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True, but I guess what I meant is that, for whatever reason, they felt the need to be approved to hold more than 500+ dogs at one time. Yikes!

Also, are those inspections just a point in time? I'm not sure how they work, but if they are a point in time, then it would be possible that at some other time during the year, they could have signficantly more dogs on site at the same time.
The license is not just for the number of dogs on the premises, but for the number of dogs sold in a calendar year.

Licensing Information

Kennel Licensing
Description[Bureau of Dog Law Enforcement]

Act 119, the new dog law, was signed into law by Governor Rendell on October 8, 2008. This legislation was enacted to help Pennsylvania to rid its reputation as the 'Puppy Mill Capitol of the East.' The updated law is designed to greatly improve the treatment dogs receive while in commercial kennels. Under the old law, dogs could spend their entire lives in cramped, stacked cages with no opportunity to exercise and very little care, but no more. Now, dogs will benefit from larger cage sizes without wire flooring, and mandatory exercise periods and care by a trained veterinarian. The Canine Health Board was also established by Act 119 of 2008 to develop guidelines for commercial dog kennels in Pennsylvania. These improvements will help to ensure that the pets' families one day welcome into their home will be happier and healthier.

General Rules of Licensure:

Any person who keeps or operates a kennel shall, on or before January 1 of each year, apply to the department for a Kennel License. A kennel is defined as any establishment in or through which at least 26 dogs are kept or transferred in a calendar year, or a boarding kennel. Kennels shall be classified by type and the fee for the license shall be determined by kennel type, the number of dogs housed, kept, harbored, boarded, sheltered, sold, given away or transferred in or by the kennel. A separate license shall be required for each type of kennel and every location at which a kennel is kept or operated. When two or more licensed kennels are operated by the same person at the same location, each kennel shall be inspected and licensed. Kennel license applications must be renewed annually and applications must be received by January 1. All kennel licenses expire on December 31 of each calendar year.

Kennel Types (Definitions):

Kennel - Any establishment in or through which at least 26 dogs are kept or transferred in a calendar year, or a boarding kennel as defined in this act.

Private Kennel - A kennel not meeting the definition of "commercial kennel" where dogs are kept or bred by their owner, for the purpose of hunting, tracking and exhibiting in dog shows, performance events or field and obedience trials.

Pet Shop Kennel - Any kennel or person that acquires and sells dogs for the purpose of resale, whether as owner, agent or consignee, and sells or offers to sell such dogs on a retail basis.

Dealer Kennel - A kennel operating within the Commonwealth which:

publicly or privately sells or offers for sale any dog as an owner, agent or assignee for a fee, commission or percentage of the sale price;
transfers dogs at wholesale for resale to another; or
offers or maintains dogs at wholesale for resale to another. The term does not include a pound, shelter or common carrier or a kennel defined elsewhere in this section.

Rescue Network Kennel - A kennel that utilizes rescue network kennel homes with the goal of ultimately transferring the dog to a permanent owner or keeper through any means of transfer.

Research Kennel - Any Federal research kennel or other research kennel duly registered with and inspected by the Federal Government under the provisions of the Animal Welfare Act (Public Law 89-544, 7U.S.C. § 2131 et seq.) and its attendant regulations.

Boarding Kennel - Any establishment available to the general public where a dog or dogs are housed for compensation by the day, week or a specified or unspecified time. The term shall not include a kennel where the practice of veterinary medicine is performed if the kennel is covered by the provisions of the act of December 27, 1974 (P.L. 995, No. 326), known as the "Veterinary Medicine Practice Act." The term shall include any establishment available to the general public that, for consideration, takes control of dog(s) from the owner for a portion of a day for the purposes of exercise, day care or entertainment of the dog. For the purpose of this term, each time a dog enters the kennel it shall be counted as one dog. This term does not include any establishment engaged in only dog grooming or dog training. The term shall include any boarding facility physically detached from the veterinary practice which is operated by a licensed doctor of veterinary medicine, whether or not this facility is on the same premises as a building or structure subject to the provisions of the "Veterinary Medicine Practice Act."

Non-Profit Kennel - A kennel registered under the law of this Commonwealth as a nonprofit entity or a nonprofit animal control kennel under sections 901 and 1002. The term shall include kennels operated by approved medical and veterinary schools and nonprofit institutions conducting medical and scientific research, which shall be required to register, but shall not be required to pay any of the license fees set by this act, and which may use their own identification tags for dogs within their kennels without being required to attach tags hereinafter prescribed while dogs are within such kennels, if approved by the secretary.

Commercial Kennel - A kennel that breeds or whelps dogs and:

sells or transfers any dog to a dealer or pet shop-kennel, or
sells or transfers more than 60 dogs per calendar year.

Dealer - A person who:

publicly or privately sells or offers for sale any dog belonging to another person for consideration, a fee or a commission or percentage of the sale price,transfers dogs at wholesale for resale to another, or

offers or maintains dogs at wholesale for resale to another.

Out-of-State Dealer - A person who does not reside in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and who:

Sells or offers for sale a dog in this Commonwealth belonging to another person, for any type of consideration, fee, commission or percentage of the sales price; or
transfers a dog in this Commonwealth for resale to another or any type of consideration, fee, commission or percentage of the sales price.

Pennsylvania Kennel Inspections:

Kennel inspections records are available online in the Kennel Inspection Database.

*NOTE: you will need to enable pop-ups to view kennel inspection reports

Unsatisfactory Kennels:

The bureau offers a confidential Toll-Free Dog Law Tip-line to report unsatisfactory kennel conditions.
Call 1-877-DOG-TIP1 (1-877-364-8471).

Kennel Closings:

A Kennel Closing application must be submitted in order to close a licensed kennel. Once received, a dog warden will perform closing inspection to officially close the kennel. Kennel owners who desire to voluntarily close their kennel should feel free to consult with the Bureau / your dog warden for help in re-homing kennel dogs. We are very willing to provide assistance in locating opportunities for placement of dogs.

Contact
Michele Brookins
Assistant to Director
(717) 787-3062
[Email a Question]

This Item Also Applicable To
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Letter to Kennel Owners
Forms
Instructions for Kennel Licensee Renewal or Changes
Instructions for New Kennel Licensee
Kennel Closure Application
Kennel License Application (2009)
Kennel License Application (2010)
Kennel License Applicaton Out of State Dealers
Legal Library
Dogs and Cats
Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
Additional Information from the PA Dept of Agriculture Kennel Licensing Division

In the State of PA Commercial Kennels are not required to have documented exercise plans.

Do I need an exercise plan?
Yes, all kennels (except commercial kennels) need to put in writing how they exercise their dogs. Describe if the dogs get exercise in their runs, an exercise yard, walked on a leash, etc. Have your veterinarian approve, sign and date the plan, and include their veterinarian license number.

Kennel License Application FAQs
Kennel Type / Class

C. Kennel License Categories:

1) Kennel Class - Kennels meeting the definition of any of the following "Types" fall under this category of kennels:

Kennel, Private Kennel, Pet-Shop Kennel, Dealer Kennel, Rescue Network Kennel and Research Kennel.

2) Boarding Kennel Class - A kennel "Type" meeting the definition of a Boarding Kennel.

The classification (I-III) under this type of kennel is determined by dog numbers.

3) Nonprofit Kennel Class - A kennel "Type" meeting the definition of a Nonprofit Kennel.

4) Commercial Kennel Class - A kennel "Type" meeting the definition of a Commercial Kennel.

The classification (I-VI) under this type of kennel is determined by dog numbers.

5) Dealer and Out-of-State Dealer Class - Kennel "Types" meeting the definition of a Dealer or Out-of-State Dealer.

The classification (I-VI) under this type of kennel is determined by dog numbers.

D. Type and Class of Kennel License

Kennel Type - The Type of kennel license shall be based on the definition under which the applicant's kennel falls.

Kennel Class - The kennel Class shall be based on the cumulative number of dogs housed, kept, harbored, boarded or sheltered in the kennel during the previous year, PLUS, the number of dogs sold, given away or transferred by the kennel.

New Kennels - For a new kennel with no previous history, the kennel Class shall be based on the number of dogs housed, kept, harbored, boarded or sheltered in the kennel during the previous year, PLUS, an estimate of the number of dogs that will be sold, given away or transferred by the kennel.

Change of Type or Class during the Kennel Licensure Year - If the kennel "Type" or "Class" changes during the licensure year, the kennel owner shall notify the department of the change and files a new kennel license application within 7 days of the change.

http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_24476_10297_0_43/AgWebsite/Files/Forms/Instructions%20-%20Renewal%20Change%20App.pdf
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
Article from the Philadelphia Inquirer:

Even well-known breeders sell puppies with genetic problems. Kimbertal Kennels in Kimberton, Chester County, is a nationally known breeder whose customers include Phillies pitchers Curt Schilling and Danny Jackson. Kimbertal customers don't complain of parvo or distemper or of unclean kennels. While there are satisfied customers, there have been numerous complaints about genetic problems.

John LePere of Swedesboro, Gloucester County, paid $350 for a purebred rottweiler puppy from Kimbertal that was so wild LePere gave him away after six months. LePere said he later learned the dog's parents were brother and sister -- inbreeding that experts say leads to genetic problems. Kimbertal owner Robert G. Yarnall Jr. said the inbreeding was accidental.

No state or federal agency is charged with monitoring genetic problems. The state Department of Agriculture's Bureau of Dog Law Enforcement has responsibility to ensure that dogs are raised in good conditions. Agriculture officials and legislators say the agency has done little to stop problems.

The reason, they say, is that the department has conflicting responsibilities: to help farmers economically, and to inspect kennels. The department's priority is to support the economic health of farmers -- which comes before protecting the health of dogs, inspectors say.

John LePere said he didn't know the reason for his rottweiler's wild behavior until he got a copy of Buster's family background.

The papers showed what LePere and his vet had suspected: Buster was the product of close inbreeding. His parents were brother and sister; his two grandparents produced both his father and mother; his great-grandparents included a female bred to her father and a male bred to his half sister. LePere bought the dog for $350 from Kimbertal Kennel, which assured him that the puppy was well-bred. "I could tell all along that he wasn't right,'' said LePere, who bought Buster on Feb. 17, 1990, and named him for James "Buster'' Douglas, the heavyweight conqueror of Mike Tyson.

The dog was skittish, LePere said, and would flare up with no provocation. LePere said he gave up on Buster at six months of age when the 110-pound rottweiler bit his father-in-law in the hand.

"The dog knew my father-in-law,'' LePere said. "He was leaving, and all of a sudden Buster growls at him and bites him on the hand. He just freaked out.''

LePere's vet, Mark F. Magazu, had suggested that inbreeding may be causing Buster's erratic behavior. For months, LePere pressed Kimbertal Kennels to send him the pedigree. LePere got it six months after he gave Buster to a shelter.

In an interview, Yarnall, Kimbertal's manager, said the inbreeding was "an accident.'' He said much of it occurred at Kimbertal before he became manager in 1984. Inbreeding used to be encouraged, he said, though it isn't considered good practice now. Kimbertal at first offered to exchange the dog for another. LePere refused because he believed Buster would be put to death. He said he also didn't want to have a similar experience with another Kimbertal dog.

"I've never seen an animal as hyper and wild as this one,'' LePere wrote in a complaint to the Tri-State Humane Associations. "I'm not seeking any compensation for my poor misjudgment of Kimbertal.''

The Pennsylvania SPCA lists Kimbertal as one of the state's top three sources of dog complaints. The agency compiles its data by asking vets statewide to identify their clients' most serious complaints. Those customers fill out and return complaint forms.

Kimbertal, which rejects such criticism, styles itself as the nation's largest kennel of show-quality Dobermans and rottweilers.

Yarnall, a leader among kennel owners, said he has sold dogs to 274 celebrities, from boxer Muhammad Ali to singer Chubby Checker. Yarnall said complaint files don't show the majority of customers who are happy. Among Kimbertal's satisfied clients is Phillies pitcher Curt Schilling, who bought Slugger, now a 185-pound rottweiler. "He's been completely healthy,'' Schilling said.

Channel 6 reporter Dann Cuellar said his family has two dogs from Kimbertal, and both are healthy.

Kimbertal's critics say that while the kennel is clean, it breeds many dogs with genetic problems that end up in shelters. Sharon Schiele, president of Delaware Valley Doberman Pinscher Assistance, said at least 25 percent of dogs reaching the rescue group have been Kimbertal dogs or had Kimbertal bloodlines.

Barnes, of the Chester County SPCA, said of Kimbertal: "I see a lot of their animals with hip dysplasia, especially rottweilers.'' Kimbertal raises its dogs by placing pregnant females with families; they get to keep the dog after giving the kennel two litters.

Kimbertal starts to breed females at 18 months -- too young to detect genetic problems such as hip dysplasia, experts say.

Yarnall said he does preliminary X-rays, which he considers reliable. He also said the breeder arrangement with families helps socialize puppies because they are raised in a home instead of a kennel.

"Those who condemn us happen to be our competitors,'' he said. "They'd give their right eye to own this place.''

Philadephia Online -- The Philadelphia Inquirer, Page One -- Copyright Sunday, December 10, 1995
The Philadelphia Inquirer Page One
 
I have copied several posts from another thread and created this separate topic here since kennel inspection reports were not the original focus of the previous thread. However, this topic is one that is not discussed much and members may find it valuable so it has now been given its own thread. I also hope by creating a separate thread for this topic it will be more easily referred to later.
 
I'm so sorry... but this is just awful. I don't even know what to say right now... granted they fixed the problems they were warned about, but to have THAT many dogs? it's like Hoarding.
It's not hoarding.. It's just being a breeding kennel for the MONEY.
A horder is a sick person and thinks they are caring for the animals properly.
They are not sick people just hungry for money and their dogs are just treated like live stock... So sad..
 
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I did not make myself clear to tnh317 and I apologise.

What I meant to make clear about the "authorities" was the AKC registrations not the state licencing. Surely the AKC or whatever registration authority Kimbertal use must realise this breeder is a mass producer which is totally harmful to the breed and should curb the activity. That is if they care about responsible breeding !!
 
17 adult dogs and 73 puppies at the kennel? That's insane. How can anyone take care of that many puppies and socialize them? I feel very sorry for the couple of dogs that needed vet care. I'm assuming that their condition was due to boredom and lack of human contact and the fact that they lie on concrete instead of my dogs who lie on carpet or in my bed. How sad. 600 + dogs a year? Wow! Upsetting!:badcomputer1:
 
P.S. Also, did you notice that the dog's areas had chewed wood, chipped paint, broken/cracked areas and other things wrong with them? That's due to boredom and a lack of exercise that the poor dogs are subjected to. Of course they cleared those problems up. When you are mass producing and making tons of money, things like that are a drop in the bucket. How sad for all those dogs and puppies.
 
I did not make myself clear to tnh317 and I apologise.

What I meant to make clear about the "authorities" was the AKC registrations not the state licencing. Surely the AKC or whatever registration authority Kimbertal use must realise this breeder is a mass producer which is totally harmful to the breed and should curb the activity. That is if they care about responsible breeding !!
The AKC's primary mission is to continually increase registrations annually. They're not going to do anything to decrease them.
 
If this doesn't look like a dog factory...I dont know what does. It is unfortunate that there are people stupid enough to think the puppy they are getting from this horrible place is thought of and treated as an actual living being.

Visual Tour | Kimbertal Kennels


And if the purchase form doesn't reassure these idiots that all this puppy mill is concerned about is the deposit in the bank, they should not be allowed to have any kind of animal in the first place.

Purchase Form | Kimbertal Kennels


Puppy Mill definition from Wikipedia: A puppy mill, sometimes known as a puppy farm, is a commercial dog breeding facility that is operated with an emphasis upon profits above animal welfare and is often in substandard conditions regarding the well-being of dogs in their care.

It doesn't say that in order to be considered a puppy mill, the animals have to be starving, or living in wire cages.
 
OMG! That is an insane amount of dogs. What I don't understand is the legality of it. Individuals are arrested all the time for animal cruelty to one or two animals, but puppy mills like this are allowed to do this to hundreds of animals with minimal requirements of standards. I don't get it. It's infuriating!

States spend a crap load of money on animal control, when they could help the problem by eliminating the source and make puppy mills illegal, but I guess that makes too much sense.
 
P.S. Also, did you notice that the dog's areas had chewed wood, chipped paint, broken/cracked areas and other things wrong with them? That's due to boredom and a lack of exercise that the poor dogs are subjected to. Of course they cleared those problems up. When you are mass producing and making tons of money, things like that are a drop in the bucket. How sad for all those dogs and puppies.
Have to admit that I have a partially bred Kimbertal male (Wiking di Perlaner) and he is not bored, never crated, nor lacking excercise, always cared for, constant companion and deeply loved BUT given the opportunity he will destroy a pillow, make a blanket look like swiss cheese. Totally obedience trained, CGC, and a lovely friendly dog....Can I assume that because he is gran sired by Kimbertal male ? that these issues occur? I know they are an issue, I live with it and deal with it and wouldn't trade him for Anyhing!!!!Therenis not a one of us, human or 4 legged that DOES not have an issue! the mind is very complicated. I do not condone the above descrives scenarios but I am awarew that there are MANT "reputable. ethical breeders who have accidents, over breed and yet they are not chastized!!!! Makes one think it is not WHAT you know But WHO you know!!!
 
Originally Posted by Kimbertalkls
Because we are a commercial kennel and produce pups for sale we are called a puppy mill. We have no wire cages or females bred repeatedly. We have won lawsuits against those using that term because most judges picture the 60 minutes version as a puppymill so it is considered slander to call a breeder that who does not fit the publics impression of a puppy mill. We are far from that except in the tons of hearsay found on this forum. Anne
I did a quick search on the Internet to look up the definition of a puppy mill. Here's a sample of what I found:

Definitions of Puppy mill on the Web:

•A puppy mill, sometimes known as a puppy farm, is a commercial dog breeding facility that is operated with an emphasis upon profits above animal welfare and is often in substandard conditions regarding the well-being of dogs in their care. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_mill

•A farm that breeds dogs for profit, often in squalid conditions
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/puppy_mill

•Somebody who breeds puppies in mass for the purpose of resale (generally to a pet store) no regards are taken to proving the parent dogs are worthy of passing on their genetics. Often the parent dogs live in horrid conditions, with no regard to health care or mental well-being.
therealowner.com/pets/pet-definitions/​
You mention that you've won lawsuits against those using that term (puppy mill), please do share the county and court case numbers of those lawsuits. It would be very interesting to read support for your side of the story.

I visited your newly updated website, and find it interesting in that, it's one of the only sites I've visited that does not include information regarding the the dam of the puppies offered for sale. Why is that?

Let's start with this, and see how open you are about your operation.
 
but I am awarew that there are MANT "reputable. ethical breeders who have accidents, over breed and yet they are not chastized!!!! Makes one think it is not WHAT you know But WHO you know!!!
What would be more helpful to the discussion is for you to name those ethical breeders you claim over breed.

I'd be quite interested to hear which ethical breeder moved 600+ puppies in a year.
 
Kimbertal is a commercial kennel that sells directly to the public - as such is is definitely a step above the puppy mills here in PA that cannot be viewed by the public. I'm not condoning what Kimbertal does - I've seen way too many rescues that came from K-tal to do that, but we do need to make a distinction between the two.
 
This thread is ALL ABOUT MONEY AND GREED. Nothing else. The excuses Anne has made are just about as feeble as any I've seen. Anne isn't the only culprit either, some of the well known famous breeders we all hear about must have the dollar sign shining in their eyes too because what Anne does isn't too far away what the well known and famous do with stud dogs, bitches out on breeding contracts etc. Not all puppies from top notch show winners are show quality, the majority are pets and sold to pet homes for probably top dollar just to support the breeder's habit and fix of attending shows week after week after week.

The reality is Anne knows all about herself, she has even told us about the law suits she won which is probably intended as a warning so give her some credibility because she is after all very up front. But what about the rest............ are they a puppy mill in disguise ?
 
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