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Have you tried the Gentle Leader or Haltie? It works really well and my Dobie is 95lbs and my pit is 70lbs. They can't pull, there is no pinching or pulling involved and for me it works amazingly well. My pitbulls trainer suggested it and it has been a godsend with the Dobie as well.
 

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Hmmm, I didn't consider the Doberman neck and the Gentle Leader....I will definately ask my vet about that.

I live in Los Angeles, where using a pinch or prong collar is so frowned upon that people will literally stop you on the street or at dog park to say something (it has happened to me). Everyone uses Gentle Leaders or Halties with their dogs here (other than regular collars and leashes)....which I hope at some point my Dobie will be trained enough to use (without taking me down).

But thank you for telling me about the concern with these types of collars with Dobies....I did not know this and I sure don't want to cause him any injury.
 

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Okie Dobie - thank you for your thoughts....my Dobie does the same thing once I have the gentle leader on....he really doesn't pull...he kind of accepts that it is time to walk nicely. With my boyfriend he will always walk nicely with a regular collar - with me...well it does not turn out as well. I know, obviously he doesn't listen to me as much as he should. More training is probably the answer in my situation.
 

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Hi Lapdog. Thank you for reminding me that was one of the ways I trained my rescue pitbull/pointer. Actually Cesar Millan trained me that way....on the loose leash to make turns when they are not expecting it so they learn that it is isn't their way that rules the walk, that it is mine. I had forgotten how well that had worked with Callie and that she did keep her head up to see what my next move would be. I forgot how well those simple things worked. I am going to take "Long Dog" as I lovingly call him as he is the longest dog I have ever owned - on a walk and see how this works.
 
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