[monicaei]

You know what I find MOST annoying... People who want a "cheap" puppy, but turn up their noses at rescue dogs. I guess they simply don't see any of the following facts...

1. Buying that "cheap" puppy means the person who sold it to you, on the cheap, will get rewarded for their effort.

2. The more of these litters are produced means the Doberman breed they profess to "love", becomes a muddier and muddier gene pool.

3. There are hundreds, if not THOUSANDS, of dobermans in shelters and rescues who need homes. And buying that puppy gives monetary incentive to the people who keep pumping them out and basically feeding the steady stream onto the PTS table.

4. WTF is wrong with a rescue dog? If you want a cheap puppy, what's with the need for the papers? Gonna frame them? RESCUE DOGS ARE THE SAME DOG YOU ARE BUYING ANYWAY. The ones with a bad start and coming from a bad place. Hell, they often have puppies. So rather than give the $ to people creating the problem, it's somehow "less" to support the people trying to mitigate the damage and pick up the pieces???


Sorry. Needed to get that off my chest.

 

[RedFawnRising]

Timely rant.

And, as is so often the case, mean and stupid tend to go together.

Shame the dogs are the ones who ultimately pay.

 

[Sinister]

Why I frequent CL looking for dogs, also why my next will be a foster/rescue.

 

[OliviaB]

I completely agree. Unfortunately I think a lot of people assume that rescues have problems. Most people think "rescue" and immediately assume it will have health or behavior problems. They don't realize that a lot of rescues are perfectly healthy and well behaved. They may have ended up in rescue through no fault of their own. I think until the public becomes better educated though, the horrible cycle will continue. It's so sad and extremely frustrating for sure.

 

[sam&macksmom]

I have to say there are some pretty freaking fantastic rescue dogs out there. Check out some of DT's fab rescues: http://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman-related-chat/35878-calling-all-rescuers-adopters-dobes.html

 

[heidi's mom]

ill never do anything else but adopt from rescues ... period... they are well worth every penny ( a very very minimal adoption fee)..... and they are grateful... oh i want a puppy , i wonder how many dobermans and other dogs sitting in shelters and rescues have heard that before.... my guess every one.... there is no such thing as a free or cheap dog ... and you can pretty much do just about everything with a resuce as a bought, except maybe show,,,, as all rescues are neutered... but theres rally, agility, etc...

i was in petco yesterday buying food and they had a announcment about pure bred rescues.. and that its a great way to get the type of dog you want and save a life.. they have a list up front of the store

 

[Dobejazz]

My favorite is the I need a puppy so I can train it right (especially from first time dobe owners).

 

[RedFawnRising]

my favorite is the i need a puppy so i can train it right (especially from first time dobe owners).

+1000

 

[MsMoppett]

WHY WHY WHY is it the trend to come for questions and reject the given answers? Just kind of tired of beating my head against this brick wall...

 

[GingerGunlock]

My favorite is the I need a puppy so I can train it right (especially from first time dobe owners).

I...uh...well, that was one of my reasons for a puppy. And I'm a first time Doberman owner. oster_oops:

I'm not defending it, necessarily. Except I don't think I did all that bad a job.


Otherwise, I agree with the things mentioned above. Including RFR's comment on timing. Hoo boy.

 

[Dobejazz]

I...uh...well, that was one of my reasons for a puppy. And I'm a first time Doberman owner. oster_oops:

I'm not defending it, necessarily. Except I don't think I did all that bad a job.


Otherwise, I agree with the things mentioned above. Including RFR's comment on timing. Hoo boy.

There are always exceptions

 

[MeadowCat]

I completely agree. Unfortunately I think a lot of people assume that rescues have problems. Most people think "rescue" and immediately assume it will have health or behavior problems. They don't realize that a lot of rescues are perfectly healthy and well behaved. They may have ended up in rescue through no fault of their own. I think until the public becomes better educated though, the horrible cycle will continue. It's so sad and extremely frustrating for sure.

While I agree 100% that rescue dogs are awesome (love you, Simon!), I think people also need to be realistic that rescue dogs often *do* have some issues. They are usually easy things to work with (and no harder than dealing with puppy issues), but I don't want people to look at rescue with rose colored glasses. With ANY dog, puppy or rescue, you need to be prepared to put in the work it takes to make a great dog. It takes patience, especially with rescues, as some of their "quirks" may not show up for many months.

Even Simon, who is practically perfect , has some issues that we are working. I particularly enjoyed how he "helped" Shanoa out of her coat a few days ago while we were gone, by ripping the neck to shreds. He's also helpfully destroyed dragons in the bed he ignored for months, and he has some mild resource guarding from people and other dogs. These are all things that are reasonably easy to either fix or manage, but even "perfect" rescue dogs really aren't perfect. Like any dog, they need an owner committed to putting in the work.

 

[monicaei]

While I agree 100% that rescue dogs are awesome (love you, Simon!), I think people also need to be realistic that rescue dogs often *do* have some issues. They are usually easy things to work with (and no harder than dealing with puppy issues), but I don't want people to look at rescue with rose colored glasses. With ANY dog, puppy or rescue, you need to be prepared to put in the work it takes to make a great dog. It takes patience, especially with rescues, as some of their "quirks" may not show up for many months.

Like any dog, they need an owner committed to putting in the work.

wholeheartedly agree, but the idea that a novice owner can't screw up a puppy they bought to the same, if not greater, degree is clearly debunked around here.

A responsible rescue will have the dogs in a foster situation, usually, and know it's issues. Like a good breeder, they will stand with the new owners for a lifetime, and be the fall back spot for the life of the dog. Plus, I was really getting this off my chest cuz of something I read on here in another thread p!ssed me off.

All dobes- rescue, BYB, reputable breeder puppies, are a TON of work. You get out of it what you put in.

 

[MeadowCat]

wholeheartedly agree, but the idea that a novice owner can't screw up a puppy they bought to the same, if not greater, degree is clearly debunked around here.

A responsible rescue will have the dogs in a foster situation, usually, and know it's issues. Like a good breeder, they will stand with the new owners for a lifetime, and be the fall back spot for the life of the dog. Plus, I was really getting this off my chest cuz of something I read on here in another thread p!ssed me off.

All dobes- rescue, BYB, reputable breeder puppies, are a TON of work. You get out of it what you put in.

Absolutely agree with you! Great rescues are great, and honest. Even so, Simon's issues didn't show up in his foster home. He just wasn't settled enough yet. All I want is for people to understand that rescue doesn't mean easy. I think we agree on that. A great rescue is like a great breeder. They'll support you and help you.

You are 100% right that all dogs take work.

 

[Tater927]

I...uh...well, that was one of my reasons for a puppy. And I'm a first time Doberman owner. oster_oops:

I'm not defending it, necessarily. Except I don't think I did all that bad a job.


Otherwise, I agree with the things mentioned above. Including RFR's comment on timing. Hoo boy.

Me too, kinda. My boyfriend has owned Dobes before but I haven't. He pushed to get from a breeder with health testing etc in part because that's what he prefers and in part because he wanted my first experience with this very different and unique breed to be from as good a start as possible. I have a fair amount of experience with different types of dogs and dogs with problems but I could see where he was coming from a bit.

I've only had shelter dogs so it was a bit hard for me to come to terms with paying that much for a dog so I made a deal with him. We got Tater from a breeder, but the next dog we get will be a rescue, most likely a Dobe. I respect the idea of just plain wanting to get a well bred dog from a good breeder if that's what you want so if the bf still wants to do that in the future I'm fine with it...there will just always be a rescue dog either in between or with any dog we get from a breeder.

 

[blueberry]

I love my rescue boy and my expensive (not crazy expensive, but way more than 500.00) girl puppy equally! I will say I will most likely go with another rescue next time. Having him has been a whole different fulfilment level that I never expected. He was donated 2 time before I got him. He is such a great boy!

 

[MeadowCat]

I love my rescue boy and my expensive (not crazy expensive, but way more than 500.00) girl puppy equally! I will say I will most likely go with another rescue next time. Having him has been a whole different fulfilment level that I never expected. He was donated 2 time before I got him. He is such a great boy!

As much as I want to have a well bred puppy someday, there is something special about a rescue. Simon is a senior, and rescuing a senior dog has been one of the best experiences ever.

 

[monicaei]

I'm on my 4th dobe, 1 BYB (before I knew any better) and 3 resues since. They are ALL special, unique and wonderful. Julian, my first and the BYB, we lost to cancer 4 months ago. She will always have a huge piece of my heart. She was so special that 3 other dobes got a new chance at life because of her. Roman was 4 when we got him, malnourished and recently neutered, obviously lived outside and neglected. He was the SWEETEST dog I have ever met. The older ones seem to KNOW you saved them. We got Leo when Ro passed about 3 years ago. First thing he did when he came for his home visit, was pee all over my floor and run zooms around the yard. Oh dear! He got his CGC a couple weeks ago. Very proud. The latest addition was an accident (well, more of a setup). Macondo is a little fawn girl and was part of a transport I was doing. She didn't have a place to go cuz we were full, and would have been stuck boarding her. So I agreed to foster. Foster failure.

They are all special and wonderful and work. You can chose to buy from a real breeder, or adopt from a rescue. Both wonderful, ethical stand up decisions. It's the idea that a BYB is ever a better choice that makes me crazy.

 

[Tater927]

As much as I want to have a well bred puppy someday, there is something special about a rescue. Simon is a senior, and rescuing a senior dog has been one of the best experiences ever.

The very first dog I got when I was in 7th grade, while not a senior, was an almost 5 year old black lab mix. She had been dropped off at the shelter because they had 3 kids. The youngest one was 2 and had started pulling her tail(that had previously been injured when she was hit by a car) She did not take well to that and would show her teeth or snap. The rest of my family was interested in a rather rambunctious 1 year old lab mix, but Alexis was just sitting there so sweetly I made them take her out instead. She turned out to be the best dog ever Since then I've had the bug for the kind of sad looking ones that don't get as much attention from potential adopters.

 

[RottenVonSpotten]

As much as I want to have a well bred puppy someday, there is something special about a rescue. Simon is a senior, and rescuing a senior dog has been one of the best experiences ever.

I have an unfathomable amount of respect and admiration for those who rescue seniors dogs and dogs with disabilities. All of you are amazing!