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If you read all this I really appreciate your time.

I have a 5 month old female doberman puppy who is not learning. Its almost as if she refuses. We have had 7 Dobermans and have never encountered one like Lucy. (all this has been happening since she was 9 weeks old)

She bites our 12 year old dog constantly.
She pees and poops in the house and her crate on her pillows (I dont know if a dog can do this but she will look us dead in the eye and pee even after bringing her in from a 2 hour walk likes shes saying F You.)
She takes whatever she pleases off the counters.
She's just a puppy (My opinion)

Things I have tried:
Spray Bottle
Treat rewards when she does something good
Crate Training
We walk her 2 hours a day (She wont potty outside)
Took her to the dog park to find a dog that would knock her down to size. NO GO. (She wont potty at the park)
Muzzle
Shock Collar (didnt phase her, I didnt want to go that route)
Pinch Collar
Choke Collar
Fly swatter
Puppy Trainer

Our older Female 12 year old dog is submissive we have let the play/fighting escalate hoping she would let lucy know she is not in charge but all she does is let out alittle growl. She doesnt let my older dog have a minute of peace. So we always have her in a crate or separate room. She doesnt tear up furniture, shoes and moldings.

We had a serious incident where my mom grabbed lucy and hit her with her fist in frustration. My mom cried and was upset her angry got the best of her but she was on top of our older dog biting her face and jerking it. (No blood is ever drawn in any fight.) We don't agree with physical punishment its the first time we have ever laid a hand on a dog. I need urgent help I love lucy and shes my little world. I have done everything possible stressed all my resources I took her 8 hour round trips bi-weekly to make sure she even has the best vet possible. I will do anything to get her help and myself trained to handle the situation.

Please don't judge the incident above.

I need help, not judgement.

Key things Ive noticed She bites our older dog whether there are people home or not. So I don't think shes trying to win attention or protect any certain person. I have a link to a video of her standing on my dogs back and head biting its not a escalated incident (It is 70% worse than the video)

Thank you!

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I am just shaking my head...reading the "Things I have tried" list and you have had 7 previous dobes.
- and this little monster is out of control...and still a puppy

All the gimmicks aren't working because IMO:
- lack of supervision
- bored pup
- shipped off to the crate too much
- lack of mental stimulation
- no human leadership, in house
- no ground rules / no respect
You should get a private trainer ASAP (for quick help)...and enroll in group OB classes.
- not the puppy version
 

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"fly swatter?!"

Okay, well, it sounds like you're having a rough time. What training and socialization has she had? Maybe she's just bored and needs some constructive direction like moderately challenging training. As far as the peeing/pooping in the house thing, Gus had some issues with this when he was around that age too. I took some members' advice on here and just kept a constant eye on him, even tethered him to myself. When it looked like he was entertaining the idea of going to the bathroom I would hustle him outside and shower him with treats when he went. He caught on really quick, but the key was not to ever let him out of my site until I was sure he wouldn't go in the house. Gus is my first dobe, more member with more experience will for sure chip in. But I can say with certainty that her behavior won't make a complete turn-around in a week. She seems like she needs more time and patience than your previous dobes...
 

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I am kinda on the same page as dobermansrule... sometimes, it just isn't a good fit... nothing wrong with the pup and nothing wrong with the owner, just not a good "marriage."

I watched the video three times. All I can see is a normal puppy, playing... being a pest, maybe, but all pups are pests. Your elder dog didn't look victimized or distressed at all... just dogs wrestling and play biting.

Lucy has a nice show crop... I assume she came from a decent breeder. If so, I would ask that person for help.
 

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I don't really know where to start. The picture on the couch is very telling, actually.

Do you have any REAL trainers around you? I don't mean PetStupid-type trainers, either. I mean a real working dog trainer with a common sense, practical approach. If not, I can see if I can find a few names for you. I wish my mentor was still doing this stuff; he could whip you into shape in no time (yes, I said you...:D). I think she just may not be a great fit for you, though, as she's already decided the way things are going to be in your home. Without a total 180 on your part, you may never have the kind of success someone else might have with her.

What kind of lines is she? Where did you get her?

As I said, there is a lot I could say, but I'm afraid you may be past that point and may not have the experience to turn this particular situation around fast enough for either you or Lucy to be happy.

I'm not sure what the video was supposed to show? I just saw a bored puppy, trying to entertain herself by irritating the older dog. All good pups do that;). Just ask my old mutt.

I wish I was closer. I would help you. Heck, if you really want her gone, I'd take her. I think she just may be "more dog" than you bargained for and you've gotten off on the wrong foot together.
 

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I would run her donkey off first of all, like winded w/a flirt pole for a couple minutes.

Our boy will do this to our older girl if we aren't watching & he's in play mode, at first it was like they were bowling in the house until I laid down the law of NO BOWLING IN THE HOUSE. Can't not bowl? Time out. A spray bottle helped bring home the message.

Now they sleep together altho I still monitor and if I hear rumbling upstairs check it out. Not saying this will work for you but how it went in our house.

She looks like she's just being a puppy to me, it's her job to be a stinky face devil but up to you to show her the light in a way that won't wreck her psyche for life.
Good luck.
 

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Oh how familiar a scene!

When i brought mabel home she was 9 months and I also had a senior lab....exact same scenario really. That lab will take it all with a lip curl and a passive attitude waiting for YOU to fix the issue because she really would rather just lay down in peace and quiet.

Mabel was a nut much like your pup, desperately wanting to play and being rude about it. Problem is we cant always play...when she did what your girl did in the video she got asked to come or to leave it, click treat praise if yes and repeat- if she didn't listen then it was a silent and sudden walk to the crate for a 5 minute time out, let her out and repeat.
No manners...no fun! Reward the right ignore the wrong
(i'd upload the video i have of her before we worked through it but I cant find it)

Consistency is key, she is a young puppy with a lot of energy she needs to play learn and be stimulated often, set up a strict schedule of going out to potty, you take her out on leash and she gets a few minutes, if she doesn't pee back in, rinse and repeat often until she goes outside and then have a huge huge party about it.

From the sounds of it she is a normal puppy and she is just overwhelming you, take a deep breathe, relax and form a game plan, set a potty and training schedule and keep her busy.

Good luck! I would deff look into some real training classes near you and have a frank discussion with her breeder about your options and what she suggests.
 

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It is obvious you do not need a puppy please find her a new home with some one that has more patience and will not use the methods that you are using after all she is a puppy you will get far better results with honey than your vinegar methods.Have you googled NILF dog training, have you used clicker training any positive methods of dog training.If you keep up the mean methods this poor pup will eventually be put down due to abusive training methods gee a shock collar on a pup.I watched your video why do you not have a long line on your pup teaching her not to bother your senior dog.
It can be done I raised a 16 week old Dachshund and then 4 months later I got a 16 week old male Doberman pup both are now 6 years old Dachshund 14# Doberman 90#now. I used a long line,crate time ,flirt pole, also used a electric scooter since I physically can not walk long distances.Also took my Dobe thought beginners obedient & got his CGC. It can be done if you put your mind to it and are consistence.
House breaking 101 :
If you take them out on about a 6 ft leash it helps keep them focused tell them go potty ,hurry up or what ever words you want to use just use the same words each time. Stand in one spot let them go all around you till they find the spot then Praise like it is the greatest thing you ever saw. If they do not go in about 20 minutes go back in and crate them or tie them to you them go back out in about 30 minutes.pups need to go out after naps,playing, eating & drinking 1st thing in the morning last thing at night depending on the age of the pup you may need to take them out at night too. Always use a pet urine enzyme to clean up all traces of urine or feces you can use a black light to find all traces. It takes about 3-6 months of contestant training to house break a pup the more accidents they have the longer it takes. Hang a bell on the door you go out you ring it until the pup gets the idea how to ring it yes sometimes they ring it to go look at a squirrel but its a phase they go though you just have to go though it with them. Do not forget to praise each time they go to reinforce the potty training. If you are consistent you will also have a pup/dog that will go potty on command comes in handy when it rains,snow, is icy, on a trip at night . People will think you are a amazing trainer too. Good Luck with your new baby.This works for all ages of puppies and dogs even old dogs can learn this depends on the person if they are willing to put in the time to do it and be consistence.
 

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She may be a handful but one thing is for sure, she is a beautiful dog.
And, she appears to be smart. I think she is adorable, even in the video.
I hope things work out. I have a feeling that with the right training Lucy could become a wonderful companion for you. A good trainer would be a good start.
 

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We have had 6 1/2 Doberman pinschers raised from puppies our 12 year old is a Doberman lab mix. Non of our dogs have ever had any problems they have all been really receptive to training that we had provided.

Wow I don't know where to begin thank you for your swift replies.

The video was supposed to show her pestering the other dog but it's non stop she can go on for hours. My dog was actually being pretty responsive because of her treat but she normally just lays there.

ME I know my puppy is a puppy and she is playing, I understand all her actions I need to find a way to correct her actions because others in the household are fed up. I have taken a 2 MONTH leave from work so I can be at home at all times with Lucy I take her outside every 15-30 mins and she will not pee.I bring her in the house she pees on the tile. I can have her outside for 45-60 mins and not a dribble. I use the crate for night time and had used it as advised from one trainer which was feed,crate,potty,crate,play,crate etc. No dice. She started to pee in her crate like she knew I would have to let her out to wash her blankets.

The recent physical encounter came from my mother not from me so please don't think I'm the evil person. I love this dog with all my heart and would never lay a hand on her. And do not want to ge rid of her I know that "I" need training to handle her i accept that responsibility

I have seen 3 trainers and they all have told me to use different things thus the huge list of things I've tried.

I bought her from a breeder and had taken her to a professional ear cropper who said "she" decided to do a show crop instead of a medium crop because Lucy had the perfect personality to carry a show crop. We requested a medium because we heard its hard to get them to stand but we trusted our vet we take her 8 hour round trip just for her war taping.

I'm trying I really am

To the recent response to patches mom today was the first day someone has ever laid a hand on her and it wasn't my hand. The correction was made by me to my family to never touch my dog again. That s*** does not fly in my house. With that being said I agree with the shock collar but it was a light shock for a small dog under 30 lbs Lucy was 50-55 lbs when used it and she responded to it like it was a tickle we have Lucy on a leash in the house the video was a example of her behavior without interference. We have tried clicker training and I'm active and take Her on a 2 hour powerealk/jog in the morning and a hour long walk before bed time.

I need to keep trying different trainers is what it sounds like.
 

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What do you use to clean up her accidents? Dogs pee in the same area's over and over again if 100% of their smell isn't eliminated from the carpet, tile, etc.

I used something called kids and pets KIDS 'N' PETS Stain and Odor Removers and it did a really great job cleaning a mess. It seems like the thing that is frustrating you the most is eliminating in the house. Because if you have owned as many Dobermans as you have you know what it needs to exercise them mentally and physically.

Like others have said, maybe your 2 personally just don't mix.
 

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Who is Lucy's breeder and what does he/she have to say about all of this.

Personally, it just sounds like you didn't start out right with her. Different dogs take different techniques. Besides working with a good trainer, I would go all the way back to the beginning and start housebreaking all over again. Make certain all elimination odors are completely eradicated from your home, however, or you will never succeed.

Teach "leave it" and also enroll in an obedience class and start on training. You say she gets a 2 hour walk everyday, but does she get any time to run. They really need a couple of hours each day to run, off lead. An hour twice daily works for me.

Lastly, if you really are at the end of your rope and just can't deal with this dog anymore. Do consider returning her to the breeder where she can be placed in a home she is better suited to.

Good Luck!
 

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You may want to take her to the vet if she's having bathroom problems. When we first got Brandy, we thought she was being difficult when it came to going outside. It turned out we were the stupid humans who didn't realize she had an UTI and couldn't help it. Got her some meds and potty training was a breeze!
 

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Yes, good call. I have had a few young females with UTIs that seemed to have housebreaking problems.

As long as someone in that house has this attitude toward Lucy, you will make no progress. They are SO receptive to that kind of thing, that if you think something about a dog, it will become true, whether it started out that way or not. What I mean is, if you think she's untrainable or bad, it will project in your actions and she will respond to that, and it won't be positively. I bought a dog I bred back from someone whose trainer said she was all sorts of bizarre things (dangerous, most aggressive dogs he's seen in 30 years, blah blah blah, a liability, etc. etc.) and when I picked her up, she was the same pup I sold at 6mos., to me. I kept her a while and sold her to a K9 handler and his family and guess what? She's like Lassie- she goes by herself to the bus stop to wait for the kids, escorts them home, walks in parades, goes to court, and yes...has bitten a couple people (deserved bites) in the "workplace." NOTHING wrong with the dog- the trainer had a terrible attitude due to some personal problems.

My point in the above story is that it really seems that as much as you don't want to give up, you don't have enough power over the situation to turn it around to the degree necessary and LUCY might be better off back with the breeder, or someone in a better situation to deal with her fairly and consistently. I am not blaming you for the actions of your mother, but Lucy deserves better and it may be the kindest, most unselfish thing you can do for her to rehome her, CAREFULLY.

I have taken in dogs like this several times, trained them, and rehomed them. It can be done. Seriously, if you are losing it and the breeder isn't going to take her back, I will take her. She is the kind of dog bad things happen to when they are misunderstood. I didn't really want a female, but she looks like a fantastic dog, honestly, and I know she will be just fine. I have a Pit Bull who would play that game for hours. OUTSIDE!!!:D As someone else said, "no bowling in the house." LOL
 

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Video looks like she is playing; the long fast walks are good but she probably needs more basic obedience/mental challenge which would both tire her out and also give you a better relationship with her.
Will she focus on you? Will she hold that focus? Will she come to you when called? etc

As much as you say you love her, if it really isn't a good fit it is best to rehome her so she has a chance to be the best that she can be. She is a beautiful pup.
 

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So many people who offering to take her.....and I'm adding myself to the list.
I have a 5 month old Male red boy....who LOVES to play like that. And if i didn't set the rules for him.....would bother Lily to the end of the earth.... She is my almost 12 year old female. And he is ROUGH with her. I don't allow it....but he has no filter at his young age.
Let me know if you really are thinking of rehoming.
Cheers.
 

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Have you ever shown her what TO DO rather than just no no no no no no no no no no no? Showing her what to do might make a huge difference. She has way too much freedom for a puppy, especially a rowdy puppy :) I'd have her on a long line and when she started her games with the other dog, I'd simple remove her with a bummer command. I'd be 100% consistent so if I couldn't watch her, she'd be crated with a kong or interactive toy.

If you must keep her, find a GOOD trainer. The method suggested to me suggest crappy inexperienced trainers. Find someone who can show YOU to show HER what is right and reward correct behavior.

It does sound to me like maybe she's too much for your family amd there is NOTHING wrong with that. She's young enough the breeder can probably find a good home for her relatively easy.
 
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