[kingbrehm]

You are the first person to say that a doberman isn't a guard dog(maybe you are talking about the american doberman which is not a really good guard dog). Any dog will protect me in a case of an emergency. This is not the point..

A doberman isn't a guard dog. I'd be surprised if anyone other than you on DT disagreed with me. A doberman is a companion dog which in turn makes the dog protective of it's owners.

My parents owned a mutt years ago that would wag it's tail if a theif broke into the house. So no, not everydog will defend or protect in an emergency.

 

[kingbrehm]

Doberman is a guard dog based on Guard dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . The american dobies are not bred for working dogs and some breeders don't prefer them and avoid them for that purpose European vs American Dobermans .
Even without training my dobie is going to protect me but with training you can control dog's aggression for good.


"And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency."
Could you please provide some information to enlight us about which kind of dogs we should avoid for protection?

I don't give a damn what Wikipedia says is a guard dog. Dobermans are smart and extremely attached to their owners which is what makes them excellent protectors. From the sounds of it you are forgoing any relationship with your dog. You're missing out.

 

[kingbrehm]

One last thing before I take off, OP, using the website of a "breeder" who is marketing puppies and taking down payments for a litter they haven't even bred yet is probably not the best reference.

 

[omikron]

I don't give a damn what Wikipedia says is a guard dog. Dobermans are smart and extremely attached to their owners which is what makes them excellent protectors. From the sounds of it you are forgoing any relationship with your dog. You're missing out.

Can you provide some valid information not out of your mind but from some reliable sources?

 

[Adara]

You are the first person to say that a doberman isn't a guard dog(maybe you are talking about the american doberman which is not a really good guard dog). Any dog will protect me in a case of an emergency. This is not the point..

Huh interesting. If you asked my guests yetserday, they'd disagree with you when Flirt scared the crap out of them when I let her out as they were walking up the drive and they froze in their steps. This was poor timing on my fault and she was fine with them when she realized they were not intruders but guests. All American lines, show to boot.

 

[omikron]

One last thing before I take off, OP, using the website of a "breeder" who is marketing puppies and taking down payments for a litter they haven't even bred yet is probably not the best reference.

So you disagree with this website. I will find you another. But if you think the american is the same in character as the european, you need to do some research on that. But now I am on chill mood so I am not gonna defeat internet to find you another source.

 

[the_discowhore]

When people say it's not a guard dog they mean it's not a property or livestock guardian breed. Dobermans are NOT meant to stay outside by themselves guarding a property, they were never intended for that nor should they ever be expected to do that. The Doberman was bred as a personal protection dog, for protecting people from people, meant to live inside and be close to the people they protect, not meant for guarding houses or farms.

 

[Audrey1]

So you know how it feels! LOL! In 7 weeks the trainer will take care of her. Because he is far from my house I have to leave her there so I am going to visit her twice or three times a week. He told me the dog will be a soldier without damaged personality and when I get her back she is gonna be perfekt in the house. So it is not going to last for long this wake up thing, I just don't wanna transfer stress to the dog

I don't even want to respond to this part.

As to your doggie waking you up. Tough Sh*t. That's life. If you had a baby it would be the same. And like human babies, not all dogs are the same. Some will sleep thru the night sooner and some later. But remember, it won't be like this forever...just like humans who are all worried about their kids getty potty-trained. I mean...uh, how many kids are still wearing diapers in college?

You should have taken a good look at your own needs (sleep, lack of commitment to trianing) and thought good and hard before getting anything you are supposed to be responsible for.

 

[OliviaB]

You are the first person to say that a doberman isn't a guard dog(maybe you are talking about the american doberman which is not a really good guard dog). Any dog will protect me in a case of an emergency. This is not the point..

I'm sorry but this statement is so wrong in so many ways. No, not ANY dog will protect you...that's the most insane thing I ever heard. My house was robbed a few years ago. Guess where my sheltie was? HIDING! No, not ALL dogs will protect you. Not even ALL dobes will protect you...especially those who haven't been raised correctly to bond with their owner!

As far as the American show doberman not being a good guard dog, that literally made me laugh. The first dobe I ever met belonged to my vet and was a champion show dog. One day he was in the front office with me while we are all about to go home, and two homeless men came in begging for money. They were very aggressive and pushy, and guess what that SHOW dog did...he PROTECTED us!! He even cornered those people until the cops arrived.

A doberman was bred to be a guard dog, but they are first and foremost a FAMILY dog. They thrive on being with their people and need to be a part of the family. That was bred into them from the very beginining!! They weren't dogs to be chained out back to defend property. They were raised by a man who bonded with them, and in return, they protected him while he collected taxes. I really hope you can learn some more. Honestly it sounds like you have NO clue what you are talking about.

 

[omikron]

I'm sorry but this statement is so wrong in so many ways. No, not ANY dog will protect you...that's the most insane thing I ever heard. My house was robbed a few years ago. Guess where my sheltie was? HIDING! No, not ALL dogs will protect you. Not even ALL dobes will protect you...especially those who haven't been raised correctly to bond with their owner!

As far as the American show doberman not being a good guard dog, that literally made me laugh. The first dobe I ever met belonged to my vet and was a champion show dog. One day he was in the front office with me while we are all about to go home, and two homeless men came in begging for money. They were very aggressive and pushy, and guess what that SHOW dog did...he PROTECTED us!! He even cornered those people until the cops arrived.

A doberman was bred to be a guard dog, but they are first and foremost a FAMILY dog. They thrive on being with their people and need to be a part of the family. That was bred into them from the very beginining!! They weren't dogs to be chained out back to defend property. They were raised by a man who bonded with them, and in return, they protected him while he collected taxes. I really hope you can learn some more. Honestly it sounds like you have NO clue what you are talking about.

Did I ever say I am going to dump my dog in a farm and let it with 15kg of food to guard chickens? My dobie is meant to live 24/7 inside the house. How would be possible not to establish a good connection?
For the american - euro doberman discussion I will bring evidences cause I don't wanna fight but argue with valid arguments which I don't have now to prove but you neither do.

 

[KevinK]

So you disagree with this website. I will find you another. But if you think the american is the same in character as the european, you need to do some research on that. But now I am on chill mood so I am not gonna defeat internet to find you another source.

Wait, so you read a breeders website, and that makes you a pro now?

 

[MeadowCat]

For the american - euro doberman discussion I will bring evidences cause I don't wanna fight but argue with valid arguments which I don't have now to prove but you neither do.

Let's try to keep this from turning into yet another American vs. Euro thread. That's a topic that's been done over and over and if you really, really must, then post a new thread about it.

 

[OliviaB]

Did I ever say I am going to dump my dog in a farm and let it with 15kg of food to guard chickens? My dobie is meant to live 24/7 inside the house. How would be possible not to establish a good connection?
For the american - euro doberman discussion I will bring evidences cause I don't wanna fight but argue with valid arguments which I don't have now to prove but you neither do.

Don't waste your time..I'm not here to argue about american-euro dobermans. I really don't have a care either way. A doberman is a doberman and I love them all. The only argument I had was with your statement that american line dogs are not good guard dogs. That is completely false.

 

[StarlightDobe]

Doberman is a guard dog based on Guard dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . The american dobies are not bred for working dogs and some breeders don't prefer them and avoid them for that purpose European vs American Dobermans .
Even without training my dobie is going to protect me but with training you can control dog's aggression for good.


"And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency."
Could you please provide some information to enlight us about which kind of dogs we should avoid for protection?

I would love to see a little teacup Chihuahua or a Yorkshire Terrier protect you in the event someone was robbing your house. At most they would annoy them with their yapping, but most likely they would hide under a dresser and shiver. There are several other small or toy breeds as well as alot of mutts that will never protect you in the event of an attack on you. As well, I would bet my life (sadly it probably would have cost me my life if it ever came to that) that the lab I owned would have happily brought his slobber covered ball to any thief that invaded my home and sat wagging his tail until they tossed it for him to chase. I have known and worked with several breeds of dogs enough to know which ones are protective and which are not, and again I will tell you a Doberman is NOT a guard dog, it is a protective animal that when the need arises, without one bit of training ever will gladly step between its owner and trouble and defend out of nothing more than its own love and loyalty. Yes, a Doberman can be trained to attack on command, but that is not training a guard dog, that is honing a natural instinct in a dog, and you should learn the difference, or give up on being a Doberman owner now.
As for whether or not the American bred Doberman can protect as good as the European ones, let me just say that I have one of each, and Id be willing to let you come see which one rips your leg open first for trying to hurt me.

 

[omikron]

Don't waste your time..I'm not here to argue about american-euro dobermans. I really don't have a care either way. A doberman is a doberman and I love them all. The only argument I had was with your statement that american line dogs are not good guard dogs. That is completely false.

Ok, but getting into details and know more about the doberman is good. I am not trying to prove you wrong , afterall everyone has his opinion, the only that matters is the truth and scientific facts.... I would like to share some knowledge based on undisputed sources and accept others opinion the same way.

 

[OliviaB]

Ok, but getting into details and know more about the doberman is good. I am not trying to prove you wrong , afterall everyone has his opinion, the only that matters is the truth and scientific facts.... I would like to share some knowledge based on undisputed sources and accept others opinion the same way.

You're not listening. I'm not arguing any other point except that you said American line dogs aren't good protectors. That is 100 percent false. I'm not comparing the different lines, because once again, I don't care. I'm not arguing which line is better because I'm completely neutral. Again, my ONLY argument with this is that the American line dobermans are still very good protectors. My "facts" come from real life experience. You can internet search all you want.

 

[StarlightDobe]

You're not listening. I'm not arguing any other point except that you said American line dogs aren't good protectors. That is 100 percent false. I'm not comparing the different lines, because once again, I don't care. I'm not arguing which line is better because I'm completely neutral. Again, my ONLY argument with this is that the American line dobermans are still very good protectors. My "facts" come from real life experience. You can internet search all you want.

And I can back those facts up with real life experiences of my own as well.

 

[StarlightDobe]

Can you provide some valid information not out of your mind but from some reliable sources?

Taken from justdogbreeds.com, since you are so fond of internet information:
"The Doberman Pinscher is often referred to by enthusiasts as "The Cadillac of Dogs." They've also been called "the dog with the human brain." Originally bred to be a guard dog, the Doberman Pinscher makes a protective family pet. (Sometimes, due to their somewhat erroneous reputation, the mere presence of a Doberman is sufficient deterrent to evildoers.) However, a Doberman Pinscher in a loving, stable environment is also a loving, stable dog, and an obedient and loyal companion. He is not a dog you simply chain outside to protect your property. A Doberman is a people dog and will show you unflinching devotion. He will need to be by your side. They are incredibly intelligent, perceptive, intuitive, and sensitive, all of which makes them highly trainable. However, they require you to be a firm pack leader, or they will assume the role. A Doberman will need to be obedience trained. The Doberman Pinscher is a versatile breed: family dog, agility champion, therapy dog, seeing eye dog, police dog. They are used to being active. They are fearless, outgoing, and up for anything, anytime. They need vigorous exercise every day and they need to be mentally stimulated. Dobermans do best when they have a job to do. (However, they are not fond of rain, so they will nap with you until the sun comes out.) Speaking of napping, the Doberman is a cuddler! Be prepared to be watching TV, minding your own business, and suddenly finding a Doberman in your lap. He will also try to sleep with you. A Doberman will be lovey-dovey with you on the couch, but will be reserved with strangers. They have a natural ability to evaluate a situation and determine whether or not their family is being threatened. The Doberman loves his children and will be protective of them. Dobermans are prone to behavior issues because they are so intelligent and energetic, but a Doberman who is provided with exercise, care, attention, and training should be a perfect gentleman in the home. You just need to have the time and be able to make the commitment. As with many breeds, the Doberman is not for everyone. "

From Dogtime.com:
"The Dobie's fierce reputation precedes him. He is feared by those who don't know him, stereotyped as highly aggressive and vicious. True, he is a formidable guardian, but he is usually a gentle, watchful, and loving dog. He does not go looking for trouble, but he is fearless and will defend his family and turf if he perceives danger.

The Doberman Pinscher enjoys being part of a family. He likes to be close to those he loves and, when this love is present, he is a natural protector. He is trustworthy with his family's children, friends, and guests as long as he is treated kindly."

Would you like me to go on? I can find plenty more.

 

[RedFawnRising]

You guys are just getting baited.

Hard, sometimes, to not get caught up in it, I know, esp. when we feel like we're bearing witness to some abusive "puppy raising" techniques and philosophies.

 

[OliviaB]

You guys are just getting baited.

Hard, sometimes, to not get caught up in it, I know, esp. when we feel like we're bearing witness to some abusive "puppy raising" techniques and philosophies.

You're right. Nothing we say will change anything. Leaving this alone....