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Our family is looking for a specials quality doberman pup. We have finished 17 champions in our lives and currently have no other dogs. ( we are not breeders but a pet home that likes to show) Breeders from Canada and the US are more than welcome to reply. Color and sex do not matter as we have owned both male and female dogs in our lifetimes. We are a family of three, stable jobs and 6 acres for our new pup. We would like a co-ownership as we have purchased "show quality" pups before and have experienced that breeders who want to keep their name on the pup have more of an interest in campaigning. Love to hear from you :)
 

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What breeders have you contacted?
 

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None yet. Thought I would put a shout out here before filling out puppy apps. Specials quality pups ( as they are often older) are really hard to come by. I figured someone might know someone who knows someone with a pup and they can pass us on. Then we can speak to the breeder directly with references etc.
 

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If it were me as a breeder (and I've only bred a Vizsla litter), I'd be looking for a home that not just wanted a special but wanted one of MY dogs for a few other reasons also. Dobermans come in many "shapes and sizes", etc. I also don't know that I'd personally be comfortable telling someone at say 8 weeks THIS is your next special. It's tough enough to grade show quailty I think. I'm not as experienced as some of the great breeders though.

Just some food for thought. I'd look at lines, breeders, temperaments, see what catches your eye and then go from there with meeting breeders. Also if you have any other dogs at home and any are males, I'd go with female.
 

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I agree i think most breeders will hold back a pup to around 6 months to a year before letting them go to a show home. Often running on two or more babies to see how they develop. Alot of breeders love to have dogs in pet homes knowing the dog will get the best of both worlds.( sadly some people never show the pup) He or she is the only family pet and gets shown. It is a win win for both parties. The dog lives as family member not a kennel dog. The family pays for all showing ( and in our case we have a long history of finishing dogs) and the breeder gets the dog back for breeding. It works great. Dogs love to be the only one :)
 

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How long has it been since you showed a dog to Ch?... It just seems weird that, with a history of showing 17 dogs to Ch and willingness to enter a co-owner contract that releases the dog back to the breeder once finished... That you wouldn't have your own competitive show breeder contacts that would be tripping over themselves to place a pup with you... Is there a particular reason you're looking outside of your network for a new prospect?...

ETA: I don't mean to offend, it just... Seems odd...
 

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The breeders that we know are looking for us as well. Some of the breeders that we have owned dogs from in the past are no longer breeding but have moved on to judging etc. Man you guys are a suspicious bunch LOL good grief. Posting on a public forum is the fastest way to get the word out. And like I said any breeders that are interested in placing a pup with us will of course be permitted to vet us , check the dogs shown by us etc. Definitely NOT something I will do on a public forum. I have been PM'ed by some really nice breeders already, as well as some dobe fanciers with general info. The post is doing it's job as intended :)
 

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Well good luck finding a good breeder and show puppy this way.

It won't happen with me or other breeders I highly esteem.

This internet board finding is not the general way of finding a "special" level dog in any book I've experienced.
 

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Well good luck finding a good breeder and show puppy this way.

It won't happen with me or other breeders I highly esteem.

This internet board finding is not the general way of finding a "special" level dog in any book I've experienced.
That is a very snobby answer.

The OP came on here looking for recomendations of show breeders. I don't get the difference between this person and the countless others who come here looking for suggestions.

OP, there are plenty of show breeders out there. Try Pamalot in FL, Kansa in KS.
 

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I don't consider it snobby at all.

This person "claims" to have a ton of experience, and if they did have experience, they would not be coming to a message board to look.

I really suspect that they are a pet home looking for a show dog. They may know the lingo.

If I were looking for a show dog of any breed, I would not be addressing it in this way. There are a load of handlers who could help me to find the appropitiate dog even if I didn't know the breeders.

If they really know the show dog world, they know this. And, if they are really looking for a special to show this is not how you attain such.

They are not professing to be "beginners" of which all help here. So this is a different color of asking for a pup in my regard. I've been burned too many times by similiar experiences. I don't believe the request at all.
 

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^^^ Thats what seemed odd to me. Its not a matter of suspicion on my end so much as confusion. With that sort of experience and background, a random public forum would not be how I'd go about looking for a pup. I'd be asking around ring-side. Talking to handlers and checking out the dogs. Its sort of like how show/working breeders don't generally need to do much of any advertising to place pups, word of mouth on the field / at the ring will place them well enough in many cases... As well as people contacting them simply by seeking them out... You'd think an experienced show home would already have an idea of who they wanted a dog from, and to have contacted those individuals first... That is why I asked how long it had been since they had shown / finished a dog, especially since their previous breeders are no longer breeding / showing. I'm assuming its been a while and thats why they're not looking ringside first? (I could be totally wrong here).

That being said, OP... If it has been a while, please look carefully at any breeders that contact you. This forum does sadly get the occasional traffic from BYB and Puppy Mills, some of which do have titled dogs here or there in their pedigree, but none of whose offspring will likely do well (Kimbertal, for example). But they'll swear up and down their dogs are exceptional representations of standard, temperament, ect.

And instead of forums, maybe go to a show? That way you'll have the opportunity to talk to breeders, owners and handlers and get an idea of who/what you want. And you never know, you may run into someone you know that can help you out?

Best of luck! :)
 

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:) I have not had a dog in the show ring since 2000. That is a LONG Long time in the show world. The top dogs today are not the top dogs that were in the ring 12 years ago. I have not been to any shows other than in Canada so have no idea what is out there specialty wise. Yes I have seen photos of the top dogs but can not put my hands on them.. hence the forum. I see nothing has changed in the show breeder world. Not really a huge surprise as to why rookies purchase dogs from BYB is it? As for me I have gotten some amazing contacts from this thread ( as well as some higher than mighty snotty stuff) I have been absolutely forthright in my request, have stated that I can back my claims to a qualified breeder and still get regarded with suspicion. Weird that. Anyhow My post has served its purpose and will be posting as soon as we hit the shows :) A huge thank you to those that took the time to answer! See ya at the shows :):kiss:
 

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:) I have not had a dog in the show ring since 2000. That is a LONG Long time in the show world. The top dogs today are not the top dogs that were in the ring 12 years ago. I have not been to any shows other than in Canada so have no idea what is out there specialty wise. Yes I have seen photos of the top dogs but can not put my hands on them.. hence the forum. I see nothing has changed in the show breeder world. Not really a huge surprise as to why rookies purchase dogs from BYB is it?
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Glad you got some contacts. Also just as an FYI - I wouldn't consider this a 'show forum" of sorts. And most peole who responded aren't breeders so I'm not sure why you'd say it's not a surprise rookies purchase from BYB. Sorry if I'm not following your post. But it sounds like you are coming to that conclusion from the posts you received here.
 

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It will be really difficult to find a breeder who will you sell you a "specials worthy" dog when they have no idea who you are. Most don't want their nicest dogs going to someone who could just decide they don't want to show anymore, or anything like that.

Good luck with your search. I think you should just start out going to a breeder and just look for a show puppy to start out with, until the breeder knows you won't back out of the showing.
 
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