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My heart dog, Julian, was BackYardBred. I have kept up, as best I can, with her litter mates, and now grand nieces and nephews.

I am NOT trying to purchase a dog, I have 2 beautiful rescues who are her living legacy.

I'm just curious, this boy seems better bred than the normal "livestock" the greeders involved purchase. Know where he came from?
 

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Thx. Someone bred this dog, titled this dogS parents, then pimped him out to a "slightly better than" puppy mill. Who is this Soquel kennel?
 

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Thanks. I know the OFA site, I'm not trying to buy a pup, and I don't really care if your hips are excellent if you wind up living in a puppy mill. :mad:

Not being mean, just ANGRY.

Upside, I can get one of his kids by hitting "purchase" on pay pal...
 

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I know you're not looking for a pup :) Wasn't sure if you saw the OFA info as he has lots of well known (in terms of breeder names) half siblings. It is a crying shame he ended up in the wrong hands :(


Thanks. I know the OFA site, I'm not trying to buy a pup, and I don't really care if your hips are excellent if you wind up living in a puppy mill. :mad:

Not being mean, just ANGRY.

Upside, I can get one of his kids by hitting "purchase" on pay pal...
 

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I want to clarify, b/c I'm not sure "EPIC. FAIL." sums it up for people who may search this.

I search Julians "breeders" a couple times a year. I did not breed those dogs. I DO have a connection, however. If one of them winds up in rescue, they are on me. I didn't produce them, but I will speak for them. And they will not ever be PTS for lack of space on my watch.

This SOQUEL kennel... I can't say the same for them. Pay pal. Puppy pimp.

Love your "product" more, I suppose would be the message. Be better than the random "no one" in the dobe world. I can search this, why cant the breeder? Why do I care more about the grand nieces and nephews of a spayed BYB dog than the "breeder" I'm asking about?
 

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I understand that you are upset, but Soquel isn't a byb as far as I know.

It looks like a dog of theirs sired a dog hat ended up being used by mills. About Us | www.soqueldobermans.com
 

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This SOQUEL kennel... I can't say the same for them. Pay pal. Puppy pimp.

Love your "product" more, I suppose would be the message. Be better than the random "no one" in the dobe world. I can search this, why cant the breeder? Why do I care more about the grand nieces and nephews of a spayed BYB dog than the "breeder" I'm asking about?
I am not sure where you are coming from. Linda Siegal/Soquel owned Thunder, the sire of this dog. I do not know anything about the breeder/owner of the dam, but I would assume that it would be that individual who placed this dog in circumstances that led to his being where he is.
 

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I am not sure where you are coming from. Linda Siegal/Soquel owned Thunder, the sire of this dog. I do not know anything about the breeder/owner of the dam, but I would assume that it would be that individual who placed this dog in circumstances that led to his being where he is.
I was under the impression that responsible breeders knew where the dogs they produced wound up. Was that misinformed on my part?

Cuz if it's not true, people should stop lambasting BYBs for breeding dogs they don't claim any responsibility for. If this is a "responsible, ethical breeder", and their pup is cranking out pay pal litters, seriously the credibility and ethics this site purports to have are... Well...
 

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I was under the impression that responsible breeders knew where the dogs they produced wound up. Was that misinformed on my part?
The stud dog owner has no control over where a breeder might place the puppies their stud dog might produce. You can screen bitch owners carefully, and some people will still slip through the cracks. That's exactly what happened in this situation.

This WAS NOT a Soquel-bred litter. Soquel DID NOT place the puppies in this litter.
 

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The stud dog owner has no control over where a breeder might place the puppies their stud dog might produce. You can screen bitch owners carefully, and some people will still slip through the cracks. That's exactly what happened in this situation.
Try harder?

If they are livestock, treat them as such. If they are a cash crop, treat them as such.

Because you have the boy doesn't absolve you from what happened here unless you agree to the above, does it?
 

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SOQUEL could trace where their line went if they wanted to. I found this cuz I follow my deceased dogs kin. And I didn't make a single one of them. That's a HUGE cop out, oh they didn't place the litter.

Google. It's time consuming.

You care or you dont
 

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Try harder?

If they are livestock, treat them as such. If they are a cash crop, treat them as such.

Because you have the boy doesn't absolve you from what happened here unless you agree to the above, does it?
Do you think the people involved with the stud dog didn't care? While I had no part in the decision making process that led to this breeding, I bred the sire. I'm pretty unhappy about the way this situation turned out and I know Linda Hoff is as well.

In this case, the bitch owner came to Soquel with a group winning bitch and good references. It was only after the fact that it became clear the owner was a dishonest creep.

So what is anyone supposed to do? Soquel didn't place the dog in that home, and they have no way to get the dog out of that environment.

For the record, a full brother to this dog wound up in a rescue a few years ago. I was notified about it. I couldn't take the dog here, because I had a male in the home already. But I took responsibility for him and made a sizable contribution to cover his expenses, and then some.
 

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Try harder?

If they are livestock, treat them as such. If they are a cash crop, treat them as such.

Because you have the boy doesn't absolve you from what happened here unless you agree to the above, does it?
What exactly do you expect Soquel to do? Send in a special ops team to dognap him from his current owners?
 

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Do you think the people involved with the stud dog didn't care? While I had no part in the decision making process that led to this breeding, I bred the sire. I'm pretty unhappy about the way it turned out and I know Linda Hoff is as well.

In this case, the bitch owner came to Soquel with a group winning bitch and good references. It was only after the fact that it became clear the owner was a dishonest creep.

So what is anyone supposed to do? Soquel didn't place the dog in that home, and they have no way to get the dog out of that environment.

For the record, a full brother to this dog wound up in a rescue a few years ago. I was notified about it. I couldn't take the dog here, because I had a male in the home already. But I took responsibility for him and made a sizable contribution to cover his expenses, and then some.
The boy was sold with breeding rights with no idea where he was headed? Or lacking language in the contract that amounts to... Don't puppy mill the boy?

I love that you stepped up. And I'm not attacking you. I KNOW these freaks. If you have a dog that is third cousin, twice removed, involved with this special special show... Seriously, you may just not know. This isn't a second tier hobby breeder. Whole nother freak show. And they are touting your lines... Think on that
 
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