of his size he is plagued with health problems. He is not athletic in the least bit, the smaller correct sized Dobermans are much stronger and faster than him, he now has moderate hip dyplasia, arthritis, and because of carrying such a large weight for a few years, one of his front legs and rotated due to the strain.

FYI he was 'perfectly fine' as puppy and adult, but now at 5 years old, his movement is much like a senior dog over the age of 10. Please understand that breeding oversized dogs WILL effect the dogs joints, and please don't say the parents looked fine. My dog looks fine to the untrained eye ;)

I recommend either giving the dog back or really doing your research on oversized dogs and joint problems before making this life long commitment. I spend around $300/month on food/supplements/medication alone. Not including vet visits.
His other Doberman's weren't that size. They seemed to be average size. Including his mom. So maybe he won't get that big. The father was over 3 years old without any health problems so far. I'm not going to give up on him on something he cannot help. He has brought joy to me and my father.

I lost my mom back in February and my dad lost his wife. He makes my dad happy. If he happens to have health problems in the future, then I will deal with it. I'm not planning on breeding him.
 

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His other Doberman's weren't that size. They seemed to be average size. Including his mom. So maybe he won't get that big. The father was over 3 years old without any health problems so far. I'm not going to give up on him on something he cannot help. He has brought joy to me and my father.

I lost my mom back in February and my dad lost his wife. He makes my dad happy. If he happens to have health problems in the future, then I will deal with it. I'm not planning on breeding him.
I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. It's so difficult to deal with.

But I would agree with taking the puppy back myself. Puppies are cute, and they bring us joy but I'd look at the oerall picture myself. Not sure what breeding has to do with anything. But I believe you deserve a happy healthy wellbred dog from a reputable breeder myself. You are worthy of that :)

It's not just the size that could be an issue but many many issues come with byb bred dogs, especially in a breed that's not very healthy to begin with.
 

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His other Doberman's weren't that size. They seemed to be average size. Including his mom. So maybe he won't get that big. The father was over 3 years old without any health problems so far. I'm not going to give up on him on something he cannot help. He has brought joy to me and my father.

I lost my mom back in February and my dad lost his wife. He makes my dad happy. If he happens to have health problems in the future, then I will deal with it. I'm not planning on breeding him.
Again, if you looked at pictures and/or videos of when my dog was 3 versus what he is now at 5, you would see how little worth this is. I wish he still looked like he did two years ago, but sadly he wasn't in my hands at that time!

Sorry to hear about the loss as well. I just do not think setting yourself up for more heartbreak would be the right thing to do.
 

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I do have an issue with his biting. He doesn't bite me that much but his teeth are very sharp and causes scatches with little pressure. He will lick my face and every once in a while he will get carried away and give me a little nip on my chin or ear and that hurts like hell. I've been saying "No" and tapping his nose but he hasn't learned yet. I'm not tapping it hard, just some reinforcement with the "No". Is this the right way to correct this issue?

Thanks!
I am not a believer in touching the nose for a correction. When they are that small, I will only put them up to my face when they are in a docile mood and not hyper, or you will get sratched, etc, as they just get too excited and carried away. A firm NO and remove from face area.
Do a search on Bite Inhibition, so you can learn more on how to better deal with biting as it is all puppy play and right now, you are just a big littlermate.

You've found the right place, being on DT, so do not neglect the wealth of information here and what knowledge/experience can be shared by others.

The next little while is going to be a learning curve both for yourself and your pup.
 

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Again, if you looked at pictures and/or videos of when my dog was 3 versus what he is now at 5, you would see how little worth this is. I wish he still looked like he did two years ago, but sadly he wasn't in my hands at that time!

Sorry to hear about the loss as well. I just do not think setting yourself up for more heartbreak would be the right thing to do.
So, what happens to the pup, when he brings him back?
 

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And the pup continues to experience more trauma in their life.
It does appear the owner is not thoroughly educated on the breed, so the warnings should be adhered to, if they want a Perfect pup. If they are a responsible pet owner and treat their pets as if , it's their children, then the pup is in the right hands. If the pup lives x amount of years and it is embraced with love and happiness, then that pup has hit a pot of gold.
Their are NO guarantees in life, some ppl walk the line of risk, and can sleep at night with no regrets bcuz it might be there last.
 

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So, what happens to the pup, when he brings him back?
You'll have to ask the BYB. I refuse to support BYBs in any shape or form period.
 

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I would be more heart-broken taken to the dog back for something that isn't his fault. I'm not going to let him down. I'm going to enroll him in puppy classes after I get him fully house-trained.

I have had dogs in the past. This is my first Doberman. My dad took him to the vet today and everything checked out fine. Got his 9 weeks shots(Breeder gave him his six weeks) and his nails trimmed down some.

The Breeder has had Dobermans for a while and he hasn't had health issues with his. His older Dobermans don't have health issues either. If the dog happens to have health issues when hes older. So what? We're all going to have health issues one day. Would you like someone getting rid of you because one day you might be sickly?

You live and learn.
 

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Well in my opinion you've got him now and mistakes made, lesson learnt. It's making the same mistake twice that winds me up.

He is a cutie, I'm glad you're taking him to puppy classes once he's finished his full course of jabs they are great for socialisation and training :)

I really don't like the tapping nose method for anything, it could potentially make him hand shy in the future and in my opinion is very infective. I teach no biting by making a sharp squealing noise or a sharp 'NO' then immediately getting up and leaving he room for a few minutes to let the puppy calm down. You can give him lots of chew toys to help with his teething, such as kongs and you can also put carrots and kongs in the freezer to help. Sounds like yore getting on great with toilet training.

I hope you stick around the forum and learn as much as you can and share his growing up.
 

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I would be more heart-broken taken to the dog back for something that isn't his fault. I'm not going to let him down. I'm going to enroll him in puppy classes after I get him fully house-trained.

I have had dogs in the past. This is my first Doberman. My dad took him to the vet today and everything checked out fine. Got his 9 weeks shots(Breeder gave him his six weeks) and his nails trimmed down some.

The Breeder has had Dobermans for a while and he hasn't had health issues with his. His older Dobermans don't have health issues either. If the dog happens to have health issues when hes older. So what? We're all going to have health issues one day. Would you like someone getting rid of you because one day you might be sickly?

You live and learn.

Like I said, many people think my dog is perfectly healthy. It was my extensive obsessiveness over my dog and in depth health testing that led me to figure out he wasn't healthy. I've yet to meet or hear about a breeder (BYB) who did not say his dogs were perfectly healthy and had no health issues. Why would he tell you his dogs had health problems? That would cut into his profits!!

Although I disagree with your decision, I did want to warn you about the expenses of an oversized dog (if you choose to be a responsible owner who looks past a dog's 'shiny coat' and has joints x-rayed, etc). If you are capable and willing to spend the over the top money necessary to keep your dog healthy and happy then more power to you! I wish you luck and your puppy a healthy, happy life! Just having experienced what I have experienced with him, if I would have had the choice (which I didn't), I wish I would have been warned.

Also, good for you for signing up for puppy classes!
 

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You'll have to ask the BYB. I refuse to support BYBs in any shape or form period.
Thanks for your support to the betterment of the Doberman Breed. I too, play on the same team but my approach is slightly different. I might pull on purse strings but I have compassion for living beings, not sending them back to Hell again,
 

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Thanks for your support to the betterment of the Doberman Breed. I too, play on the same team but my approach is slightly different. I might pull on purse strings but I have compassion for living beings, not sending them back to Hell again,
Nowhere did I say I did not have compassion. I do believe if we do not buy from BYBs we can eventually shut them down. By buying we increase demand, which then increases supply.
 

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Nowhere did I say I did not have compassion. I do believe if we do not buy from BYBs we can eventually shut them down. By buying we increase demand, which then increases supply.
Good luck with that.
Supply and Demand thinking has been tried for how many decades with the War on Drugs and that has not shut them down.
Education, Media and Laws, will get it in the right direction.
People come on here for help and they get shot down at the gate, all the time and some of these Doberman Uneducated people need to be here, so they solve issues and have a harmonious relationship with their dobe. WHen they feel helpless and frustrated and just give up and dump the dog at the shelter or more fortunate a rescue, the pup still suffers again and some fatally.
Its especially disconcerting when someone comes on here with their bundle of joy and basically told bring him back.
 

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He's so cute! I'm sorry to hear about your mom.

The little guy sounds lucky to have you, and I just can't endorse bringing him back based on something that may or may not happen in the future, especially not his fault.

I agree with Amelia_ about not giving him a nose pat for correction. Making the sharp squealing noise, that she/he suggested using, imitates a littermates yelp, as if its saying "Ouch, too hard!" Or the firm "NO" sounds like a correction from an older dog. They both work to imitate the natural correction a puppy would receive. Also, playtime is everything for a puppy, so when you get up and leave, and there is no one left to play with it will make a sad puppy :( He'll learn that biting leads to terrible terrible things

With the treats, when a dog is small (or when you have a small dog), you can break the treats up instead of feeding a whole one. Just give them a little taste of something yummy.
 

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Thanks for the replies and advice from everyone. Hes getting his ears cropped today. I am getting a short/medium pet crop. I feel sorry for him but me and my dad both wanted him to have cropped ears so we finally made the appointment. He'll be 9 weeks tomorrow.

The vet told us to bring him back every 3 days so they can check them out and make sure they are doing ok. Dr. Randall in Kinston, NC is the vet doing it. Hes been an excellent vet for our dogs in the past and you can tell he really cares about animals. He said he doesn't usually do crops/surgeries on Wednesday's since he is actually retired now(Works part-time) but he said he would for Rebel.

Should be tons of fun!
 
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