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My beautiful doberman Joe Black Has Groove passed away two weeks ago. I am trying to find his original breeder(s) in hopes of obtaining a puppy from Joe Black's family pedigree. Does anyone know these breaders? Joe Black's first owner lived in Oregon and she purchased him from these breeders.
 

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Found your website. I'm afraid you may not find many wanting to help you find these people. Looks like they were back yard breeders and now you are working on becoming one yourself.

This forum hold breeders to some very high standards and although I've noted you've done some health testing on your boy, I see nothing about him that suggests he should have sired any litters, much less 4.

What do you do with your dobermans? Do you show them in conformation, work them in agility, obedience, rally, French ring or Schutzhund? What redeeming qualities to you require in order to determine a doberman should be bred?

I looked at the sister's pedigree and don't really see anything that indicates she should have ever been bred as well.

Best of luck with your search and please take some time to really read up on breeders here, there are lots of great threads to help educated you to make some better choices hopefully.
 

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Thanks for the Welcome!

Wow. I barely joined this forum and I have been readily catalogued. Perhaps is the breeders' ingrained trait. I merely asked if anyone knew about the Erickson breeders because I ended up rescuing Joe Black from a doberman rescue facility in California. In fact my last four dobermans have all come from doberman rescue facilities. All of them have been neutered and I have never thought about breeding any type of dog. I am quite familiar with the desperate situation of many unwanted pets, including dobermans, dying in shelters or living out their lives in rescue facilities. I am a woman of little means and it has been very hard to provide medical treatment for my last four dobermans which, although all lived full lives (10+ years) battled different illnesses which were costly to treat (megaesophagus, thyroid, hip displasya, kidney stones). Joe Black came with a certificate of medical testing and stayed very healthy until about two months ago when he stopped eating and was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen and liver and finally died two weeks ago from that (after a huge vet specialist bill). So, please, I urge you to not assume everyone's world looks like yours and maybe listen a little bit more next time, ask questions if you want to truly be helpful, if not, it is okay also. It was just very sad to ask a question and to have the kind of response I received from you Reds which was then quickly endorsed by the rest of "the group."

Perhaps I am barking up the wrong crowd and should stay put with my humble rescuees.

Thanks for reading this. I wish you the best in your world! Goodbye. Bukita
 

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Wow. I barely joined this forum and I have been readily catalogued. Perhaps is the breeders' ingrained trait. I merely asked if anyone knew about the Erickson breeders because I ended up rescuing Joe Black from a doberman rescue facility in California. In fact my last four dobermans have all come from doberman rescue facilities. All of them have been neutered and I have never thought about breeding any type of dog. I am quite familiar with the desperate situation of many unwanted pets, including dobermans, dying in shelters or living out their lives in rescue facilities. I am a woman of little means and it has been very hard to provide medical treatment for my last four dobermans which, although all lived full lives (10+ years) battled different illnesses which were costly to treat (megaesophagus, thyroid, hip displasya, kidney stones). Joe Black came with a certificate of medical testing and stayed very healthy until about two months ago when he stopped eating and was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen and liver and finally died two weeks ago from that (after a huge vet specialist bill). So, please, I urge you to not assume everyone's world looks like yours and maybe listen a little bit more next time, ask questions if you want to truly be helpful, if not, it is okay also. It was just very sad to ask a question and to have the kind of response I received from you Reds which was then quickly endorsed by the rest of "the group."

Perhaps I am barking up the wrong crowd and should stay put with my humble rescuees.

Thanks for reading this. I wish you the best in your world! Goodbye. Bukita
If this isn't your website or your dog, then an apology is owed..... but you can see where the assumption came from.

Joe Black Has Groove
 

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Wow. I barely joined this forum and I have been readily catalogued. Perhaps is the breeders' ingrained trait. I merely asked if anyone knew about the Erickson breeders because I ended up rescuing Joe Black from a doberman rescue facility in California. In fact my last four dobermans have all come from doberman rescue facilities. All of them have been neutered and I have never thought about breeding any type of dog. I am quite familiar with the desperate situation of many unwanted pets, including dobermans, dying in shelters or living out their lives in rescue facilities. I am a woman of little means and it has been very hard to provide medical treatment for my last four dobermans which, although all lived full lives (10+ years) battled different illnesses which were costly to treat (megaesophagus, thyroid, hip displasya, kidney stones). Joe Black came with a certificate of medical testing and stayed very healthy until about two months ago when he stopped eating and was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen and liver and finally died two weeks ago from that (after a huge vet specialist bill). So, please, I urge you to not assume everyone's world looks like yours and maybe listen a little bit more next time, ask questions if you want to truly be helpful, if not, it is okay also. It was just very sad to ask a question and to have the kind of response I received from you Reds which was then quickly endorsed by the rest of "the group."

Perhaps I am barking up the wrong crowd and should stay put with my humble rescuees.

Thanks for reading this. I wish you the best in your world! Goodbye. Bukita
Judging from this, I would guess that is not her website? Perhaps it is the site of the people who owned him before he ended up in a rescue?
I hate to say it but sometimes people dont really read what is said before they accuse others of something? She said in her first post that his FIRST owner lived in Oregon, that alone would indicate the possibility she wasnt the original owner so why jump to conclusions about her being a breeder? Sometimes people should not say things which they dont know until they have all the facts.
 

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Found your website. I'm afraid you may not find many wanting to help you find these people. Looks like they were back yard breeders and now you are working on becoming one yourself.

This forum hold breeders to some very high standards and although I've noted you've done some health testing on your boy, I see nothing about him that suggests he should have sired any litters, much less 4.

What do you do with your dobermans? Do you show them in conformation, work them in agility, obedience, rally, French ring or Schutzhund? What redeeming qualities to you require in order to determine a doberman should be bred?

I looked at the sister's pedigree and don't really see anything that indicates she should have ever been bred as well.

Best of luck with your search and please take some time to really read up on breeders here, there are lots of great threads to help educated you to make some better choices hopefully.
How did you find her website? I don't think she even has one. I tried. All I found were the original owners' website. Not a great site, but still, not Bukita's.

I think someone owes someone else an apology....
 

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WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, sorry Bukita, there will always be some people jumping the gun quickly. And i'm very sorry that your handsome boy passed away and sorry for your lost and hopefully you will find what you been in looking for in your next 4 legged companion.
 

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I'm sorry that we all jumped to that conclusion.

However, as someone involved with rescue, please do not support your dog's original breeders. They obviously weren't ethical breeders who cared enough to keep him out of rescue. There are really great, ethical breeders out there who support their dogs for a lifetime. Please support one of them, rather than the type of breeder who let you boy end up in rescue.
 

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Wow. I barely joined this forum and I have been readily catalogued. Perhaps is the breeders' ingrained trait. I merely asked if anyone knew about the Erickson breeders because I ended up rescuing Joe Black from a doberman rescue facility in California. In fact my last four dobermans have all come from doberman rescue facilities. All of them have been neutered and I have never thought about breeding any type of dog. I am quite familiar with the desperate situation of many unwanted pets, including dobermans, dying in shelters or living out their lives in rescue facilities. I am a woman of little means and it has been very hard to provide medical treatment for my last four dobermans which, although all lived full lives (10+ years) battled different illnesses which were costly to treat (megaesophagus, thyroid, hip displasya, kidney stones). Joe Black came with a certificate of medical testing and stayed very healthy until about two months ago when he stopped eating and was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen and liver and finally died two weeks ago from that (after a huge vet specialist bill). So, please, I urge you to not assume everyone's world looks like yours and maybe listen a little bit more next time, ask questions if you want to truly be helpful, if not, it is okay also. It was just very sad to ask a question and to have the kind of response I received from you Reds which was then quickly endorsed by the rest of "the group."

Perhaps I am barking up the wrong crowd and should stay put with my humble rescuees.

Thanks for reading this. I wish you the best in your world! Goodbye. Bukita
First and foremost, however you acquired Joe Black, I am truly sorry for your loss.

Now, that said, there is an unfortunate fact on ye olde interwebs, and that is that folks with less-than-stellar ethics often post and interact on message boards.

Forgive the healthy (and necessary) skepticism that sometimes pops up.

If that isn't your (breeding) website, and if you are not involved with Killian Dobermans or Nevre'stra Dobermans, or Nikole and Brian Julian, well, then apologies are in order, yeah.

Communication and community interaction are a two-way street, though, so perhaps if you'd indicated a bit more in your very first post here, about how you'd *ethically* acquired a BYB "stud" dog, then folks would not have "jumped the gun."

Also, to reiterate what Meadowcat posted--I am also puzzled as to why, if you know about the problem with Dobermans sitting in rescues and kill shelters, why in the world would you even consider supporting with your purchase money crappy breeders like the ones who produced your innocent dog, Joe Black?
 

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Also, to reiterate what Meadowcat posted--I am also puzzled as to why, if you know about the problem with Dobermans sitting in rescues and kill shelters, why in the world would you even consider supporting with your purchase money crappy breeders like the ones who produced your innocent dog, Joe Black?
Gonna speculate on this for a different opinion. I recently lost my first dobe (product of a BYB, before I knew better) at the age of 10.5. Since the time we bought her as a puppy we have had 3 rescues, and occasional fosters and done numerous transports. When she was diagnosed with lymphoma my gut instinct was to find any and all of Julians relatives. I just wanted HER. It's a gut wrenching, painful response to grief. My brain came back, and we have a pretty little fawn GCDR girl. But someone seeking out a recently lost dog's relatives on the Internet is perfectly normal and easy to understand in my head
 

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I do apologize for people jumping the gun a bit - I'm sure there is more than one dobe named Joe Black. If I remember correctly there is a beautiful AKC Ch with the same name.
 

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My condolences on your loss OP.

I can totally empathize w/post #15. And when I did finally run across a dog that reminded me of my 1st. I cried like a baby in the middle of a crowd...embarrassing.
 

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Wow. I barely joined this forum and I have been readily catalogued. Perhaps is the breeders' ingrained trait. I merely asked if anyone knew about the Erickson breeders because I ended up rescuing Joe Black from a doberman rescue facility in California. In fact my last four dobermans have all come from doberman rescue facilities. All of them have been neutered and I have never thought about breeding any type of dog. I am quite familiar with the desperate situation of many unwanted pets, including dobermans, dying in shelters or living out their lives in rescue facilities. I am a woman of little means and it has been very hard to provide medical treatment for my last four dobermans which, although all lived full lives (10+ years) battled different illnesses which were costly to treat (megaesophagus, thyroid, hip displasya, kidney stones). Joe Black came with a certificate of medical testing and stayed very healthy until about two months ago when he stopped eating and was diagnosed with cancer of the spleen and liver and finally died two weeks ago from that (after a huge vet specialist bill). So, please, I urge you to not assume everyone's world looks like yours and maybe listen a little bit more next time, ask questions if you want to truly be helpful, if not, it is okay also. It was just very sad to ask a question and to have the kind of response I received from you Reds which was then quickly endorsed by the rest of "the group."

Perhaps I am barking up the wrong crowd and should stay put with my humble rescuees.

Thanks for reading this. I wish you the best in your world! Goodbye. Bukita

Since it was me that originally jumped the gun I do apologize. Can't tell you how many times people come here to promote very poor breeding choices. Since you have been involved with rescue you know first hand how much heartache can be caused by these types of breeders.

I am sorry for your loss, but I still feel strongly that we as a community should not support breeders that are not putting the best interest of this breed ahead of money. Just because your boy lived a long time doesn't mean that his offspring or siblings have.

I had a nice boy that lived a very healthy life, never a health issue until the week he died at 10 1/2 of liver failure. I know that 2 of his siblings died before they were 7. I only know this because they went to the same dog park I did, not because of the breeder.

You indicated in your post that you were looking for a puppy from the same lines as your boy and based on what I found on-line, it would appear that you will most likely be supporting poor breeding ethics in doing so.

If you are looking for a puppy there are some very wonderful breeders around that have longevity in their lines and have done all the testing to ensure that they continue to produce healthy dobermans.

Good luck with your search and sorry to of offended you.

P.S. I tried fostering and sucked at it because I kept my first rescue LOL.
 

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I wish to thank all of you who have posted apologies and condolences. I feel my faith has been restored in the world of Doberman breeders. Please know I did not intend to cause such a stir by my question about the Erickson breeders. Their name was on my beautiful deceased boy's registration and that was all I had to go by. I want to emphasize that he was never bred and when I got him he was neutered. My reason for wanting to find the original breeders was to see if a puppy from the same family could be obtained. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BREEDING Dobermans or other pets. I have no website nor did my Joe Black have one and I certainly did not know anything about the Erickson breeders. Several of you asked why I would even think about supporting irresponsible breeders. I reiterate that I knew nothing about them as breeders or otherwise. I still do not know much about them, except I get the impression from the sum of comments in your different responses that they are not ethical/responsible breeders. I believe you call them back yard breeders (new term for me).

All I want is a little Doberman puppy that will stay healthy and remain with me for ten years of more (forever would be ideal although unreal). I guess I wanted someone to guarantee his health and longevity and since Joe Black was so healthy for the years I had him until he got cancer I thought the Erickson breeders could be a way to proceed.

I have gone back to my beloved shelters and hope to find a puppy to love and care for. I will have to take my chances with his health and longevity since I likely cannot afford a "well-bred" puppy, especially after the last vet bills for my Joe Black.

In all, I believe my question and your forum could have been better served by simple and straightforward information as to the Erickson's bad reputation as breeders. If a question is unclear and you wish to respond in helpful ways, perhaps asking follow up questions would be a better idea, rather than unfortunate assumptions especially when the inquirer is completely new to the forum and is in real need of information and/or education.

I thank you again for taking the time to respond and ease the initial "blow" to me. As much as we are interested in teaching many things to our adorable animals we will do well (I included) to learn from them to listen and love as well as they do.

May your loved ones live long and happy years and may they feel loved each and every minute of them.

Bukita

P.S. I was touched by some of your comments on how you love your Dobies. Thank you.
 

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Hello again,

I seem to have an apology of my own to make. I was reading back the thread above and saw on Ms. Fitzmar's reply the link to Joe Black Has Grove website which I failed to notice before when reading her message (mostly I was seeing "red"). I now opened the link and that is my precious boy Joe Black. I did not know he had descendancy, much less that he was being advertised on the web as a stud. My sweet boy was always so simple with me I had no idea. No wonder he loved the beach so much. Here I was thinking I had introduced him to it. In any case, I can see how the entire stirring began as his name came up and his website was accessed. I still don't know what exactly was wrong with the Erickson Breeders. I never got that answered. If someone would care to give me the particulars I would appreciate it. At this point it just becomes background information as to my precious boy, although much belated.

I do, however, sincerely apologize for all the confusion. Had I open the Joe Black's website when first provided by Ms. Fitzmar, it would have saved a lot of time, words and hurt feelings. Unfortunately, I was "seeing red" there for a while. Like I say in my previous post, we (I included) would do well to learn from our beloved pets to listen and love as well and humbly as they do.

It was both good and sad to see my baby's pictures. You have to admit he was BEAUTIFUL outside and he was so much more so inside.

Bukita.
 
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