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Dear All,

September 26th, 2000 was the happiest day of my life because Nero came into my life at the age of 1 month and 13 days.
During his life he was the most faithful and loving boy, the best friend on whom I could always count and who was always succeeding in making me happy no matter i was facing the worst days in my life.

In 2008 Nero was found with a tumor and vets have suspected that this was located on spleen. We decided not to proceed with the tumor removal because the surgery was supposed to be risky.
Between 2008 and 2010 Nero had no health problem despite this tumor which continued to grow. From December 2010 he was not able to get out of bed unless he was helped by us by providing support to his back legs.

On February 20, 2012 i decided to go ahead with the surgery and remove the tumor because my baby wasn't eating and he wasn't able to stand anymore. I thought this would be his last chance...
The problem is that during the surgery the vet established that Nero had a tumor located on the abdominal wall and not on spleen how i thought in the past 3 years. When the vets removed the tumor, my boy died because of cardiac decompensation.

Since i lost my baby i am a different person and i feel guilty. If i had decided to operate my boy 3 years ago for sure he would have lived today.
The problem is that 3 different vets were not able to make an accurate diagnosis of the tumor so my boy ended to die.Here in Romania vets are not trained accordingly and they operate as in the 10th century.I'm ashamed of Romania and I'm ashamed i live here....

My questions are:

- have you ever heard about tumor located on abdominal wall? Have your boys ever experienced this disease?

I suspect the vets killed my boy willfully as none of his organs was affected by the tumor. I cannot explain how he died...I still remember how he was crying when i took him to the car and how he was kissing me before the surgery :(

- do you think i have any chance to win the trial if i decide to sue the vets?

Thanks a lot,
Madalina

PS: Here is a video with my baby:

Goodbye Nero (Tribute to my dog that died) - YouTube

I miss him a lot and i will always love him :(
 

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First and foremost, I am SO sorry for your loss.

Second, we lost our boy Roman during/post removal of a hemangiosarcoma on his spleen four years ago. The anger you are feeling is perfectly normal. It's part of grief. I was furious at my vet. When the fog of pain subsided I realized that sometimes these things just happen. I took away a valuable lesson as well, not even once since that day have any of my dogs had surgery more simple than speuter in a vets office. It's a hospital or fully staffed surgical suite only. Ro died overnight, post op. Never again. It wasn't my vets fault, per say. It was no ones really. He was 11 and had cancer, and it was his time.

As to a lawsuit... It's not worth the money it would cost you to file. I suggest a strongly worded letter to your vet if you TRULY believe their was negligence on their part. You won't recover much from the court system, if anything.

Edit: missed the part about Romania. Don't know jack about their legal system, so disregard
 

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I am so sorry for your loss! It sounds like you did what you could and always took your boy's best interest into consideration. You should absolutely not feel guilty and it sounds like Nero lived a long and fulfilled life. Anyone, animals and people, can have complications while under surgery and sometimes, there is nothing that can be done to prevent it or reverse it. It is a very sad truth. Tumors can end up just about anywhere though certain places are more common than others especially if there is a certain type of cancer associated with the mass. I'm not sure about in Romania but I know in the U.S. it is often difficult to sue a veterinarian because of the way medicine is. Something that works for one patient can be disastrous for another. If you truly think the vet is negligent and is the cause then I would suggest finding other people who may have lost pets due to malpractice.
Sending good vibes and ease your way.

Your tribute is very touching. Remember the good and let the bad fall away. Replaces sadness with memories of Joy.
 

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Thank you a lot for your message monicaei and annolyn

The problem is that i have no logical explanation for his death.
After Nero died, 3 different vets who attended the surgery told me 3 different possible reasons of his death: septicemia, heart attack and cardiac decompensation.
After i talked with the Head of university clinics, the vets have agreed it was cardiac decompensation...

However, the vets' behavior before and after the surgery was completely unprofessional...I waited 2 hours on the clinics hall before the surgery began (although he was scheduled for 11, it began at 1 o'clock) and at 1.20 an assistant (NOT THE SURGEON with whom i had the discussion) announced me that the dog is dead.
Unfortunately Romania is a jungle where animals have no protection and vets are killers who remain unpunished...

I know that a trial will not bring my baby back, but i am really really really sad because i lost him :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:( It's my fault because i didn't decide to operate him earlier and because i chose that stupid surgeon to operate him :(
And you're right annolyn... i should remember with joy about the moments spent together but now i feel very guilty and sad and each day i wake up and fall asleep thinking at him...
 

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Did you have an autopsy done? I really do not think you will have any luck suing them and I advise you to save your money, it will not bring him back.

He was quite old for a Dobermann and surgery risks increase dramatically for older dogs.. it may just have been his time. If you had done the surgery three years before there is no guarantee he would have survived then and because he was getting old any way there is no guarantee he would not have died of natural causes at 12.

I am incredibly sorry for your loss, I am and seriously do not feel bad, it was not your fault.

I think if I had scheduled a surgery and had an seen the vet in an unprofessional light beforehand I wouldve walked out of the clinic and gone elsewhere but having said that it does not sound like you have a lot of choices over there.

Use your story to educate your family and friends about finding a professional vet and asking lots of questions, like I said before I think you have little hope of winning your case I am sorry to say. Nero was an old dobe and he had a good life with you, just think of it that way and in time you will heal.
 

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I feel for your heart ache. I have lost 2 of my girls almost back to back, as a former vet tech I was fortunate enough to hold them both when they left. Neither died well. If there was anything in this world I could do to take it back....... The only thing to heal your pain is time. Believe me I played the should have, could have game. I knew what was wrong with both prior to their deaths and there still wasn't a damn thing I could do to change it. That was almost 7 yrs ago, it still hurts and always will but time makes it hurt a little less. Hugs to you and that your heart will heal.
 

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no nightgrace6, unfortunately i didn't request an autopsy. The moment i heard he died the sky fell on me and I was not even thinking he might have died because of vet malpractice. I started to ask myself questions after i buried him...
The next day i called the vet and asked him to show me the pictures taken during the surgery and he refused to show them to me ( i operated him at Faculty of Veterinary Medicine and the vets took photos to serve as teaching materials for students!!!!!!!!! around 70 photos in 15 mins) I think that for the vets this surgery was a kind of experiment...
And you're totally right, i should have left the clinics in the next 10 minutes after i noticed nobody cared about him...Now it's too late...:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 

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First let me say how sorry I am about your best friend.

Secondly, pet owners must keep in mind.......there's always someone who graduated at the bottom of their class. And they practice somewhere......
 

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It wasnt your fault, you thought if you did The surgery 3 years ago he would die. You did what you thought best at The time, I agree save your money and Not sue. If it is as bad as you say it is it will just cause you more stress and heartache. May he rest in peace, he knew you loved him and that you did what you thought was right.
 

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I'm so sorry for your loss. No guilt, their time is their time. We think we have control over when they leave us, but we don't. Was he over 12 years old? That is really old for a Doberman, I think you must have taken incredible care of him to live to be that old. Hugs....I know your pain well, lost my boy in August, today is 7 months and I'm still crying way too often. ox
 

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Luvbirds, Nero was only 11 years and a half...I don't think i had too much care of him as he died suddenly because of a tumor... I even saw Dobe who lived 14-15 years...
VZ-Doberman, the vet who operated Nero is the head of the surgery department at the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine (oncology specialist), but his experience was useless and his behavior was fully unprofessional. I should have chosen a vet hospital outside this stupid country and maybe Nero would have been alive now :(:(:(:(:(
 

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Really really good vets aren't unlike really really good human surgeons, personality wise. There is a level of arrogance that simply seems unavoidable. It's not just vets and MDs, find anyone at the top of their field who isn't a prima Donna and I'd like to shake that persons hand.

Not saying he is or isn't a good vet, but bedside manner has NOTHING to do with surgical skill. Like stated above, I will take skill with a scalpel over doctor happy everyday of the week.
 

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I am so very, very sorry for your loss. It is so heartbreaking to lose them. He lived a lot longer than most but it is never long enough. There were no guarantees that if you had Nero operated on 3 years before, that the result would have been the same and you had 3 more years with him. You made a beautiful tribute to your boy.
 

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I don't think a lawsuit would work--it doesn't sound like you have any evidence to offer other than your impressions of the vet's unprofessionalism--that would probably devolve into a he said-she said sort of situation. Pointless and expensive.

You could probably file a complaint to whatever professional society the vet is a member of, and file a formal written complaint with the hospital management.

But nothing about life is certain--and that includes the time and way we pass from this world into the next. It is part of the mourning process to feel guilty and angry when we deal with the loss of a special companion. You loved your dog, and you did as much as was humanly possible to give him a good life. Everyone makes mistakes, but you have no reason to kick yourself--you made the best decisions you could with the knowledge you had at the time.

A lawsuit won't bring him back. And it would probably make your anger and guilt grow and become more damaging to your well-being.

Time will pass and you will never forget him--but your memories of him will become less painful and more nostalgic. I'm sorry you lost your boy and I hope you come soon to a place where you remember the joy and fun times you two had together more than the pain of letting him go.
 

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So sorry for your loss of your Nero. I agree that perusing a lawsuit would only prolong your pain. It will take time, but the pain will ease. 11 1/2 is a long life, and from your tribute, he had a great life. I love seeing the photos of him laying upside down. He was a handsome boy. RIP.
 

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Thank you all for the encouraging posts.
You are right that a lawsuit won't bring him back, but it would be my only chance to do justice...
 

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I am so incredibly sorry for your loss.... it's obvious in all your postings that you truly loved your sweet Nero. It's sad to say, but 11 1/2 is a decently long life with a Doberman. It's never as long as we like, unfortunately.

It's impossible not to feel guilty and have "what ifs" during times like this. I lost my last dog to a spleen tumor that burst. There were zero external signs on my stoic girl other than a very slight decrease in energy the night before. The next morning, she didn't get up, and I had to take her in and ultimately ended up having to euthanize her. I felt a TON of guilt, even though it was completely unfounded. If only I had caught it sooner, I wish I had taken her out on more hikes in the past year/months/weeks, I wish I had loved on her more, I should have paid more attention to her, I should have waited to get this Doberman puppy until she was gone, etc. etc. etc. It's normal. It honestly doesn't accomplish anything though other than to make your grief worse. Think of what you DID do for your dog. You provided him with so much love, many wonderful experiences, and you helped him stand up for over a year! Seriously, find some more old photos, reminisce and laugh about the good times because the big picture is that Nero was so very lucky to have found you, and vice versa. He had a wonderful life. That's the only way to find peace.

With an elderly dog, and that's what Nero was, surgery is always risky, even when they're healthy. If he needed help every time he stood up, he was in a weakened state. ****ty things happen out of our control. A lawsuit is just something you feel like you can DO because during times like this we all wish there was something to do to make us feel better, but the only thing that will help accomplish that is time, and a focus on the wonderful times you spent together.

Nero is now running around without pain, up there with my husky girlie and many other wonderful beings.

Again, my condolences to you.
 
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