Looking to posibly Stud out my male

Oh boy, did you ask the wrong question. I'm not going to slam you, because you sound like you're sincerely seeking advice. But my advice would be this. Get your dog neutered, advise your friend to do the same with his bitch. UNLESS, both dogs have been tested for every condition that has been known as detrimental to this particular breed, like ALL responsible breeders should do. Also, both dogs should be proven in terms of aptitude and ability. Are either of these dogs titled in conformation and/or the working venues? Obedience? Shutzhund? Agility? Anything? Or are they simply wonderful family pets? There's nothing wrong with that. But it's not what's needed for the breeding pool. If these two dogs came from responsible breeders themselves, and they're as good as you think, chances are the breeder(s) will take care of perpetuating these particular lines, and you won't need to.

Please, please don't breed these dogs. Enjoy them for what they are, have fun with them, work with them, and by all means show them off to everyone you know. But please, please don't breed them.

cheechbalzano said:

Thanks for the replies everyone. As I sit here reading all the great advise I've already received (thanks for not slamming me.) It didn't take much for you guys and my wife to convense me to not breed him. As my wife was reading the replies already posted, she said to me "Frank what would you do if someone who purchased one of the pups called to tell you he/she has health issues." That was enough for me to say "No! Can't do it." I couldn't live with that. I wouldn't want that done to me. Thanks again guys.

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That would indeed be a heartbreaking phone call to receive. And then waiting for the other shoe to fall, on all the other puppies--yeah, no thanks.

I applaud the breeders who've done it right for decades, know the pedigrees inside and out, do all the $pendy health screenings yearly or even biannually, and stand responsible for every single dog they've caused to be born on this earth--it's just more than I'd ever be able to do, and I can't imagine having a conscience and doing any less.

So, kudos to you for looking at the whole picture.

cheechbalzano said:

Thanks "DoubleDogDare" for the advice. I'll definitely look into the performance venues for both my boys. My kids are taking Gingie to puppy obedience classes so I think I'll keep her only doing the classes for now. Does any one know of any performance venues around the Windsor, Ontario area?

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What kind of performance?

Do you want to do Obedience or Rally?

Are you interested in agility?

Any of the working disciplines?

I know in the States the AKC and UDC and similar organizations have web lists of various events--perhaps a fellow Canadian can point you to the equivalent in your country.

To the op

Until the Japanese figure out this whole gene splicing and manipulation thing, health problems are going to be around no matter what you do. In people, canines, felines, trees, plants, insects, everything...

Watch my already red reputation bar shoot far right as folks will probably bash me, again, in droves...

To this affect, I couldn't care less.

If you have a huge extended family/friends and had a place for all the puppies, why not?

Are you going to tell your kids to not have kids from fear of a potential health problem?

Rest assured my friend, it will happen. No matter how many tests you do, no matter how much money you spend, it will happen. Like death and taxes, a problem will arise, you can bank on that.

Instead of everyone else telling you how 'you' should think and feel, take in what they say and make a truly unbiased decision.

I'm not saying everyone else is wrong for wanting the testing, as we've been over this enough already. I'm saying for every one test you do, there are probably 10 more problems that can't be tested for that could arise.

Nature rules my friend, not a test. Sure it would be nice to be able to make all doggies safe, healthy and happy throughout their entire lives. Maybe one day in the future this will be a reality.

Speaking of reality...

It's a dog. It will be around for about a decade, give or take a few years. You'll probably get another dog once yours dies. That's reality.

That sounds terrible, and I know I will ball my eyeballs out once our oldest boy now comes around to passing on, but I'm not worried about then, I'm not worried at all. I am enjoying him every day that I can. My wife got him from a pet store for $80 bucks and other than a case of whipworms, he has been health problem free his current 7 years of life.

Spend a couple grand on testing and the dog could turn out to live a long healthy life, or die of DCM at 3, or get bitten by a poisonous snake and die from that, or eat something it shouldn't have and...you get the picture.

Everyone means well, there is no denying that. The problem isn't with a lack of testing on the reputable side of this equation. The problem is that the majority of people don't care about any of that. Their are countries that make cropping illegal. Once the U.S. grows a set of nuts and makes stricter laws on puppy mills and rotten breeders, then the best can thrive, in this breed and the next.

This whole cruel and unusual punishment crap...ruins near about every punishment we have today. Stiffen the penalties and the results will come on their own. If enough of the 'pro testing' click petitioned their local state representative, things would change, puppy milling would be outlawed, pet store selling would be outlawed and the penalties would be so severe, people wouldn't dare produce a dog unless they were a licensed, inspected and monitored breeder.

Of course the dog population would go extinct, probably lol, because the reputable breeders are sorely outnumbered...not to mention what goes on in nature that isn't caught or controlled.

Sorry friends and neighbors, just being realistic about it.