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My puppy is 8 months old now and recently has started to mark everything! He has not done it in my house or yard which I'm surprised because he alway has male friends over for his play dates. He does his marking at the park on dogs and people. He has never done it on me but just random people. He gets in trouble when he does it but my question is will he stop marking people and dogs once he is fixed? It's very embarrising :/ thanks for your help

Oh and when do I get kicked out of puppy corner? When he turns one? Lol
 

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Most young boys who have just begun to mark will make a few mindless errors. They tend to be mortified when they realize what they've done, and abjectly apologetic. These boys will self-correct, and are not a problem.

There is a small sub-set of boys who are just plain inappropriate. If your boy is preferentially marking humans and dogs, I would have a drag line on him and this behavior would result in an immediate Come To Jesus Meeting. I don't know what "he gets in trouble" means to you... it should mean that you put the fear of God in him in a loud, angry, outraged voice... seriously go overboard! He should be left with no doubt that his life is yours, and you will not tolerate this behavior.
 

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Just curious; anyone have experience on how well "Leave It" type training works with urination?
 

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most young boys who have just begun to mark will make a few mindless errors. They tend to be mortified when they realize what they've done, and abjectly apologetic. These boys will self-correct, and are not a problem.

There is a small sub-set of boys who are just plain inappropriate. If your boy is preferentially marking humans and dogs, i would have a drag line on him and this behavior would result in an immediate come to jesus meeting. I don't know what "he gets in trouble" means to you... It should mean that you put the fear of god in him in a loud, angry, outraged voice... Seriously go overboard! He should be left with no doubt that his life is yours, and you will not tolerate this behavior.
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Yes I did see this post but I made my own because my pup is twice the age and wanted to know if this could be the more mature side of my dog I am seeing. Phoenix is also closer to the time of getting fixed and I wanted to know if it will help. The other puppy that was 18 weeks(depending on owner but by popular vote on here) is still to young to get fixed. Thanks for link!
 

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Most young boys who have just begun to mark will make a few mindless errors. They tend to be mortified when they realize what they've done, and abjectly apologetic. These boys will self-correct, and are not a problem.

There is a small sub-set of boys who are just plain inappropriate. If your boy is preferentially marking humans and dogs, I would have a drag line on him and this behavior would result in an immediate Come To Jesus Meeting. I don't know what "he gets in trouble" means to you... it should mean that you put the fear of God in him in a loud, angry, outraged voice... seriously go overboard! He should be left with no doubt that his life is yours, and you will not tolerate this behavior.
Thanks for your feedback! I have treated this situation like he is getting potty trained all over again. People look at me from all over park when he gets in trouble so I guess I'm making a big deal lol
 

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Yes I did see this post but I made my own because my pup is twice the age and wanted to know if this could be the more mature side of my dog I am seeing. Phoenix is also closer to the time of getting fixed and I wanted to know if it will help. The other puppy that was 18 weeks(depending on owner but by popular vote on here) is still to young to get fixed. Thanks for link!
Leg lifting/marking isn't something that neutering is likely to change--the behavior is not entirely driven by sexual behaviors. Kind of like mounting behaviors--some are part of a dogs sexual behavior but just as many (if not more) has to do with pack rank behavior.

If he is doing a lot of marking at the park and it includes other dogs you may be at the end of the line for safely taking him to dog parks.

I'm no fan of them and Dobes are sort of bad candidates for dog parks--too many idiots with other dogs who don't pay enough attention to their dogs and can't read them and adult Dobes are justifiably known to be same sex aggressive. Peeing on other dogs is a semi-aggressive behavior.

Peeing on anything except inanimate objects (and this doesn't include brain dead people) gets a full blown "come to Jesus meeting" with me and the dog.

For me this works and even my intact males (who are more likely to be offenders in the area of leg lifting) don't lift their legs in my house, other peoples houses or inside dog show building or around rings outside--I train to a command that goes "We're INSIDE, don't think about it!"
 

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Peeing on other dogs is a semi-aggressive behavior.

I train to a command that goes "We're INSIDE, don't think about it!"
Often or usually peeing on other dogs is a semi-aggressive behavior... sometimes, particularly with young boys, it may be poor impulse control and the urge to overmark where the other dog is peeing or just peed. Peeing on humans, though, I regard as an expression of contempt.

My don't-even command was "Hey! That's a PEOPLE thing!" and it applied even to outdoor inanimate objects that were off-limits to marking (cars, picnic tables, planters, etc.).
 

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dobebug, can you tell us all what a "come to jesus meeting" exactly is? I'm scared! :)
Jones used to mark men... just men... you know what his "come to Jesus meeting" was.... You pee on one more person, you lose them

You know what happend?
SNIP SNIP...

Haven't had an issue since.
 

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dobebug, can you tell us all what a "come to jesus meeting" exactly is? I'm scared! :)
Sure...(wondering what on earth scared you--you weren't a dog peeing on people or other dogs...).

If a dog in training (you can read that as "puppy") has shown any indication that they are about to embark on behaviors that I regard as inappropriate (like lifting their leg on people, other dogs, inside places that they should not be using as toilets) they go back on leash (if they were off leash in the first place)--I keep puppies tethered to me at all times for about the first six months so that I can stop them from doing things I don't want them to do as adult dogs (getting on furniture, cruising the counters, chasing the cats, peeing in and on inappropriate objects, etc) before they really get started. IF (and I don't) I was taking puppies to dog parks that would mean a long line for the dog (50' light weight line for the dog and gloves for me) so that if the dog approached a person or dog with the idea of marking (and you can tell if a dog is going to do this--there are unmistakable signs--sniffing, turning the body to get into position) the dog would (BEFORE HE LIFTED HIS LEG) get a quick leash correction and a loud aggressive sounding NO!!!!! from me and also get reeled in with the long line.

If I had made the mistake of taking my eyes off the dog long enough to miss the signs of impending leg lifting and he actually was peeing on some forbidden object (dog or person or anything else I didn't want him peeing on) he'd have earned himself an even sharper leash correction, a much louder, much more aggressive sounding NO!!!!! and the sight of me charging down on him while taking up the slack on the long line. Then I generally would switch him to a training leash and collar and we'd do a little obedience and leave the area.

The whole point is to make sure the dog gets the message that whatever it is you are yelling about is absolutely and completely forbidden behavior.

I think people often get too worried about upsetting, or frightening their dogs to get the message across on stuff like this. If my dog is peeing on people, dogs or anything else that I think is inappropriate I want to scare them--they'll get over it but the whole idea is really to get the message across in an unmistakable fashion for the dog.

By the way--I use much the same sort of dissuasive training with puppies who nip, bite, nibble or in anyway put their mouths on me. It works very well and I don't have on-going problems with that sort of behavior. I REALLY HATE being mouthed by dogs--so very early on they find this out. That way we don't drag the mouthing issue out for months with the excuse that they are teething (or whatever other excuses get used) puppies can and do learn quickly to not do the things you are clear about.
 

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I'm sorry stopped responding I did not realize how many more people posted! Thanks for everyone input. Phoenix did get fixed and has been with same friends dogs that he was marking and same people and we have not had any problems(knock on wood) I am not saying getting him fixed cured him or it was him getting his head handed to him when he did it but it hopefully has stopped for good.

Thanks everyone :)
 
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