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Hello fellow Doberman lovers,

I've loved Dobermans since I was little, but I've never had the chance to own one before now. And yet, I'm feeling like....for whatever reason, I'm striking out.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong when I try to contact breeders, but I feel so bad. I try to be as polite as possible and as thorough and honest as I can be when I fill out their puppy questionnaires, but once I send it back I never hear from the breeders again.

I don't want to re-email back or call because I don't want to seem like a pushy weirdo, and I've read all the "Puppy Buyer Etiquette" things and don't want to try contacting a dozen different Doberman breeders...I've only contacted a few, and yet I never hear back, and I just feel so, so low about it. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

For reference, I'm a young health professional who is married. My husband is in lucrative family business which is dog-friendly and he would be able to take the pup to work. We own our own house that is fenced, with no kids (and they're not in our future) and no other dogs. I'm active--used to be in cross country--and love to go hiking and have all the time and energy in the world to devote to my first Doberman.

I'm also not asking for "just a pet." I would LOVE to get into show and/or agility or obedience, but would especially love conformation. I let them know I'm more than happy with co-ownerships, limited registrations (even for show), and higher prices--or even just their pet quality puppy from a litter. I just want to be given a chance.

But...I don't know. I guess I'm just not a good candidate. This whole "trying to buy a puppy process" has me saddened to the point of tears.

Someone help me out. What can I do to be a better candidate? How can I show myself to be the type of person who is honest and trustworthy and worthy of a puppy? How do you get a breeder's attention (in a positive, non-pushy way)?
 

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Hi Glass...

First of all, take a step back. Don't so be defensive or hurt.

I seriously doubt that reputable breeders are either ignoring or dissing you. These are very busy people. Most have a real life, beyond their passion of breeding wonderful Doberman dogs

Questions?

-Where do you live?
-Who have you reached out to?
-Time frame... Most really good breeders work off a really extended time frame. These are not puppy mills.

Get back here with some more specifics and you will get very good advice.

Best to you in your search.

John
Portland OR
 

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I don't want to re-email back or call because I don't want to seem like a pushy weirdo
Believe me, I get it. I am interested in purchasing a puppy from a different breed and I think I have a way better than average "doggy resume". I spent some time on a forum for the other breed, and took some time in trying to choose what I thought would be a good breeder of that breed. As a breeder myself, I know what I want to hear from a potential owner and I've certainly had more than my share of "want puppy, how much" emails so I sat down and wrote a nice e-mail telling about myself and the things I've done with my dogs. I have shown, bred and finished champions and titled in performance, ROMs, etc. I have served my local all-breed and national breed club. I've done rescue. I've got the owned home and the fenced yard, I've got a fairly easy work schedule (most shifts are just 4 hours). Etc etc etc. I sent off my hopeful e-mail back in February and I heard nothing back!

That got me to thinking that if someone like me can't get a reply back from a breeder, how the hell hard it is for a complete newbie???

So, in my case, I did wait about 3 months (and I'm not saying that you should. I got kind of sidetracked with other things.) And I did re-send my original email along with a note that said hey, did you get this? I'm just wondering if this went to your spam box or something ... And then I did get a very positive response from the breeder, and hopefully I will get a puppy in the spring.

You're not a weirdo or pushy if you re-send your email or jog their memories because they truly might not have received it. It may have landed in a spam box. Some families use the same email address and it could have been deleted by someone mistakenly. You just never know. It may have just come at a really bad time, they've meant to get back to you but things have piled up and it's got pushed too far down the list of emails. Things happen. It certainly doesn't hurt to send a reminder that you're interested, you sent their questionnaire, did they receive it?
 

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Glassdobe - don't be so hard on yourself, and for heaven sake...stop emailing.

I've had 3 top breed pups, since 1977...
- from senior breeders, with +30 years experience & over 50 Championships, in their lineage
- Study their website
- read their puppy questionnaire, and answer the questions...in your own mind
- ask yourself, "why should I be sold one of these precious babies, I am a stranger to this reputable breeder"?
- if your home and family life has many pluses & few negatives...

PICK UP THE PHONE...
- and be prepared for a 40 minute 2 way interview...SELL YOURSELF !!
- if you genuine and can prove a "forever home", full of Love ...you will make the short List

PS - I never have to wait for a puppy, once a relationship is established...with said breeder - my phone call sells itself.
- even when asked once about not having a fully fenced yard... I perimeter & off-leash train, my pups solid
- I even share a story or two, on Vet surgery / have the means to care, for health problems

Our Dobe girls, sleep in the master bed @ night & on a leather sectional during the day.
- we even home cook dogs food now, for health reasons
- breeders that sell us a pup, know their baby ...won the Lottery Ticket
^^ SELL Yourself, emails are often considered as Junk Mail....breeder told us.
 

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Hey John 🙂
I honestly don’t think the breeders are dissing me; I know they have lives, jobs, confirmation shows, and their own dogs and families to look after, I just don’t want to be that person that e-mails again after not receiving a response for a couple weeks and have them think “ugh, they couldn’t have waited?” you know..? I really really don’t want to bug them right out of the gate.

As for specifics:
-Midwest. There are ZERO DPCA-qualified reputable breeders in my state, so I’ve reached out to closer out-of-state breeders up to a 20-hour drive away. But to be honest, if a reputable breeder from, say, New York would give me a chance, I would be on that plane and renting a car to drive that pup home in a heartbeat.
-I’ve reached out to Foxfire (Michelle is very sweet and was open, but after sending in the questionnaire I haven’t heard back and I know she’s popular, so I really don’t want to annoy her by re-emailing her), Poesie, and Starlaine. I’m trying to keep my list as small as possible to not be a “Horace,” but I also really like Old Drum and Merrimac but haven’t reached out.
-I am willing to wait up to 2 years for a pup and let them know I would love to just be on a waitlist.


Thank you for your reassurances, poster #2 (for some reason on mobile all these show as “Guest” even though I know I’ve seen John’s avatar and such on desktop?). I’ll send them a quick reminder and try to be as polite as possible about it. I just feel at such a disadvantage coming in as a newbie when I have such a high interest in conformation and such.

I haven’t actually sent any “reminder” emails yet, Poster #3 😉 But I’ll take your advice and pick up the phone and give them a call and try to more thoroughly sell myself to them and try to build a relationship with the breeder. Thank you for the advice 🙂
 

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1. Don't feel defeated, we will help you out.

2. It could be the breeders that you are reaching out too don't have any litters or plans for any litters. Who have you reached out too?

3. There's a FB group called "Doberman Breeder listing" when a breeder has a puppy they post it there.

4. Maybe you could send me a copy of one of your emails in PM and I'll critique it for you.Many people send time posting what THEY want from the breeder and what THEY want from the puppy (BYB's love these people) and very little time talking about themselves and why they would be a good candidate for a puppy (this is what good breeders are looking for). A good breeder spends A LOT of time preparing for a litter, taking care of the litter, preparing the litter..... and they want to make sure that THEIR babies are going to the best matched home possible.

5. I live in Denver and we have a female available. We would like to have at least one female go to a show home, so if that's something you're interested in, it could be a good match. They won't be going to their new homes until the end of September though.
 

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1. Don't feel defeated, we will help you out.

2. It could be the breeders that you are reaching out too don't have any litters or plans for any litters. Who have you reached out too?

3. There's a FB group called "Doberman Breeder listing" when a breeder has a puppy they post it there.

4. Maybe you could send me a copy of one of your emails in PM and I'll critique it for you.Many people send time posting what THEY want from the breeder and what THEY want from the puppy (BYB's love these people) and very little time talking about themselves and why they would be a good candidate for a puppy (this is what good breeders are looking for). A good breeder spends A LOT of time preparing for a litter, taking care of the litter, preparing the litter..... and they want to make sure that THEIR babies are going to the best matched home possible.

5. I live in Denver and we have a female available. We would like to have at least one female go to a show home, so if that's something you're interested in, it could be a good match. They won't be going to their new homes until the end of September though.
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Hello fellow Doberman lovers,

I've loved Dobermans since I was little, but I've never had the chance to own one before now. And yet, I'm feeling like....for whatever reason, I'm striking out.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong when I try to contact breeders, but I feel so bad. I try to be as polite as possible and as thorough and honest as I can be when I fill out their puppy questionnaires, but once I send it back I never hear from the breeders again.

I don't want to re-email back or call because I don't want to seem like a pushy weirdo, and I've read all the "Puppy Buyer Etiquette" things and don't want to try contacting a dozen different Doberman breeders...I've only contacted a few, and yet I never hear back, and I just feel so, so low about it. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

For reference, I'm a young health professional who is married. My husband is in lucrative family business which is dog-friendly and he would be able to take the pup to work. We own our own house that is fenced, with no kids (and they're not in our future) and no other dogs. I'm active--used to be in cross country--and love to go hiking and have all the time and energy in the world to devote to my first Doberman.

I'm also not asking for "just a pet." I would LOVE to get into show and/or agility or obedience, but would especially love conformation. I let them know I'm more than happy with co-ownerships, limited registrations (even for show), and higher prices--or even just their pet quality puppy from a litter. I just want to be given a chance.

But...I don't know. I guess I'm just not a good candidate. This whole "trying to buy a puppy process" has me saddened to the point of tears.

Someone help me out. What can I do to be a better candidate? How can I show myself to be the type of person who is honest and trustworthy and worthy of a puppy? How do you get a breeder's attention (in a positive, non-pushy way)?
I really feel for you - that's super frustrating, and like Mary&Dobes said, I think sometimes stuff goes to spam, or people get busy... I think this is why a lot of "newbies" get frustrated and end up giving up or going to a less reputable breeder. I really, really commend you for sticking with it and not doing that.

I don't think you'll be pushy or come off badly if you send a follow up email or, better, give a phone call to say something like, "I am not trying to be pushy, I'm not in a hurry for a puppy, but I want to follow up with you to be sure you received my application and am hoping to discuss your breeding program and any questions you have about my application. I'd love to talk more when it's convenient for you, either by email or phone, whatever you'd prefer." I think sometimes either things get overlooked, or some breeders honestly just try to "weed people out" by waiting for those that seem more serious, which is unfortunate. I also wouldn't hesitate to reach out to the other breeders you're interested in - as long as you let people know that you've reached out to a couple of breeders I don't think that's an issue at all.

Like Mary, I had a somewhat similar thing happen - we're looking for a purebred cat within the next few years, in a breed with small litters and long waiting lists. I'd filled out an application with a breeder I'd actually chatted with, didn't hear back. I waited about a month and finally followed up. She had actually typed out a reply to me and it was sitting in her draft email...she just hadn't hit send but thought she had! She's just super busy, too. We were approved - if I hadn't followed up we wouldn't know, and maybe she would have contacted us in like, 2 years...who knows?

In any case, please do follow up! I think it's very worth it to do so and it sure sounds like you're doing everything right.
 

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She had actually typed out a reply to me and it was sitting in her draft email...she just hadn't hit send but thought she had!
Ugh! That has happened to me, too! Or I honestly compose emails in my head and just think I actually did it. Sounds ridiculous, I know.

Again, speaking as a breeder, I really do prefer emails to begin. I realize everyone is different. I do not think of them as junk mail at all. The phone and telephone scammers have me so angry these days that I am immediately suspicious of any phone call coming from a number I don't know. The scammers are really making me hate the phone. I keep weird hours. With email, I get it when I'm ready and looking for email. I can take my time in considering what was said, and I can take my time in considering what I want to say. And I can do it at 2 am if I want! LOL I think email is great! And of course then you have the option of asking if they prefer a phone call and if so, when?

Another thing to consider is that with well established breeders, often they have former and current puppy owners all lined up for their litters already, which is great for them, and not so great for you. That often makes availability poor from the better breeders. That's why a wait is often necessary.
 

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One of the things you should know about contacting breeders is 'when' the best time is. If I was trying reach a breeder who didn't know me I'd send an e-mail first--explaining what I was interested in and what I planned to do with the dog and while not in a hurry I would be interested in getting added to the waiting list.

If I hard nothing back in a month or so I'd call--when you call breeders, remember that the good ones are often actively showing dogs in conformation or some sort of working activity. Dog show happen mostly on weekend or sometimes in cluster where show happen in the same area, same venue on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. So in the height of show season you are not going to find the breeder home waiting for phne calls often. On top of the actual shows during weekends there is travel time so I've found that Wednesday is the best day to try to reach breeders--with Tuesday and Thursday next best. And if I can't make contact that way I'd send another email--asking if they got my first of my phone message--asking what would be the best time to reach them by phone.

The better breeders get lots of e-mail and lots of phone calls--so checking back isn't pestering to me--it's trying to reach a breeder and most breeders understand that.

Good luck...

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I'm sorry would you care to elaborate?
Hi Karen... I believe Alan is objecting to you putting a puppy out for sale on DT. It is, I believe, against the "rules".

Me? I could not care less, especially if it helps a prospective owner connect with a nice Doberman puppy.

I hope your little girl finds a great home.

John
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Hi Karen... I believe Alan is objecting to you putting a puppy out for sale on DT. It is, I believe, against the "rules".

Me? I could not care less, especially if it helps a prospective owner connect with a nice Doberman puppy.

I hope your little girl finds a great home.

John
Portland OR

Sooo…. you can suggest other breeders that have litters on the ground but not your own? Plus it's not my litter, I just know that she's looking for a potential show home.
 

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Sooo…. you can suggest other breeders that have litters on the ground but not your own? Plus it's not my litter, I just know that she's looking for a potential show home.
LOL. Karen... I thought your post was totally appropriate. Still...Chacun a son gout! Hey girl... It's an open forum and people have opinions.

BTW... AlanJ is a good guy. (Mostly... HaHa)

John
 

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Sooo…. you can suggest other breeders that have litters on the ground but not your own? Plus it's not my litter, I just know that she's looking for a potential show home.
There are rules for breeders on the forum, and no, you can't really try to place puppies here. Please take a read through this if you aren't familiar: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedi...eeders-breeding-forum-update-7-15-2016-a.html

I'm not exactly sure what Alan meant, so I'll let him speak for himself...seems like it may have been a joke of some kind? I have no idea.

I will let this thread get back on track, though, so let's please keep it to the OP's topic, and keep to the rules of the forum. Thanks, all. Mod hat off.
 

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Another good option that has not been mentioned is going to shows and meeting the breeders there. Heck DPCA National is coming up in early October in Kansas. That would be a fantastic opportunity to get to see the "cream of the crop" and meet breeders.

We will be there with our Mya for Top 20 conformation.
 

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I'm in Canada but did a recent puppy search in December 2018. I sent a very heartfelt email to 4 breeders explaining that we had just let our old lovey female dobe go to the spirit world. I introduced ourselves, our 10 year dobe experience, what we had to offer ( lots of love), what a typical day would be for the puppy and the mistake we made with Coco getting her from a byb and that we would not be doing that again.

I heard back from 3 of the 4 breeders within a day. 1 came to our house to interview us. Another invited us over to their house after we spoke on the phone for a hour. 1 I chose not to pursue. Both of the breeders we met had waiting lists but bumped us to the top because we had formed connections. I authorized vet reference checks which confirmed that we had done right for Coco and she had been well cared for.

When I entered into a contract with my breeder, the other one emailed me to advise of a friends litter that was available but I had already found Sugar.

Maybe we got lucky and the stars aligned for us because we were heavily grieving the loss of our old lovey. Maybe it was because we had prior dobe experience. Maybe its different in Canada.

Keep trying. Send follow up emails. I don't think that's weird. Good luck in your search. They are great dogs and well worth the wait.
 

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Hey Glassdobe

I sent you a PM with a copy of my initial email for you to use as reference. In there I never once asked about price because I had an idea of the cost and it was not the most important thing for me. I'm not saying it's the be all end all but I got responses from 3 breeders within a day 3 days before Christmas.

If it helps you great. If its garbage just delete please.

Good luck!
 

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I second everything people have said here, especially about the time (or lack thereof) that most reputable breeders have, and just how busy they can be - and why, dare I say it, how forgetful they can get. For what it is worth, you sound like the perfect home for a dobie and any breeder should be lucky to have a home like yours lined up for their puppies.
Don't hesitate to send a followup after time has elapsed.

If it makes you feel any better I was recommended several breeders here on DT. One actually returned my emails and started talking back and forth. Two never replied and one replied asking where/who gave me the reference but then never replied back to me. Like you I had taken the time to write a presentation about who I was, what I was looking for in a dog and in a breeder. I later found out that two of those who never replied were no longer breeding. And I am now FB friends and speak regularly with the one who never followed up. The one who actually did reply and engage invited me to a show, took the time to show me things ringside and teach me about dobes and the working group. And while my girl ended up not coming directly from her, my girl is out of a bitch that was bred by her and that she sold to a breeder who was at the time under her tutelage (but no longer is... for shame).

Point is, don't get discouraged! Be patient, keep trying and don't be afraid to send gentle reminders every now and then.

Are you looking to a specific geographical area or are you open to the entire country/continent?
 
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