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I will leave the advice to the pros. I just want you to know I love the videos and I love you two. BTW, MR. B can come live with me anytime you decide you don't want him.
Thanks for the kind words Aunt Bonnie !
 

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Well my friends - Mr. B and headed to the basement training grounds - again . I can not say How much I love him working with me on my Rally OB - God knows - I sure do need it ! He is so patience with me : ) My knee is lots better but still not working 100 % : )

Now for the video - When we started - the furnace came on - that's what he is looking at - so we started over :grin2: - You know at was a very good thing = distraction ! it was on the whole time so he got use to it . Things like that could trip you up in ring .

Fire away ! I need the advice - I'm going to get the on-line training and see if that helps me out .

Enjoy Mr. Business training me :grin2:

Things are coming along!

One thing I'd suggest is simply...talking to Mr. B! In Rally, you can talk to your dog. I think you might find Mr. B is more enthusiastic to work if you praise him, use your voice to let him know he's doing well, etc., between exercises. I get tons of enthusiasm from Sypha after she does something great when I tell her how BRILLIANT she is and that she's the SMARTEST girl ever! High pitched voice, super happy....!
 

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I finally got a chance to watch it. And yeah, it's hard to train when you are ouchie. Especially when the advice about to be given is "try walking a little faster, and see if that also speeds up his responses to your cues".

One thing that you can do is try being a bit more aware of where your head and shoulders are facing, since a lot of heeling is reading body cues you are giving off. For example, looking to the left and pulling your left shoulder back slightly is part of the "left turn" cue, not just stepping off with the left foot.

Also, you keep the leash pretty tight, still. What happens if you try working off lead?
 

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I love his yawn at the beginning! It's like, ho hum....have to take the human on a walk. LOL
That yawn in dogs is a sign of stress.

I'd talk to him more if I was doing this Ken. You can talk to your dogs in Rally Novice and it helps them to relax. And to keep them where you want them as well as making sure they got the hand signal you get to give them the verbal command.

But I think he's doing better. He clearly indicates he knows what you want.

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LDI - You sure are right about the left foot lead - 6-7 brought that out the last video - But I'm a SLOW learner ! I did work on it - yet failed when it was how time - I will work on that more !

Left square is a problem for me = my right knee problem - but it is getting a little better and hope to improve that too ! :grin2:
You can do it to the right as well--just remember for you to lead off with the left leg and if you are asking for a stay--you lead off with the right.

One of my obedience instructors when teaching beginning classes used to tell the owner/handler to talk to themselves until things like ALWAYS starting on the left leg for movement and ALWAYS starting on the right leg for stays so ingrained they didn't have to think about it. By the time they could stop reminding themselves out loud they dog usually had the nonverbal training cues down pat.

Also when your knee is working better start speeding up heeling--Mr B is a big dog and it helps to keep their attention to move a bit faster.

But I think you guys are doing well--he's working on a loose leash and you are remembering to keep it loose.

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Thank you ALL SO , SO much ! This is the input a farm boy needs !!

1. I am slow ! And now that I think about it - the other day when we were practicing - Kadin was a rock star ! He was walking and looking up at me - he was on it ! I was so proud of him - but what changed yesterday ? You all nailed it - I was walking faster ! Hw did I forget doing that yesterday ? Maybe I'm the one that needed the nap before we did it :grin2:

2. Talk to my self ! Great idea Aunt Bug !

3. Thanks MC :wink2: Most times He gets High Praise ! I was so on that yesterday ! He looks it and it turns him on !

4. What does he do off lead ? I will make sure that one is tapped Rosemary - My guess everybody will be on the floor laughing - I will warn everybody before its posted so you can tighten up your seat belts so you won't fall out of your chairs :grin2::grin2:

5. Thanks again for the pointers !

6. I forgot one here - Bug - that has been what I have been working on the most - the loose lead - For me to remember !
 

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Rats--DT just ate a second post from me. Let me see if I can at least recap it.

I had an instructor who taught a lot of novice Obedience classes (Rally didn't exist at the time) and she told all of the owner/handlers in the Novice classes to talk out loud to remind themselves about things like leading off with the left foot when starting to move and lead off with the right food when doing stays. By the time the owner was doing both things automatically the dog usually was much more intuned to the secondary cue of the left or right leg..

You can do right hand squares too--the left ones improve the dogs position though--making sure they aren't forging and getting ahead of you when heeling. The right hand ones improve lagging--encouraging the dog to speed up on right turns to stay right at your left side.

<VBG> I had to laugh at your experience with using treats as motivation. There is a knack to it and it takes time to learn. Most of my dogs needed something more than verbal praise--even though I don't treat all the time (I think that doesn't work well in the long run) for exceptional performances my dogs do get a jackpot so they know when they really did exceptionally well.

I sympathize with the bunged up knee. Geeze Ken you are starting to look like me gimping along...but we think you are doing well anyway--can't tell you how much I envy you that training room.

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Hi Doc,

Looks like Mr B is doing well!

Did have a question - couldn't tell but do you give verbal commands or is this all on queues?

At the end made me smile when he tried to grab the leash as if to say hey wait we aren't done are we :grin2: But I am a bit tired since I was yawning :2smile:
I finally got a chance to watch it. And yeah, it's hard to train when you are ouchie. Especially when the advice about to be given is "try walking a little faster, and see if that also speeds up his responses to your cues".

One thing that you can do is try being a bit more aware of where your head and shoulders are facing, since a lot of heeling is reading body cues you are giving off. For example, looking to the left and pulling your left shoulder back slightly is part of the "left turn" cue, not just stepping off with the left foot.

Also, you keep the leash pretty tight, still. What happens if you try working off lead?

I posted my post then headed off to Lowes to pick up some items I needed to work on trim around the shower. As I was driving for some reason my mind said cue not queue, silly......and I was not really thinking about DT forum :nerd:

And here I see the right term I was really needing - but perhaps Mr. B already has the cues queued up in his head and ready to execute them. :grin2:

Weird what the mind does....will say it was early and I was not quite awake yet!
 

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I posted my post then headed off to Lowes to pick up some items I needed to work on trim around the shower. As I was driving for some reason my mind said cue not queue, silly......and I was not really thinking about DT forum :nerd:

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I did find it impressive however. Most people pull up the more common and easiest spelling of a pair of homophones. "Queue" is definitely a more unusual way to spell that sound than "cue" is. LOL
 

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Thought I would give a little update . I implemented the things you all suggested .

Before practice - I reread all the advise given , didn't want to forget anything

Left foot lead off - still work for me to do there , I missed a couple - but I did notice that he was watching my lead off leg - so a few more work outs and this will really help

Walking faster - this really , really helped - he was looking up at me more - watching , I will say this helped 100 % !

When doing a left turn into say a 270 - right when I got to the point of turn I would talk to him - left - left , left - boy he picked that right up !

More praise - he was more perky , to me anyway .

cuing with shoulders and head - this will work well - as he is watching me better from walking quicker .

Thanks everybody for the pointers !

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Little update here on Mr. B and Me rally training , I sort of backed off when everything went to heck around the world, but the last few weeks -I told Kadin - it will get better someday and we better be ready , It is always fun working with him , so today I heard the neighbors dog barking -Probably the one that lives next to Meadowcat , but thought , this would be great training , more like we would see and hear out on the road .

I got him all hooked up and opened up the back door and almost lost my left arm ! Dang he was ready to go ( warning sign ) The wind is out of the west . I finally got him to sit , then is was down hill all the way ! No kidding ! he wanted to swing around to see if he could see the barking dog I guess , in heal , he wanted to walk way out in front , on sits - he always wanted to face into the wind . After about 15 minutes he settled down and acted like he knew what he was suppose to do LOL Outside , real life is a ton different than in our inside train facility's here !

Boy ,do we have work to do !
 

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A few pictures of our new Rally course I set up in the basement - the basement is to small for the full course - but I have the complete 12 sign set up in these pictures to get a idea of what I need - So , It's either hunt for a new house with a bigger basement or put up a new building - with of course heated floors and radiant heat in it !

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That's the problem I would have—I'd signal the dog to do the wrong thing, and then when I subliminally did what the sign said, he'd do what I actually told him to do and I'd trip over him and my own feet.

Actually, I'd probably trip over my own feet even if we were exactly in sync. I'm not known for agility. (I was going to say I'm lacking in proprioception, but then I remembered who I was talking to—I figured I didn't need a chewing out for being overly prolix. :devilish: )
 

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LOL, Mel... I'm terrible at Rally. For whatever reason, I cannot read the sign, process it and try to do it with my dog. I simply find it WAY too hard! I have great admiration for people who are great at Rally - it's not easy!

While I'm not a huge fan of obedience - I don't find it particularly fun - I definitely prefer traditional obedience. I like that it's the exact same exercises in the exact same order every time. So much easier for me!
 
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