Poo, well all I did was typye in Jonescrest in the search box, there are about 6 thread that mention it and at least 3 that are specifically talking about it.Sam, that links to an error message.
We are glad you are happy with your dobeman, but that doesn't make them a good breeder.We have a gorgeous 5-year old Jonescrest dobie. She's healthy as a horse, has the most beautifully cropped ears and the most gentle disposition of any dog I've ever been around. We met both of Bella's parents--her mother was a beautiful medium-sized award winner and her father a gorgeous beast from Brazil. People actually stop me on the street to tell us how beautiful our girl is.
Sorry others have had problems but I can't say enough good things about Dodie at Jonescrest and I would absolutely purchase another puppy from them.
I have looked for their website and can't find it either.
She meant all dobermans have cardio in their lines.I liked Doty she seemed like a nice person.
When I came back into Dobermans after being out for awhile...though I still had them at home not showing, I looked at her website then for a pup.
I had her send me the pedigrees and found Thunder there as well.
She told me she had no cardio in her dogs. That was the first kicker because all dobermans have cardio nowdays. What the real issue is is whether or not that dog strongly reproduced it. Thunder did for sure. I don't know of any puppy he produced not dieing from it.
So Thunder is someone I'd stay away from. I passed and looked somewhere else.
I'm sure now that Thunder is way burried back in her pedigrees. But breeding dogs, when you own both is sort of a kicker to me. Although, I may obtain a bitch to breed someday to my puppy dog from Blue, its not the same as just warehouseing dogs and using them.
There is a difference in creating your own line, and going out, and back in, but breeding for convience is a different matter.
While there certainly was a high incidence of DCM in the dogs tracing to Thunder, I do not think it correct to say "almost every pup". You don't know that, and as a matter of fact there have been some cardio free long lived dogs sired by Thunder as well. We just don't know the statistics, especially on the pups sold as pets. While I am no fan of that pedigree for the reason you stated, among others, I want comments to be fair and correctly presented.This dog threw cardio, DCM, to almost every pup he ever sired and they had told that poster there was no cardio in their doberman's lines.
Ch. Soquel's Distant Thunder. Our Past - Thunder | www.soqueldobermans.comWhat was "Thunder's" registered name?
Of course that's correct. I was thinking of only the dogs listed as his prodigy on Dobequest as I did research all them several years back. Plus all but one of his littermates died of cardio. The other died from swallowing a stone or something, so they never knew if it would have developed dcm or not. No offense taken. Cheryl said those lines were a cardiac minefield. She was very open about it, unlike some others. I am glad she had Conner as her last red boy.While there certainly was a high incidence of DCM in the dogs tracing to Thunder, I do not think it correct to say "almost every pup". You don't know that, and as a matter of fact there have been some cardio free long lived dogs sired by Thunder as well. We just don't know the statistics, especially on the pups sold as pets. While I am no fan of that pedigree for the reason you stated, among others, I want comments to be fair and correctly presented.