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Hi everyone,

My doberman, Karma, is 9 months old now, and is also spayed. I recently went on a business trip and my partner was left home alone with Karma and our Boxer, Rebel. While I was gone, she developed diarrhea and had multiple accidents in the house. I came home yesterday and she hasn't had a pooping accident in the house since, but she did pee in the hall and on the deck. Also, she's being extremely vocal (whining, crying, and moaning), and just plain acting weird.

I first suspected a urinary tract infection, but we haven't yet managed to collect a good sample that the vet can use to test. But then I noticed on the deck a pot of morning glories my partner had moved from the gated garden, and bits of leaves and stems on the deck by it, so I assume either she or Rebel (or both) have ingested some. I know morning glories can be poisonous in large quantities, but my partner insists she wasn't eating the plant.

However, we did also change her diet last week, but she didn't have any issues for the first few days; this all just started the last few days.

I did manage to get a video of her behavior and moans while lying on the bed with her. Here's the link: Karma - YouTube

What do you all think? I want to take her to the vet
 

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Hi everyone,

My doberman, Karma, is 9 months old now, and is also spayed. I recently went on a business trip and my partner was left home alone with Karma and our Boxer, Rebel. While I was gone, she developed diarrhea and had multiple accidents in the house. I came home yesterday and she hasn't had a pooping accident in the house since, but she did pee in the hall and on the deck. Also, she's being extremely vocal (whining, crying, and moaning), and just plain acting weird.

I first suspected a urinary tract infection, but we haven't yet managed to collect a good sample that the vet can use to test. But then I noticed on the deck a pot of morning glories my partner had moved from the gated garden, and bits of leaves and stems on the deck by it, so I assume either she or Rebel (or both) have ingested some. I know morning glories can be poisonous in large quantities, but my partner insists she wasn't eating the plant.

However, we did also change her diet last week, but she didn't have any issues for the first few days; this all just started the last few days.

I did manage to get a video of her behavior and moans while lying on the bed with her. Here's the link: Karma - YouTube

What do you all think? I want to take her to the vet
If you are seriously saying "you want to take her to the vet" then you should already BE at the vet.
Especially since this has been going on for a couple of days --
Please take your dog to the vet NOW.
 

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Get a punch ladle at a dollar store to collect urine.
Get rid of the morning glories.
Get your girl in to the vet.
 

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I would be at the vet, but they had already closed. I will take her in tomorrow morning though. And thanks you for the info. I will check her ears and try the ladle idea to get a good urine sample.


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If she were mine and was that uncomfortable I'd have her at the e-clinic immediately.

Here's something to think about while you're watching her going through this....there is a good chance that by her pawing at her ears she could get a hematoma in one or both. Then you're going to have two problems to deal with.

Get her to a vet now!!!
 

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I would be at the vet, but they had already closed. I will take her in tomorrow morning though. And thanks you for the info. I will check her ears and try the ladle idea to get a good urine sample.


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if there's an emergency vet in the area, i'd be there instead of posting on a webforum.
 

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Generally Dobermans mask their pain like cats do. If your dobe is actually showing signs of discomfort, I would take her to an e-vet. Better safe than sorry. Sending good vibes to Karma. I hope she feels better soon!
 

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Hi everyone,
... Also, she's being extremely vocal (whining, crying, and moaning), and just plain acting weird.

I did manage to get a video of her behavior and moans while lying on the bed with her. Here's the link: Karma - YouTube

What do you all think? I want to take her to the vet
Your dog is not acting weird, your dog is clearly crying and moaning and trying to tear it's ears up in distress.

What part of your dog is having issues, foremost, with it's ears, do you not see?

Your dog may have other issues, concurrently, but a dog digging at it's ears is not a UTI.
They urinate from somewhere else.

A Veterinarian knows how to obtain a urine sample.

Foremost, the sample has to be sterile. So, when you wrote:"
"I first suspected a urinary tract infection, but we haven't yet managed to collect a good sample that the vet can use to test."

Leave the Vet work to the Vets'.

The time it took you to record your youtube video, could have been the time you were on the phone with a Vet, or on the way to the office for medical attention.

There are multiple things you could do at home, but I'm not going to waste my time with advice, if you don't care about your dog enough to make a phone call to a Vet and would rather video- with sound- your dog's distress.
 

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I would be at the vet, but they had already closed. I will take her in tomorrow morning though. And thanks you for the info. I will check her ears and try the ladle idea to get a good urine sample.


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Definitely at least the one ear...left. She could just have a flea in there or maybe an infection has started. Have you ever cleaned a dogs ears before? It's really not hard, but she will still need her ears looked at by a vet if she keeps this pawing and scratching up.
 

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Poor girl, she is clearly in distress.

Let us know what the vet says.
 

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The peeing and squitty poops could have been seperation anxiety.

The ear thing, oh lordy, that dog is in some pain, please let us know what the Vet says. We are all keeping our fingers and paws crossed it is something simple like a silly grass seed down there and that the vet pulls it out and hey presto she is all better.

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Sorry for posting it late. We did go to the emergency clinic last night. Found out she has ear mites and Chronic Active Hepatitis. She's on meds and supplements as well as a special hepatic food diet. Going back to our regular vet in a week and again in two weeks. Once the mites are cleared up, they'll check for ear infection as well. They'll also re-check her liver levels in two weeks to see if thats's improving or if we need to take her to a specialist. All we can do now is let her get lots of rest and keep her well hydrated.

Thanks again everyone for your posts. Though it cost more, I'm glad we went in last night. I felt a lot better about it, and hopefully Karma will start feeling better soon too.


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Thank you for the update. Glad to hear she is doing better.

What made them say she has Chronic Active Hepatitis? I ask because I have a dobe with CAH and it took several liver monitoring blood values, weeks of tests and a liver biopsy to confirm and properly treat. My dog's CAH is caused by copper storage disease which we are have been treating with chelators, Denamarin, other supplements and special liver diet. No hepatic damage was seen during biopsy. She is doing well with treatment and liver values are now in normal ranges.

9 months is quite young for a dog to develop CAH. I advise you to pursue the specialist. I had one dobe die at age 4 due to CAH progression into liver failure.

Best of luck and keep us updated.
 

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Sorry for posting it late. We did go to the emergency clinic last night. Found out she has ear mites and Chronic Active Hepatitis. She's on meds and supplements as well as a special hepatic food diet. Going back to our regular vet in a week and again in two weeks. Once the mites are cleared up, they'll check for ear infection as well. They'll also re-check her liver levels in two weeks to see if thats's improving or if we need to take her to a specialist. All we can do now is let her get lots of rest and keep her well hydrated.

Thanks again everyone for your posts. Though it cost more, I'm glad we went in last night. I felt a lot better about it, and hopefully Karma will start feeling better soon too.


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Thank you for such quick action going to the ER Vet and the update.

That's some good Karma.
 

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Found out she has ear mites and Chronic Active Hepatitis.
Do you mean they did a CBC and found she had elevated liver enzyme levels? And said that it could be anything but since she is doberman, it is probably CAH? (not a dx btw).

Is she on antibiotics, if so which ones? That is a reasonable 1st line of defence against liver levels being high since the liver will be impacted by any infection going on anywhere in the body.
 
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