Thanks to everyone who responded to the puppy pics. I have pretty high hopes for both of them to be successful in the show ring, and maybe some agility and obedience. Flaire, the second one, does the A Frame and Tunnels already, she seems to really enjoy it!. @ eegreen, would love to see you again, but wow is that show poilitical, I'll have to check the judges. Over the years I have come to believe in many instances it's the shows in addition to the judges. Some judges act differently at Harrisburg than they would at a different show. For example, Rally got a fourth out of five there, and a few months later took a three point major under the same judge. Twister won a very competitive class at Harrisburg, then got a second out of two under the same judge a few months later. Same dogs, same handler......me. So go figure.