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One day at a time oh yeah, and don’t look to far ahead.
‘That will drive you bonkers, tryin to anticipate the next correct decision.
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‘Look for the good in everything, It’s always there for you If you look for it.
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A little update. Not too much exciting going on (I guess that's a good thing). Kato has had two chemo treatments of CHOP, his third one will be this Friday along with an EKG to make sure his heart is strong enough for the Doxorubicin (red death) next week. SUPER nervous about that one but I was told it is one of the most effective against cancer. After his chemo this Friday we are heading camping with my entire family to a lake to spread my grandparents ashes. Hopefully he doesn't get too stressed. He is shy with anyone other than my husband and I but I don't want to leave him with anyone while we are gone. I have a portable outdoor kennel for him and also a soft crate for in the camper. I'm hoping we can have a lot of fun quiet walks while we are there. So far his only symptoms of the chemo have been some loose stool and a little less energetic some days, he's also drink multiple gallons of water a day and have SO MANY accidents in the house even with letting him out non stop and having friends let him out while we are at work. I'm sure 90% of these symptoms are the high dose of Prednisone. Can't wait to stop that!!! I think this Friday we will be down to 20 mg of Prednisone.

Kato had a really good day a couple days ago. I was so excited because it was 90 degrees the days before and he was pretty dumpy from the heat so for it to be nice and cool and he was in a great mood I decided to take him outside and play. We have about an acre fenced in for our dogs and last weekend we cut down a tree and trimmed a bunch of large branches. They are still piled in the fenced part of the yard as we work on cleaning them up. While we were outside playing I noticed he ran to the pile and was super frantic trying to get in there. I went over to investigate and before I got the chance to figure out what was happening he army crawled into the middle and I heard a scream. Of course I start yelling and my husband runs over and yells "he has a raccoon"!! I'm yelling for Kato and for my husband and Kato is backing up out of the pile with his prize in tow. I don't know what to do because I am not grabbing a half dead raccoon out of my dogs mouth and risk getting bit. My husband promptly picks Kato straight up from the ground yells at him to drop it (he does) and carried him inside. First thought is OMG my dog that has cancer and is on chemo got bit or scratched by this raccoon and he will have to go to the vet ASAP. We got Kato inside and he looks perfectly ok, not a scratch on him and he is SO proud of himself. Luckily he is up to date on rabies. Go back out to check on the raccoon and unfortunately it had passed. It was a juvenile and probably didn't stand a chance to even try to fight. Kato had one of the best days that he's had in the last couple of months, but, RIP raccoon.
 

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Also wanted to add that I believe the diet is going very well!! His weight was at 81.8 lbs on 5/7 (about 5 lbs down from his baseline) and on 5/21 it was 85.8 lbs about 1 lb away from normal! Yay!
 

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Hi H_S

It is so nice to hear that Kato is handling his chemo well.

I just wanted so say that you are probably spot on with your suspicion that the Prednisone is the cause of Kato's excessive drinking and urination. Our recently deceased senior was on Pred, or a derivative, for 10+ years. After a short while his body adapted to the med and that particular side effect disappeared. Also, lowering the dosage should help quite a bit.

Best to you and Kato,

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Hi, how is Kato doing with the chemo treatment? I just found out my boy has lymphoma last Thursday and we have the first visit with an oncologist tomorrow. I have read mixed reviews on whether people feel chemo is worth the discomfort to the dog.

I hope your boy is feeling much better.
 

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Hi, how is Kato doing with the chemo treatment? I just found out my boy has lymphoma last Thursday and we have the first visit with an oncologist tomorrow. I have read mixed reviews on whether people feel chemo is worth the discomfort to the dog.

I hope your boy is feeling much better.
Hi! I am so sorry you are starting your journey with lymphoma. Don't lose hope just yet! As soon as I was told the diagnosis I took it as a death sentence but now I am hopeful we can get a lot more quality time with Kato. I am two months into finding his enlarged lymph nodes and week four of the CHOP protocol as of tomorrow. I will be 100% honest with you, the worst side effects we've had are from the high dose of Prednisone (40 mg) the first 2-3 weeks of chemo. Increased drinking/urination (multiple accidents a day), panting, bloated, a little more tired and "grumpy" (not his usual cuddle bug would rather lay on the rug away from you than on the couch). Other than that the only side effect from the chemo has been occasional loose stool. During the CHOP protocol they are only on Prednisone for a month (thank god). Kato has been down to 20 mg Prednisone for 5 days now and is completely back to his normal self! He will drop down to 10 mg tomorrow and then be off for the rest of chemo. The chemo doesn't phase him. That being said I have thought about if I had chosen to do Prednisone only until the end of his life (2-3 mos prognosis) vs. chemo and I personally don't think it would be worth it to do the Prednisone only because he just wasn't himself. Every dog is different though. The Oncologist at MSU even told me the Prednisone will be the worst part of treatment and so far it has. We are going in tomorrow for our first round of Doxorubicin (the red death) which is the strongest and most effective chemo they give. He is having an EKG done before and during chemo. SUPER anxious about that but I will keep you posted.
 

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Hi! I am so sorry you are starting your journey with lymphoma. Don't lose hope just yet! As soon as I was told the diagnosis I took it as a death sentence but now I am hopeful we can get a lot more quality time with Kato. I am two months into finding his enlarged lymph nodes and week four of the CHOP protocol as of tomorrow. I will be 100% honest with you, the worst side effects we've had are from the high dose of Prednisone (40 mg) the first 2-3 weeks of chemo. Increased drinking/urination (multiple accidents a day), panting, bloated, a little more tired and "grumpy" (not his usual cuddle bug would rather lay on the rug away from you than on the couch). Other than that the only side effect from the chemo has been occasional loose stool. During the CHOP protocol they are only on Prednisone for a month (thank god). Kato has been down to 20 mg Prednisone for 5 days now and is completely back to his normal self! He will drop down to 10 mg tomorrow and then be off for the rest of chemo. The chemo doesn't phase him. That being said I have thought about if I had chosen to do Prednisone only until the end of his life (2-3 mos prognosis) vs. chemo and I personally don't think it would be worth it to do the Prednisone only because he just wasn't himself. Every dog is different though. The Oncologist at MSU even told me the Prednisone will be the worst part of treatment and so far it has. We are going in tomorrow for our first round of Doxorubicin (the red death) which is the strongest and most effective chemo they give. He is having an EKG done before and during chemo. SUPER anxious about that but I will keep you posted.
So glad he is doing well! I appreciate you sharing your journey and insight. I decided to try CHOP with Kaiser and see how he handles it. He also is having similar side effects from the Prednisone which makes me question it.
 

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So glad he is doing well! I appreciate you sharing your journey and insight. I decided to try CHOP with Kaiser and see how he handles it. He also is having similar side effects from the Prednisone which makes me question it.
Please tell me more about Mr. Kaiser and his diagnosis, I would love to talk to someone going through the same thing. I keep telling myself the Prednisone is beneficial or else the vet wouldn't be doing it. Kato was dropped off to the vet today for the Doxyrubicin, fingers crossed he does ok.
 

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Hi, how is Kato doing with the chemo treatment? I just found out my boy has lymphoma last Thursday and we have the first visit with an oncologist tomorrow. I have read mixed reviews on whether people feel chemo is worth the discomfort to the dog.

I hope your boy is feeling much better.
My Australian Shepherd had lymphoma--and I opted to not treat beyond giving prednisone because he was 13 when he came to breakfast one morning and said "no thanks"--this was a dog who never, ever turned down food. I work at a vet clinic and he came with me that day--we did a senior blood panel and nothing was really out of line but his vet told me that he was pretty sure that it was very early lymphoma. I knew the options (everyone in the clinic knew about lymphoma because our bookkeeper had Bullmastiffs--lymphoma is rather common for them) and we'd all been through the process with her and two of her dogs. And of course we'd seen a fair amount of lymphoma with other of our regular client's dogs.)

Chemo is most effective on younger dogs. Often it will effectively push the dog into a remission which sometimes lasts for years. Frankly my experience has been that the older the dog the less likely it is that you'll succeed in getting remission and if you do the period of time it lasts is often short. My Aussie was 13--average life span for Aussies is 12 to 15 years. Basically it was his age the made me decide to not do chemo with him. I opted to do predisone to make the remainder of his life comfortable.

If you opt for pred it is not in the kind of high dosage used prior to chemo--and my Aussie had a wonderful last month--he got to eat what he wanted as much as he wanted--for an easy keeper who had basically been on a strict diet most of his life (Aussies mostly end up fat as adults--they are very easy keepers and as non-farm dogs don't get anything like enough exercise to burn off the amount of food they get) this was a taste of heaven. He played with the then Doberman puppy and generally felt good and had none of the problems with pred that large doses cause (thirst, frequent urination and/or leaking). There was no doubt for me when he was ready to leave--the pred stopped working and overnight he was a very sick dog. We went back to the clinic and let him go...

If he had been three instead of 13 I'd have done chemo. But he wasn't.

We still miss him around here...

dobebug
 

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My Australian Shepherd had lymphoma--and I opted to not treat beyond giving prednisone because he was 13 when he came to breakfast one morning and said "no thanks"--this was a dog who never, ever turned down food. I work at a vet clinic and he came with me that day--we did a senior blood panel and nothing was really out of line but his vet told me that he was pretty sure that it was very early lymphoma. I knew the options (everyone in the clinic knew about lymphoma because our bookkeeper had Bullmastiffs--lymphoma is rather common for them) and we'd all been through the process with her and two of her dogs. And of course we'd seen a fair amount of lymphoma with other of our regular client's dogs.)

Chemo is most effective on younger dogs. Often it will effectively push the dog into a remission which sometimes lasts for years. Frankly my experience has been that the older the dog the less likely it is that you'll succeed in getting remission and if you do the period of time it lasts is often short. My Aussie was 13--average life span for Aussies is 12 to 15 years. Basically it was his age the made me decide to not do chemo with him. I opted to do predisone to make the remainder of his life comfortable.

If you opt for pred it is not in the kind of high dosage used prior to chemo--and my Aussie had a wonderful last month--he got to eat what he wanted as much as he wanted--for an easy keeper who had basically been on a strict diet most of his life (Aussies mostly end up fat as adults--they are very easy keepers and as non-farm dogs don't get anything like enough exercise to burn off the amount of food they get) this was a taste of heaven. He played with the then Doberman puppy and generally felt good and had none of the problems with pred that large doses cause (thirst, frequent urination and/or leaking). There was no doubt for me when he was ready to leave--the pred stopped working and overnight he was a very sick dog. We went back to the clinic and let him go...

If he had been three instead of 13 I'd have done chemo. But he wasn't.

We still miss him around here...

dobebug
Wow, I am so incredibly sorry you had to go through that and for your loss. I am glad to know they don't give the high doses of Prednisone for the cases that don't do chemo, that crap is terrible!!! No time is ever enough with our fur babies. Don't you wish they could just always pass away peacefully in their sleep of old age? SIGH Life is so hard sometimes... I was just thinking the other day about my first Doberman, Axle, that I lost at 5 yrs to cancer... Seems unreal I'm dealing with cancer again, Axle didn't have a chance to fight it though, we lost him before we even knew it was cancer. We did a liver biopsy and bladder stone removal and lost him the next day, he just never recovered from the surgery. They called a week later and said the biopsy showed cancer. If I could have given him the fighting chance I'm giving Kato I would have in a heart beat. I miss that dog an awful lot...

Kato came home from the vet today from his first Doxorubicin, EKG was good and his labs were good. Unfortunately I'm still at work but my husband is home with him and said Kato is pretty nauseous. I told him to give him some meds and go from there. I only have Cerenia but will call the vet tomorrow and also ask for some Zofran. This is surprisingly the first after chemo side effect he's had so far besides some mild tiredness.
 

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Please tell me more about Mr. Kaiser and his diagnosis, I would love to talk to someone going through the same thing. I keep telling myself the Prednisone is beneficial or else the vet wouldn't be doing it. Kato was dropped off to the vet today for the Doxyrubicin, fingers crossed he does ok.
Kaiser is 6-7 years old, I rescued him when he was 3 ish. He has Vwd but other than that has been extremely healthy. I first noticed a swollen lymph node almost two months ago, the vets did a cytology and told me it was NOT cancer. Then, more and more kept swelling and I saw another specialist who did not know, until I landed at CARE (I live in Charlotte). The Dr there right away suspected lymphoma and bloodwork confirmed the next day. He had his first round on Wed and handled it well, I didn't notice any change in behavior from it. He is having regular accidents from the Pred and the vet stated I could go down to 1.5 earlier than protocol to try and help it. I will continue with this first cycle, but I have red the Doxorubicin is the worst one so we will see how that round goes. He still is not acting his happy, silly self that he was prior to me noticing the swollen lymphnodes. I am not sure I will continue if he still doesn't seem to want to run around.
 

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Kaiser is 6-7 years old, I rescued him when he was 3 ish. He has Vwd but other than that has been extremely healthy. I first noticed a swollen lymph node almost two months ago, the vets did a cytology and told me it was NOT cancer. Then, more and more kept swelling and I saw another specialist who did not know, until I landed at CARE (I live in Charlotte). The Dr there right away suspected lymphoma and bloodwork confirmed the next day. He had his first round on Wed and handled it well, I didn't notice any change in behavior from it. He is having regular accidents from the Pred and the vet stated I could go down to 1.5 earlier than protocol to try and help it. I will continue with this first cycle, but I have red the Doxorubicin is the worst one so we will see how that round goes. He still is not acting his happy, silly self that he was prior to me noticing the swollen lymphnodes. I am not sure I will continue if he still doesn't seem to want to run around.
Wow, I am so surprised it went undetected for so long! I'm hoping that means you caught it early if it was so hard to get a diagnosis? From the time I noticed Kato's swollen lymph nodes to official diagnosis it was 3 weeks! Luckily he wasn't symptomatic at the time. As far as Kasier not being "himself" right now I will say that Kato is coming off the Prednisone and he is getting back to his normal self so I wouldn't stop chemo just yet because it's probably just the Prednisone causing it. I will say we have more good days where he is completely himself and some where he's just a little more laid back and wants to chill. He got pretty sick from the Doxorubicin last night though, drooling, restless, and dumpy. It's the "sickest" I've seen him since he was diagnosed. He seemed more active and normal this morning but would only eat half of his breakfast. I called the vet and he said not to worry as long as he's not vomiting and keep giving him Cerenia for nausea. I did read somewhere they said sometimes they feel sick from the cancer cells dying at the beginning of treatment but who knows if that's reliable information? I SO wish we could explain to our dogs why we are making them feel sick...
 

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I am undergoing chemotherapy myself.
Hydration is very important as Hydration helps our filtration systems.
These medications are tough on the digestive tract ....stomach linings etc. Thus all the nausea and low energy.
‘So right after chemo I am exhausted for a few days..best to just sleep through the crap for a day or two.
‘Nothing makes the impact of the chemo meds go away other than sleep IMO.
Then after a few days the meds work through my system and I start feeling normal again.
 

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I am undergoing chemotherapy myself.
Hydration is very important as Hydration helps our filtration systems.
These medications are tough on the digestive tract ....stomach linings etc. Thus all the nausea and low energy.
‘So right after chemo I am exhausted for a few days..best to just sleep through the crap for a day or two.
‘Nothing makes the impact of the chemo meds go away other than sleep IMO.
Then after a few days the meds work through my system and I start feeling normal again.
Thank you for your insight and I am so sorry you are personally battling cancer and going through chemo. Please know I'll be thinking of you ❤

Kato had a bad 3 days after adriamycin (doxorubicin), he was very nauseous and lost his appetite for the first 3 days but would eat/pick at most of his food. We gave him a tablespoon of Nutri-Stat on the day he only ate a little. It seemed to help him with his energy and appetite. He had a GREAT day yesterday (completely bouncing off the walls) although he did have some diarrhea (luckily we have meds for that) it's been 5 days post adriamycin. I started him on prebiotics and probiotics a couple of days ago so we will see if that helps him. To protect his heart he is on Taurine 1000mg twice a day and CoQ10. I felt his lymph nodes a couple of days ago and I HAD A HARD TIME FINDING THEM!!!! To say I'm excited is an understatement. To be continued...
 
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