Here is the thread I was referring to frznbuns....First off I have been with this forum since it first started. next. I went through my 500 post and I do not see where you are saying that my post look like I am a BYB also that two of my dogs almost ended up in rescues. Please reread the post. the one you are looking at say" that while working in my backyard, my 4 dogs went nuts and I saw my hubby with a Doberman in our alley." We found the dog running loose. We took the dog around the neighborhood for 7 hours knocking on doors putting up posters looking or the owners. Where we live we only have animal control to put a lost dog. so that is what I did. I also tried to contact KC MO Doberman rescue but got no help. As I was going to animal control every day to check on the Blue Male that we had to take to them, Another Doberman was surrendered to Animal control by someone else. I told Animal control that I would take them to NE Doberman Rescue but both got Adopted.!!!! next I do not list all the credits that my dogs have because that is my business and no one else. If you find a post of mine that says "Bceause I wouldn't take them back for the buyer" I am from Missouri and I say "Show Me". Hey all try and have a happy Holiday. I know I will because I have my two beautiful Dobermans by my side . My Beautiful WHITE "Yuki" and my Beautiful Black "Senshi"