I'm not trying to be harsh, but it sounds like she's really not getting enough play time and social time. They need HOURS a day...not minutes at a time. Pedigree doesn't really matter either....ALL puppies (even mutts) need socializing and play time. No dog would be happy spending most of it's time locked in a crate. I use a crate, but ONLY at night or when I can't watch his every move. He spends the majority of his day by my side. Not to mention training.....Gunner is 16 weeks and already is solid on 8 commands and hand signals. It is bonding time as well as play time. I can't imagine waiting until a dog is 6 months to start it. I don't see the point at all....it's your dog so you will do what you want, but I would seriously consider how many people have issues with what you've been told. These people have years and years of dobe experience and are all concerned for your dog. At the very least, please seek another opinion from a professional.
I am doomed...
I am so mad about my puppy waking me up so early for peeing. Every day we go out many times, 9,13,17.30,22,01 but yesterday we went out except at 01 in the morning. So at 22 I put her back to her box and I tried to sleep. She woke me up at 6in the morning and I let her pee in the balkony, couldnt really move or walk outside... so after that I sent her back to the box and she kept on whining and I thought she needs to poop... I am going down with her on the street to let her have her needs... but no.. we were just walking around for 20 min :ranting2: I got so f*****g mad...... I cant enjoy sleep at all.... every f*&§$%!§""g day something goes wrong and I cant enjoy deep sleep and the rest of the day I am like a zombie grrrrr now is 6:57 I will try to sleep and she is going to wake me up at 9 for sure , this is when she is "usually" pooing.... and I get mad and don't wanna transfer this feelings to the dog, but I get so mad if something wakes me up for no reason and especially the whining of the dog ITS ANNOYING in the morning.... should I buy earplugs and let the dog swim in her box with pee and poo or get my nerv system damaged over time? or what else can I do with her needs.. she is 4 months old.... my sleep needs are at least 8 hours / day to be ok during the day. thanks for reading....
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I'm not trying to be harsh, but it sounds like she's really not getting enough play time and social time. They need HOURS a day...not minutes at a time. Pedigree doesn't really matter either....ALL puppies (even mutts) need socializing and play time. No dog would be happy spending most of it's time locked in a crate. I use a crate, but ONLY at night or when I can't watch his every move. He spends the majority of his day by my side. Not to mention training.....Gunner is 16 weeks and already is solid on 8 commands and hand signals. It is bonding time as well as play time. I can't imagine waiting until a dog is 6 months to start it. I don't see the point at all....it's your dog so you will do what you want, but I would seriously consider how many people have issues with what you've been told. These people have years and years of dobe experience and are all concerned for your dog. At the very least, please seek another opinion from a professional.
I know nothing about training a dog , besides giving cookies when sometimes and with luck it does what I say. Yes, I know there are tons of guides... but is it time for experiments? Which commands does your puppy recognise?
Honestly, you need to do a lot of homework. You need to LEARN about training a dog, and you will see that what you have been told is NOT how the majority of people would raise a dog...let alone a dog that you hope to have a working career.I know nothing about training a dog , besides giving cookies when sometimes and with luck it does what I say. Yes, I know there are tons of guides... but is it time for experiments? Which commands does your puppy recognise?
My dog currently is solid on:
sit
stay
down
wait
come
leave it, and out
place
stand
It is never wise to "experiment" on a living animal in my opinion. You need to find a solid trainer (NOT the one you have) and be open to learning. Your dog is in a critical time in her development and a lot can be messed up right now if you aren't careful. You don't want to end up with a problem dog on your hands.
Everyone who is considering getting a puppy should read this thread 
All I can say is "this too, shall pass"....looking at it as "temporary", instead of of permanant part of your life may help you see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Or....think about it this way....what a goooooood puppy to tell you she needs out. When she's 60 or 70 lbs, how mad will you be when she's crapping and peeing around the house, and you're cleaning that up in the mornings, rather than taking her outside?? Letting her lose her natural instinct to keep her nest clean is a HUGE regret in the making.
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Or....think about it this way....what a goooooood puppy to tell you she needs out. When she's 60 or 70 lbs, how mad will you be when she's crapping and peeing around the house, and you're cleaning that up in the mornings, rather than taking her outside?? Letting her lose her natural instinct to keep her nest clean is a HUGE regret in the making.
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Honestly, you need to do a lot of homework. You need to LEARN about training a dog, and you will see that what you have been told is NOT how the majority of people would raise a dog...let alone a dog that you hope to have a working career.
My dog currently is solid on:
sit
stay
down
wait
come
leave it, and out
place
stand
It is never wise to "experiment" on a living animal in my opinion. You need to find a solid trainer (NOT the one you have) and be open to learning. Your dog is in a critical time in her development and a lot can be messed up right now if you aren't careful. You don't want to end up with a problem dog on your hands.
Yes exactly. I did research on trainers, nobody will accept a dog below 6 months. Think about it, they want to get more dogs so they can earn money but the denied very young puppies. This is a standard thing here. The problem with trainers here they way they teach dogs. Some of them are very brutal and they even hang them from the trees if they dont obey... You see... I have asked many other doberman owners about the training. Most trainers here are not specialized on just one dog breed they manage multiple without knowing all the little things that are important.
When I went there to see the enclosure and interview him I asked him to show me some of his grown up dogs and their training skills. Actually it was the first time in my life I came in contact with a huge doberman touching it and being so calm while minutes later was in the grass doing bite work like no other. A soldier dog with amazing personality... He told me many ppl use different techniques for everything, the result is all that matters (cause we spoke about my previews trainer for my shepherd). So he told me, all I have to do is a) show love to the puppy b) socialize (come in contact with other dogs and humans) c) quality food and lots of sleep without lot of excercise (thats why she spends time in the box). I think it makes sense what he told me to do, isn't right?
btw what type of doberman do you own? is it an american? I have got a european which is really different in charachter... don't skip this detail....
Okay, we aren't talking about my dog here but since you asked, he's a RESCUE. He's AKC registered, but I have no clue about his exact heritage...I really couldn't care less. You seem to be very wrapped up in pedigree and bloodlines and things. I raised a working police malinois last year though and before that I managed a very reputable show dog kennel. I'm quite familiar with raising puppies as are the rest of the people on this forum. You can flaunt good bloodlines all day long...it won't raise a puppy. You may not start working training until 6 months, but I don't believe that trainers around you won't even start BASIC obedience before then. Even petsmart does that! You seem to be set with this trainer, so I will wish you and your puppy the best of luck.Yes exactly. I did research on trainers, nobody will accept a dog below 6 months. Think about it, they want to get more dogs so they can earn money but the denied very young puppies. This is a standard thing here. The problem with trainers here they way they teach dogs. Some of them are very brutal and they even hang them from the trees if they dont obey... You see... I have asked many other doberman owners about the training. Most trainers here are not specialized on just one dog breed they manage multiple without knowing all the little things that are important.
When I went there to see the enclosure and interview him I asked him to show me some of his grown up dogs and their training skills. Actually it was the first time in my life I came in contact with a huge doberman touching it and being so calm while minutes later was in the grass doing bite work like no other. A soldier dog with amazing personality... He told me many ppl use different techniques for everything, the result is all that matters (cause we spoke about my previews trainer for my shepherd). So he told me, all I have to do is a) show love to the puppy b) socialize (come in contact with other dogs and humans) c) quality food and lots of sleep without lot of excercise (thats why she spends time in the box). I think it makes sense what he told me to do, isn't right?
btw what type of doberman do you own? is it an american? I have got a european which is really different in charachter... don't skip this detail....
I think we should all keep in mind that the OP does live in a different part of the world. Training, especially, may be different. Hopefully the OP can find a great, positive method trainer to work with, but it's entirely possible that in that country they really don't work with dogs until at least six months of age.
omikron, I'd suggest taking a look at the DT recommended books list and start doing some training on your own with your pup. Pat Miller's "The Power of Positive Dog Training" is a great place to start. I also really like Jean Donaldson's "Culture Clash." I think you'd get a lot out of these books.
As far as potty training goes, patience and consistency are really important. You may also want to have a check up with a veterinarian to rule out any illness like urinary tract infections that might be making potty training more difficult.
omikron, I'd suggest taking a look at the DT recommended books list and start doing some training on your own with your pup. Pat Miller's "The Power of Positive Dog Training" is a great place to start. I also really like Jean Donaldson's "Culture Clash." I think you'd get a lot out of these books.
As far as potty training goes, patience and consistency are really important. You may also want to have a check up with a veterinarian to rule out any illness like urinary tract infections that might be making potty training more difficult.
Ok, Im not sure where you are located at, but it sounds like wherever it is, the Doberman is a completely different dog than where I am. In the US, a doberman is a very gentle, sweet tempered, loving animal. Sure we have our share of ppl that are afraid of them but they are generally more calm than that. They are not terrified of them or worried that they are all going ot attack or bite them. My last dobe did therapy work and actually went into a hospital and visited sick people.I try to take her in contact with other people besides family members but it is hard, people are afraid of her although she is friendly they say "owh dude, thats a doberman, dont let it bite me" or they cross the street when the see the dog from far away. Thats why we stand 10 minutes in front of a store where many ppl are comming.
We walk and play at the same time for like 10-25 minutes every 4 hours. At home she is playing with anything she finds around me for at least 10min after every walk, don't worry..
Red pedigree receives a dog when both mother and father are champions.
Im researching for the best breeders & trainers since june, for malinois, rotties , german shepherds and dobies. For dobermans all the vets and everyone is suggesting this guy I bought my puppy. His enclosure is top quality. Money was not the issue, only the quality. If he is not good at what he does, then the rest will destroy my puppy... :/ Btw, she is going to take BH, IPO and maybe schutzhund training. So is it relevant with anything of the types you listed before?
10 minutes of play is not really much at all. My dogs are out of the crate all day. They can relax in any part of the house they want to. Your puppy should be allowed to follow you through the house, sit on your lap when you are relaxing and be with you all the time, not stuck in a crate when you are not playing with her. Trust me, it will NOT harm her growth or development, it will HELP her mentally. Let her sleep on your lap when you are watching tv or whatever you do to relax during the day or evening. Establish a training schedule, and teach her basics, sit, down, stay and come are great commands to begin with. Give her small pieces of chicken, or buy training treats.
If you are intending to send her to a trainer that is going to abuse her to get her to learn something you are going to end up with a mentally disturbed, very scared dog who is not doing anything out of love but out of fear. A dobe will gladly do whatever you ask of her, for love, praise, a favorite toy or food treats. Not suspending them from trees or whatever, or beating them into submission. I would be very hesitant to have someone train my dog if they are going to use harsh methods to do it.
As I said I dont know where you are from but it doesnt matter in the end, it is your dog and you need to establish a bond with her NOW, and you cant do that with her in a crate 90% of the time.
No no they wont abuse her for sure. He is selling his dogs at the age of 8 weeks old. I was not able to get a dog the last months due to travelling so when his pup reached 2 months they were sold although I was in contact with him for long time nothing left for me. Still he told me that maybe we could do something... he had this puppy in his house , he kept it for himself not even in his business enclosure... he had to call his wife to bring it there...If you are intending to send her to a trainer that is going to abuse her to get her to learn something you are going to end up with a mentally disturbed, very scared dog who is not doing anything out of love but out of fear. A dobe will gladly do whatever you ask of her, for love, praise, a favorite toy or food treats. Not suspending them from trees or whatever, or beating them into submission. I would be very hesitant to have someone train my dog if they are going to use harsh methods to do it.
As I said I dont know where you are from but it doesnt matter in the end, it is your dog and you need to establish a bond with her NOW, and you cant do that with her in a crate 90% of the time.
He wasnt really sure and had to debate with his wife about the puppy... you see why I trust him? He calls me to see her progress and check me if I do everything right... why would he abuse it? :thumbs-up:
So I am gonna check some books about training the very basic commands, such as sit,down,stay and will try to teach her and keep her mentally busy...
Everyone has given you some great advice! It's puppy hood and once she gets a little older everything will become easier. :goodluck:Just know you're not the only one going through this. I am going to be going through it again once I get my girl on the 19th. Haven't had a puppy in 4 years, but I'm ready! :grinball1:
How to house break a puppy or dog,If you take them out on about a 6 ft leash it helps keep them focused tell them go potty ,hurry up or what ever words you want to use just use the same words each time. Stand in one spot let them go all around you till they find the spot then Praise like it is the greatest thing you ever saw. If they do not go in about 20 minutes go back in and crate them or tie them to you them go back out in about 30 minutes.pups need to go out after naps,playing, eating & drinking 1st thing in the morning last thing at night depending on the age of the pup you may need to take them out at night too, one time. Always use a pet urine enzyme to clean up all traces of urine or feces you can use a black light to find all traces. It takes about 3-6 months of contestant training to house break a pup the more accidents they have the longer it takes. Hang a bell on the door you go out you ring it until the pup gets the idea how to ring it yes sometimes they ring it to go look at a squirrel but its a phase they go though you just have to go though it with them. Do not forget to praise each time they go to reinforce the potty training. If you are consistent you will also have a pup/dog that will go potty on command comes in handy when it rains,snow, is icy, on a trip at night . People will think you are a amazing trainer too. Good Luck with your new baby.
Please do not send your puppy a way to be trained by anyone you can train it your self teach sit its easy take a little treat put it above the puppy's nose go back a little bit puppy 's nose will follow and the puppy will or should go into a sit Praise.Get a training book, go on line read everything you can about training only do things that make you feel comfortable if you do not feel comfortable doing it a certain way do not do it.Follow your instinct's they usually will not steer you wrong. How old are you???? Puppies take time and commitment from their owners.Good Luck again.
Please do not send your puppy a way to be trained by anyone you can train it your self teach sit its easy take a little treat put it above the puppy's nose go back a little bit puppy 's nose will follow and the puppy will or should go into a sit Praise.Get a training book, go on line read everything you can about training only do things that make you feel comfortable if you do not feel comfortable doing it a certain way do not do it.Follow your instinct's they usually will not steer you wrong. How old are you???? Puppies take time and commitment from their owners.Good Luck again.
It would be nice to see some of the working contingent chime in on this thread--there are some old school folks who do not teach much if any basic obedience when the pup is very young, in preparation for a SchH career.
OP, is your puppy intended primarily as a family companion?
Or are you looking to participate and compete in dog sport?
OP, is your puppy intended primarily as a family companion?
Or are you looking to participate and compete in dog sport?
If the doberman was not suitable for family companion would never be chosen as my inner house guard dog. I am planning to train the dobie to be an excellent guard with judgemental mind. This is the most important. After we achieve the high level of training I don't know about shows or sports...It would be nice to see some of the working contingent chime in on this thread--there are some old school folks who do not teach much if any basic obedience when the pup is very young, in preparation for a SchH career.
OP, is your puppy intended primarily as a family companion?
Or are you looking to participate and compete in dog sport?
If the doberman was not suitable for family companion would never be chosen as my inner house guard dog. I am planning to train the dobie to be an excellent guard with judgemental mind. This is the most important. After we achieve the high level of training I don't know about shows or sports...
So, you didn't actually answer the question, unless "I don't know" is your answer.
FWIW, if you want this Doberman puppy to be a dog that is enjoyable and safe to live with, you'd be best advised to take the advice already given on this thread, read a lot, update your basic dog and training knowledge base, and then get some professionals to work with whose goals mesh with yours, for this puppy.
The advice you're reporting from your breeder/trainer isn't really appropriate for what you say you want from this dog.
No matter what you've been told, the more socialized, trained, and confident you make your puppy, the better "guard dog" it will become. The route you have planned now leads to an insecure, fearful, unstable dog who would not hold up to a real threat, nor be able to discern the difference between a friendly stranger and an attacker.
This is just plain abusive.Also my breeder told me I have to let my puppy inside the crate all the time cause her bones are soft so lot of excercise and games can cause displasia and because she is young she must sleep a lot, puppies grow up while sleeping. So every walk is 10 - 15 min maximum we can play for 10 min after the walk at home and then back to the crate..
For what it's worth: A doberman isn't a guard dog. You shouldn't be training your doberman to be a guard dog. You love your doberman so he loves you. Your doberman's love for you will make him protective of you, your family, and your property. You are going about this the wrong way.If the doberman was not suitable for family companion would never be chosen as my inner house guard dog. I am planning to train the dobie to be an excellent guard with judgemental mind. This is the most important. After we achieve the high level of training I don't know about shows or sports...
You are the first person to say that a doberman isn't a guard dog(maybe you are talking about the american doberman which is not a really good guard dog). Any dog will protect me in a case of an emergency. This is not the point..For what it's worth: A doberman isn't a guard dog. You shouldn't be training your doberman to be a guard dog. You love your doberman so he loves you. Your doberman's love for you will make him protective of you, your family, and your property. You are going about this the wrong way.
Any Doberman is not a GUARD dog .. ALL Dobermans are protective and will defend their family.You are the first person to say that a doberman isn't a guard dog(maybe you are talking about the american doberman which is not a really good guard dog). Any dog will protect me in a case of an emergency. This is not the point..
Let me introduce you to Nexus, an American bred Doberman, and let her show you just how protective she is of me, my house, truck, and family.
If you believe that a Doberman is not going to be protective simply because of its origins, then you truly do not understand the breed.
And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency.
Doberman is a guard dog based on Guard dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . The american dobies are not bred for working dogs and some breeders don't prefer them and avoid them for that purpose European vs American Dobermans .Any Doberman is not a GUARD dog .. ALL Dobermans are protective and will defend their family.
Let me introduce you to Nexus, an American bred Doberman, and let her show you just how protective she is of me, my house, truck, and family.
If you believe that a Doberman is not going to be protective simply because of its origins, then you truly do not understand the breed.
And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency.
Even without training my dobie is going to protect me but with training you can control dog's aggression for good.
"And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency."
Could you please provide some information to enlight us about which kind of dogs we should avoid for protection?
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