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Gino and Asha got trace of protein in their urine. They both are on raw diet.

Did you ever have similar experience?

I added more veggies and oatmeal to their meals and feed kibble in AM.
 

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Need more info. How much is a trace, how concentrated was the urine, and did they go so far as to check the gravity?

I have had this in my perfectly healthy dogs as well, but you must be diligent in ruling out other causes, so as much info as possible will help.

How old are they? Sorry, I'm new and don't "know" them.
 

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Gino is 3 years and Asha is 15 months old. I guess it's food related.
The amount of protein in their urine is low. My vet did not suggest any more testing.

Raw feeding is my concern now...I don't want my dogs to develop kidney problems in the future.

Does anyone who feeds raw have the same issue? I read raw food may be hard on kidney. Is that true?
 

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You will have some variation in blood results, etc. when you feed raw I'll have to see if blood in urine is one of them. I know BUN may be higher and a few others may be higher.

I will say IF my dog had kidney issues, raw is the only way I'd feed. It's a much better quality protein than kibble. I would adjust my feeding. I have a dog with watear diabetes - she does not concetrate urine. So far her kidneys are just fine but my vet says the best thing in the world is to keep her on raw. When you have damaged kidneys you want to feed GOOD QUALITY protein and limit the level of Phospohorous. Lower protein was the old school of thought for it.

Does the vet know the dogs are partially raw fed? it does skew some of the test results slightly. If you are really concerned you could do more follow up testing also. It's hard for me but I'm very slowly trying to convince myself if the vet says it is ok, then it really is ok :) I tend to be a GIANT STRESS NUT.
 
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Heavy exercise can sometimes lead to a low level of protein in the urine.
I don't exercise them heavily before collecting urine... but they are very active dogs for sure :)
 
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You will have some variation in blood results, etc. when you feed raw I'll have to see if blood in urine is one of them. I know BUN may be higher and a few others may be higher.

I will say IF my dog had kidney issues, raw is the only way I'd feed. It's a much better quality protein than kibble. I would adjust my feeding. I have a dog with watear diabetes - she does not concetrate urine. So far her kidneys are just fine but my vet says the best thing in the world is to keep her on raw. When you have damaged kidneys you want to feed GOOD QUALITY protein and limit the level of Phospohorous. Lower protein was the old school of thought for it.
Colleen have your dogs ever had a trace of protein in their urine? I will be careful about phospohorous. As far as I remember there are high amount of it in read meat.
I should feed more bones I guess. Need to do my home work again :thinking:

Eisenherz their urine was concentrated... they never drink enough water! I don't restric water intake at all. If the urine is concentrated trace or 1+ is acceptable. I think they are in that range.
 

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From all I've read....raw feeding will not cause Kidney issues in a healthy dog. If your vet doesn't want further testing then why are you worried? Could it be that they were slightly dehydrated before testing? You are always out and about with them hiking. Personally until I knew my dog actually has an issue with their kidneys, I wouldn't switch from Raw feeding. Over the years I have known several people who have lost young kibble fed dogs to kidney disease.
 

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Colleen have your dogs ever had a trace of protein in their urine? I will be careful about phospohorous. As far as I remember there are high amount of it in read meat.
I should feed more bones I guess. Need to do my home work again :thinking:

Eisenherz their urine was concentrated... they never drink enough water! I don't restric water intake at all. If the urine is concentrated trace or 1+ is acceptable. I think they are in that range.
I cannot remember and I'm usually good at these things. Gabby had 2 UAs for her water diabetes. I'll see if I can find the results around here and see if they have normal values, etc. My vet knows we feed raw so has always said their values are normal for raw fed dogs :( Let me see what I can find. Gabby needs her UA done in a month or so anyway and I can share that with you when we get it done too.

also my vet said I didn't need to make any chnages for her kidneys UNTIL or IF she gets any issues. So for now, I am not changing anything. Just trying not to worry (tough for me!) She does not concentrate her urine so her kidneys work and work and work and work :( and she drinks way too much water (which probalby caused this).
 
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I will not switch from raw feeding... I need to adjust their diet not to have trace of protein in urine.
They are fed kibble in AM and raw in PM. Raw is 60-70%.
I feed beef and pork meat (50%) and organs (10%). Should I give them less organs and red meat?
Also I feed ground duck and chicken with bones. It should not be a problem.
They don't eat much beef bones though... only knucle/marrow. Maybe I should find good bones for them?
Tripe should be OK. Is that right?

Sorry Colleen to hear about Gabby problems. I wish you would get good results soon...
 

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I will not switch from raw feeding... I need to adjust their diet not to have trace of protein in urine.
They are fed kibble in AM and raw in PM. Raw is 60-70%.
I feed beef and pork meat (50%) and organs (10%). Should I give them less organs and red meat?
Also I feed ground duck and chicken with bones. It should not be a problem.
They don't eat much beef bones though... only knucle/marrow. Maybe I should find good bones for them?
Tripe should be OK. Is that right?

Sorry Colleen to hear about Gabby problems. I wish you would get good results soon...
Me thinks you think too much...LOL :roflmao: I feed a meal of meat/organ chunks in the morning. It's usually a mix of beef heart, liver, kidney, pork, but changes according to what I have on hand when I make up a months worth of 1# packages. Actually today is breakfast making day. For dinner I feed 1-1.5 pounds of meat on a bone. That meal could be....venison ribs, pork ribs, chicken or turkey, sometimes I add extra meat if there is too much bone. A few times a week I will feed a small meal with either sardines, eggs or tripe mixed with some honest kitchen preference or zeal. 2 caps of fish oil each day...and that is it.
 

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LOL Carol... you are right I think too much :) Our dog walker switched her dog to raw watching my high energy healthy dogs.... but protein in urine is not a good sign as per my vet and I need to adjust their diet.
 
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I don't have much to add, but my last boy was on raw for 11 years and had normal urine and bloodwork until the end.

Raw diets are high in protein, but also very high in water which dramatically reduces the protein percentage if you calucate it on a dry matter basis. I would be more concerned about kidney damage with a dog on a high protein grain free dry food diet only.
 

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I don't have much to add, but my last boy was on raw for 11 years and had normal urine and bloodwork until the end.

Raw diets are high in protein, but also very high in water which dramatically reduces the protein percentage if you calucate it on a dry matter basis. I would be more concerned about kidney damage with a dog on a high protein grain free dry food diet only.

I agree totally with your statement in bold.
My dogs eat grain-free Acana Grassland in the morning (32% crude protein). I have chosen lower protein food from the grain-free products.
Is it still high protein content?
 
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I think low 30s are fine, but still prefer to add some sort of wet element. I recently started doing commercial food in the morning myself (due to some obstacles feeding raw with my new pup) and Acana was the first food I went to. (It didn't work for us, so now I'm using Nature's Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Turkey.) I feed 1 1/2 to 2 cups of dry with half a can of tripe, greek yogurt and raw eggs, or 1 can of sardines.
 

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A trace amount of protein in the urine is not all that uncommon and probably nothing to worry about. However, if you are concerned ask your vet to do a Urine Protein:Creatnine ratio.

Also, it makes a difference if an actual urinalysis was done, or just the 'dip stick' test. The test strip isn't always all that reliable for protein. When I worked for my vet, in a past life... if excess protein showed up on the strip, the vet always did the Protein:Creatnine ratio. Maybe things have improved since then, but something to consider.

I also feed raw, no grain, fruit or veggies, and have had no issues.
 

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Mack (min-pin) is diabetic and our specialist (board certified internist) approved his raw diet. Sam's tests have all been normal. They've been on raw for 5 years.
 

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I agree totally with your statement in bold.
My dogs eat grain-free Acana Grassland in the morning (32% crude protein). I have chosen lower protein food from the grain-free products.
Is it still high protein content?
That's a much higher concentrated protein then the raw....raw meat/bones works out to something like 14-18% protein. I would worry more about the kibble then feeding raw. Were they only on raw when you had the test?
 

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They were 30-40% on kibble when i did the test. I have no time to feed raw in AM before leaving to work.

If my two dogs have trace of protein in their urine it must be food related... that's what I think.
Also their urine is too concentrated. I never restrict water.

Does anyone who feeds Acana have similar experience?
 
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