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Little Miss Crack Baby :dancing_3 had an.....ahem....interesting weekend at a show. She Q'ed the first day in Novice (which gave her her 2nd leg towards her CD) then NQ'ed very dramatically the next two days. Rather than suffer through another round of her getting away with bad behavior, we left and skipped the last day.

I've decided she's not going to show again until our club's trial in February. That should give her some time to grow her brain and her attention span. I've obviously pushed too hard and expected too much.....after all, she's just a baby still, even though I forget that sometimes. She's just so quick and learns things so fast, it's easy to forget that she might not be able to put them all together in the same 5 minute time span!

On a happier note, Storm's recovery from her second knee surgery in two years is going very well, and I'm probably going to enter her in our fall trials, which are Sept. 8-11. Only in Rally Advanced, and maybe Graduate Novice. I won't ask her to do a Long Sit for quite a while, as I feel that would set her up for failure of she was hurting and wanted to lie down. Grad Novice only calls for a Long Down, and also gives her the chance to practice over the high and broad jumps, and also to do the dumbbell recall. I will make the call that day as to whether or not to show her in it - I'm worried about the jumping but we'll just see where she is. If she's doing well then I'll let her try it, and if I have any doubt I will pull her out.
 

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i mean this in the most non-offensive way i can think of - but i am simply looking out for an organization that i hold very near and dear to my own heart.

i am curious - since you have used SND for not only one, but to help pay for BOTH of storm's knee surgeries -

wouldnt it make sense to stop showing so you can afford the medical care on your dogs (since i know entries are easily 20 dollars apiece, and i rarely went to a show where i didnt spend more, including gas)? i would just think that if you need help paying their medical bills for these things (And no doubt, knee surgery is a big thing and not many people would be able to drop a few grand for knee surgery) than it would seem prudent to skip weekends of 100 buck-entry fees to help pay off, or start donating the money back to SND for other dogs that need the help.

im not saying you shouldnt show ever - i used SND for my own dobe 4 years ago when both steve and grace insisted i take the help (which i DID need) and did end up showing him later on - but i have done my best to help out with SND and donate back to them, encouraging others to help as well, once i became more financially stable (i was a vet student then and had already spent 5000 on him, and tapped out all my resources - SND paid for his MRI). but during that time you better believe that i went without to help pay for things. it would just seem that while in the immediate time frame that you needed financial assistance, cutting out extraneous things like showing would make sense? i know personally it makes me very hesitant to donate to a case if i know you are out there showing dogs, but still taking money from SND since i know what it cost to show and train in obedience. i dont know the particulars of the case, and again, im sorry since i know i am probably overstepping the line here, but i really do respect Steve, Dave, and all of SND immensely for the help they provide everyone, and my concerns lie with protecting an organization like SND as much as possible. grace was a wonderful mentor to me when she was alive, and the phone call from steve when i announced bowie had died was comforting and so meaningful, as bowie meant so much to everyone, not just me - and including many in SND, since he was one of the early cases.


either way, congrats on ava's second leg, and i wish storm a speedy recovery. did she have a TPLO? my male is only 14-15 months old and he is nowhere ready to compete, his attention span runs out the window with distractions, hopefully that will resolve with further training and when he matures in... oh... say... 2 years.
 

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Congratulations on Ava's first day, but sorry to hear about the remainder of the weekend. Its good that you recognize not to push it and work on a solid performance instead and take the time you need to accomplish this.

And great news about Storm's recovery...Hoping she will heal quickly and get back in her routine.
 

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Congratulations on Ava's second leg and doing a bit more training is probably a good idea--heavens knows it's happened to me with some of the dogs in performance

Gosh, if you don't think Storm is ready for long sits yet I surely wouldn't be letting her jump.

We deal with a lot of post cruciate and post lateral ligament repairs in our clinic and generally the specialists recommend that they not have heavy exercise or any jumping for six month or more.

When was Storms repair done?
 

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doberkim said:
i dont know the particulars of the case, and again, im sorry since i know i am probably overstepping the line here
You are overstepping, and I'll explain further not for your benefit, but for others on here who are probably thinking, WTF?

Entries were bought and paid for before this surgery became necessary. I called to try and get my money back, and it was one day past the close date for the trials. They don't care if your dog is injured/has died/whatever, AKC regulations state that if it is past the close date there are no refunds.

We have a camper, so we did not pay for a hotel. We pack our own food that we have in our home. After I had decided to go to this show, my husband scheduled a coordinated training mission for his military unit and the unit stationed where the trial was. Which involved dozens of soldiers from both units, so needless to say that was not cancelled just because we thought about not attending these trials. So we were driving there, dog trials or no dog trials. So yes, Ava showed, because we were there anyway and yes, I'd already paid for her entries.

Our club's fall trial is in the same town we live in, and my possibly entering Storm in two classes is hardly something to get worked up about. Especially since it's a possibility and not a reality. It's more like wishful thinking - I don't think she's ready to do more than walk - so it's far from a likely possibility.

Perhaps you could have contacted me privately and asked about the situation before you jumped to so many conclusions on a public BB.
 

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Ignorant question here, but what is "SND?" Just curious..
 

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Also - let me know if you have any more questions about my finances, or would like to audit my grocery receipts (yes, I use coupons) or bank account for recent activity. I deeply resent your assumption that I am not doing my best to pay Storm's surgical and therapy bills. I am humbled by the SND's caring and willing approach to help Dobermans in need and I would not abuse their organization in such a manner as you have implicated.

LeighaG81 - SND is Special Needs Dobermans. They are a not-for-profit group that helps Dobermans in health crises. One way they fundraise is through auctions on eBay (so check them out!) and they also take donations through their website. Any donations are tax-deductible, and many employers offer matching gifts to non-profits.
 

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TwoDobieGirls said:
LeighaG81 - SND is Special Needs Dobermans. They are a not-for-profit group that helps Dobermans in health crises. One way they fundraise is through auctions on eBay (so check them out!) and they also take donations through their website. Any donations are tax-deductible, and many employers offer matching gifts to non-profits.
Ah, okay. Thanks TDG, I'll have to check it out and maybe buy some things from them on ebay! :)
 

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You know, I think Doberkims inquiry was valid and, quite frankly, put forward in a very courteous and polite manner. She certainly did not attack you in any way, so why so defensive and snide?

Really, I'll bet there are allot of other contributors to SND thinking the same thing, and I think it is good to show that the people that are out there contributing and giving their time to this awesome organization are not blindly giving but are being protective of the orgainzation as well. For every person who receives help from SND, there is likely another who is trying to benefit from the organization under less than credible circumstances.

When there is a question, there is nothing wrong with asking. Chances are there's more than one individual who wants to ask that same question. There was no accusation there, just a question, and thanks to Doberkim for screwing up the nerve to do it.

BTW, congratulations on Ava's second leg. :)
 

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You know, I think Doberkims inquiry was valid and, quite frankly, put forward in a very courteous and polite manner. She certainly did not attack you in any way, so why so defensive and snide?
I agree. I've always stopped at the nationals that I attend and drop money into the SND donation jar or bought tickets on what they were raffling, etc. I would also wonder what Kim was wondering under the circumstances. Seriously, you can't blame us for wanting to know if our money was going towards someone's show entries!
 

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When there is a question, there is nothing wrong with asking. Chances are there's more than one individual who wants to ask that same question. There was no accusation there, just a question, and thanks to Doberkim for screwing up the nerve to do it.
I disagree 100%, although no rules were broken persay I feel that it was in poor taste to bring that up in a public forum. Kim could have and IMHO should have sent a PM to TwoDobieGirls and gotten the information she needed rather than listing how much it was going to cost to show that weekend without even knowing the facts. Then proceed to say how she should be giving back to SND without even knowing if she has or has not given back to SND.

MaryAndDobes said:
I agree. I've always stopped at the nationals that I attend and drop money into the SND donation jar or bought tickets on what they were raffling, etc. I would also wonder what Kim was wondering under the circumstances. Seriously, you can't blame us for wanting to know if our money was going towards someone's show entries!
I certainly cant say I blame you for wanting to know but I think a private message would have been a tad bit more respectful to everyone involved.

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i dont know the particulars of the case, and again, im sorry since i know i am probably overstepping the line here
She even says that she is sorry and realizes she is overstepping the line before posting but proceeds to post anyway?

Congratulations on Ava's second leg TwoDobieGirls

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You know, I think Doberkims inquiry was valid and, quite frankly, put forward in a very courteous and polite manner. She certainly did not attack you in any way, so why so defensive and snide?
I'm sorry that you've labeled me defensive and snide, when I did not intend to come off like that. So since we all interpret things differently and not always how they are intended, I'm sure you can understand that to me, Doberkim came off as assumptive and was insinuating the worst about me. Rather than just asking a simple question, she posted at some length about her assumptions.

I was extremely offended and I don't get offended very easily. I take issue with the assumptions she made WITHOUT knowing the facts.
 

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Well, TDG nobody asked for an audit of bank accounts, or grocery bills and nobody made any blatant accusations. I believe the replies made were a bit over board. DK presented a question, and thought enough to share the thought behind it, simple enough.

We'll have to agree to disagree, I feel there was nothing wrong with the inquiry. There was more than one person wondering that very same thing and now we all know. Saves TDG having to answer multiple PM's.
 

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I think SND is a wonderful thing and I do know of people who have legitimately used them. I do think that Special Needs Dobermans gets abused and I have seen that as well. We had a male come into rescue a year or two ago that had double ACL surguries paid for by SND. I know where these people lived and if they were poor, I'd eat my hat. The dog was turned in because the guy said "he can't run around with my kids anymore and I don't want a defective dog". Made me sick.

My first foster puppy died at age 3. Her adoptive family spent $1000's on her vet bills and we (rescue volunteers) finally talked them into contacting SND to help with future vet bills, and they did. Since SND only pays current bills directly to the vet, it could not help with all the bills that they had paid for with a credit card.

I'd like to see SND do a more background checks on the people asking for help with medical bills, but I do understand how difficult it is just to run the program at all.

I'm not accusing the poster of abusing SND as I have no idea what her financial situation is, but I do understand where Kim is coming from. She has benefited from SND, and is in the unique postion of understanding what they are all about. We all have to be willing to stick our neck out sometimes and police our own for various reasons - If we don't do it, who will???
 

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I am thankful that not everyone is so quick to judge as some members of this board are.

Again - rather than making her own assumptions and in the process putting the suggestion of doubt in others' minds, she could have PM'ed me and asked what was going on. I would have been more than happy to answer questions privately.

I'm not in the business of taking advantage. Seems some of you know plenty of people who are, which makes you quick to assume the worst of me.
 

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I must very very respectfully say that I don't really feel Kim was that out of line. Perchance, yes it was very off topic, and yes it may have been better to PM ( no disagreements there), but I feel, and apologies to Kim if this offends, but generally she doesn't spare feelings with her comments when they are directed to possible disagreements ;), however I feel that in this case she left the door wide open to the fact that she may be wrong or misinformed as to any comments she did make ( as she admits to not really knowing the whole story, which none of us do, and apologized beforehand if she was indeed mistaken).

I really feel that, with the exception of a few people that do personally know eachother on here, for the most part, no one really knows anyone past their screen name. I think twodobies is a wonderful woman, that clearly loves her dogs, and is 110% devoted to them. I can understand why she took the questions personally, however, in trying to step back and look at it from an outside perspective, humbly IMO, I do not believe in the slightest that they were actually meant to offend.


With Kim as involved in rescue and serious cases as she is, I think it just came to her mind as a concern, as I'm sure she has seen people abuse the help of SND. Twodobies has made it clear that was just not the case, and I for one believe that 100%. I agree most fully with Velma, sometimes one must stick their neck out for the possible protection of the organization (to that effect anyway). People listen to me preach day in and day out about S/N and declaws and such, and I know to some people it is old news, and to others, I probably offend (I'm sure :)), b/c they say, what business is it of yours? True, no business of mine.... but my concern non the less.


Back to the topic now! I'm so glad Storm is recovering well!!!! We really MUST see some more pics of them! I really wish I could get to show Lex, I wanted to so badly! I'm so envious of you! I am hoping (paws crossed) that my work will cut to part time this fall, and then I will seriously consider it. As it is now, I work every weekend (not negotiable), and have a set day off in the week, so it has truly hindered me. Glad you've been visiting us (DT) more lately! I love to hear your stories, especially since they are close to home (as I would love to get into showing also)!
 

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TDG:
I am sorry that feathers got ruffled, but at the very least I found out about SND. I had never heard of the organization before and I will definitely check it out.

I am also glad to hear that storm is recovering, tho for the life of me I don't know how you can keep her from running or jumping! keep us posted on her progress and also little Ava's progress too.

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TDG:
I am also glad to hear that storm is recovering, tho for the life of me I don't know how you can keep her from running or jumping!
A very strong reinforced leash and a lot of patience :win2k:
 
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