I am so mad about my puppy waking me up so early for peeing. Every day we go out many times, 9,13,17.30,22,01 but yesterday we went out except at 01 in the morning. So at 22 I put her back to her box and I tried to sleep. She woke me up at 6in the morning and I let her pee in the balkony, couldnt really move or walk outside... so after that I sent her back to the box and she kept on whining and I thought she needs to poop... I am going down with her on the street to let her have her needs... but no.. we were just walking around for 20 min :ranting2: I got so f*****g mad...... I cant enjoy sleep at all.... every f*&§$%!§""g day something goes wrong and I cant enjoy deep sleep and the rest of the day I am like a zombie grrrrr now is 6:57 I will try to sleep and she is going to wake me up at 9 for sure , this is when she is "usually" pooing.... and I get mad and don't wanna transfer this feelings to the dog, but I get so mad if something wakes me up for no reason and especially the whining of the dog ITS ANNOYING in the morning.... should I buy earplugs and let the dog swim in her box with pee and poo or get my nerv system damaged over time? or what else can I do with her needs.. she is 4 months old.... my sleep needs are at least 8 hours / day to be ok during the day. thanks for reading....
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First of all , thank you for your concern.A four month old puppy can only hold it's urine for 4 hrs if you're lucky. A rough gauge is 1 hr for every month old that they are. And they are just like babies. May I ask what your expectations are for this dog? And letting her pee in her crate is just asking for more trouble. She is not going to be able not pee where she sleeps if you don't let her out. Maybe an older pet would have been better for you. If you are not controlling input (food), you are not going to be able to controll output. Try not feeding her after 5:00 in the afternoon.
I guess you are right, I should stop feeding her after 5 or 7:00 in the afternoon, that might help a lot. I don't have high expectations from this puppy. When I got it I didn't know she comes with red pedigree , I just knew dobies are very loyal dogs and they need lot of human contact. Ofc they make good guards and will protect with bravery if needed. I have my puppy less than 1 week and she feels so comfortable with me and loves me I can see it in her eyes , she doesnt go away from me in the house everywhere together. I know puppies are trouble but you know... with my pekignese I never had this problem, since day 1 (and she was 2months old) she went to her diaper and never ever made me worry. my german shepherd was a big deal , I found her on the street and we guess she was 5-6 months old she didnt know what a house was lol so it was more trouble but at least she was living in the balkony as a puppy not next to my room like the dobie...
You slept with your puppy on the same bed?Sammy was ten weeks old when we brought him home. He's been sleeping with me from day one and we never had that problem, he always slept through the night. But if he had to go he would wake me up.
Did you think about these things before you got your puppy?? I sure wouldn't want my pup swimming in pee or poo.
Yes and I get mad when something wakes me up its not about the dog, but the dog doesn't know it so I have to find a good solution for both.
Why would I give my puppy back? Just because of that? Wow .... I said I am getting mad about waking up not that I am getting mad about the puppy which is 4 months in life and doesnt know how to act... if it was the puppy alone to control itself I wouldnt ask for assistance in here, it is me who has to control and take care of everything....Puppy is a baby dog, if you have this much trouble handling a baby dog you better not have kids human kids that is.A puppy takes about 3-8 months to completely house break depends on how consistent the human is house breaking the puppy.To make sure you are aware sometimes puppies do get UTI's ( Urinary tract infections) can make them pee more it can have blood in it I'm sure it hurts to pee just like in people. I hope you do not take your feelings out on your puppy Doberman s are very sensitive to their people.If you feel so violent towards you pup maybe you should return her to the breeder and get a older dog that is already house trained. Good Luck to you.
Agree. She did her pee only the her first night in the crate after that either outside of the house or in a balkony if not possible to go downstairs. I don't have any problems going out with my dobie , I actually like it. During the day I can handle anything if I get a proper sleep. Also my breeder told me I have to let my puppy inside the crate all the time cause her bones are soft so lot of excercise and games can cause displasia and because she is young she must sleep a lot, puppies grow up while sleeping. So every walk is 10 - 15 min maximum we can play for 10 min after the walk at home and then back to the crate.Gunner is 16 weeks. I got him at 13 weeks and he's never once woken me up at night. BUT, I also play hard with him right before bed and wear him out. I also feed him early in the evening so he has his last poop right before bed. Remember your pup is young, and needs a schedule to help get things under control. I definitely would NOT allow her to just pee in the crate. Likely, that will only make you more mad because then you will have a nasty stinky mess to clean up...not to mention it will only slow down housetraining. Although Gunner is great, I've had pups in the past who literally had to go out every 2 hours. It's exhausting yes, but I've also had two human babies so I was used to it. Hang in there...soon she'll grow up a bit and can hold it more.
Today I will feed her for last time at 17:00 and then at 23 or 24:00 will be the last walk outside. I need the key to 8hours sleep...
So you know how it feels! LOL! In 7 weeks the trainer will take care of her. Because he is far from my house I have to leave her there so I am going to visit her twice or three times a week. He told me the dog will be a soldier without damaged personality and when I get her back she is gonna be perfekt in the house. So it is not going to last for long this wake up thing, I just don't wanna transfer stress to the dog
The breeder who also has the training club specialized only on dobermans, told me to socialize my dog, give her hugs and make sure she sleeps a lot. Her diet is good with vegetables, chicken breast, fish, purina pro plan for sport type puppies, eggs, milk for dogs, etc...Please correct me if I'm wrong, but did you say that your pup is in her crate all the time, except for when she goes out, and only for a brief moment afterwards?
Do you not have her out of the crate to explore her surroundings? Do you not have her out to work on any social manners, obedience, brain teasers, cuddling?
Perhaps your breeder is uneducated, or perhaps there was a miscommunication, but puppies do need a lot of exercise, and a lot of attention. You cannot expect your dog to grow up well-mannered and well-socialized if it has grown up in a crate.
Hip dysplasia is genetic. If your dog has good genes, and good muscle tone (which it will not get from laying in a crate all day), there will not be a concern for hip dysplasia.
Muscular and osteo injuries occur from improper diets (too-high protein, improper calcium-phosphorous ratio, unnecessary supplements), and too-high impact activities (agility training, weight pulling, long-distance running, etc under 1-2 years).
Playing tug with your pup, or hide and seek will not cause damage. Doing basic training, taking your pup to kindergarten, going on 30 minute walks, and playing rough-and-tumble games with her will not cause damage.
Keep the session 30 minutes or less, but definitely provide her with plenty of sessions throughout the day. And when you're done with an activity, why not cuddle together, rather than put her back in the crate? She should sleep happily in your lap as you watch tv, or take a nap yourself.
I don't have to train my puppy cause she knows me very well eventhough I have her only since one week. She understands everything and the trainer already knows... so he told me to stop giving her commands or teach her cause mistakes will take time to correct.
Although my puppy has red pedigree with no genetic issues regarding displasia, he told me no to excercise her(avoid stairs, rock climbing, running, etc). Just pee & poo , 15 playtime at home and thats all for the next 7 weeks. Socializing is hard cause everyone is afraid of her on the street so people don't approach ... only the neighbors I force them to touch her lol... so I go near a supermarket I stand there for 15 minutes people are passing around and she is spectating... this is the most I can do now... oh and only dogs are approaching, big and wild ones too, she is really calm for her size and maturity.
I am confused cause of many opinions. But as for the training, why is bad to start training the dog when its 6 month old?This is also pretty bad advice unfortunately... While you want your dog to get used to the crate, leaving your pup in there for extended amounts of time is no good. Your dog needs to be exercised, trained, and needs lots of mental and physical stimulation every day. If you continue doing this, along with no training for the next 7 weeks, you're almost guaranteed to have a problem dog. Not trying to give you a hard time, but I would find some new people to get your info from.
Im pretty sure this breeder doesnt know what they are talking about. You should not leave a puppy in the crate all the time, even most of the BYB out there know that they need to be out around people, other animals and experiencing life.
NORMAL activities, such as walking, playing with toys, romping with littermates, are what all young pups do. And this should continue when a pup goes to a new home. Any breeder who tells a puppy owner to confine a puppy and deny it love, afection, exercise, playtime, and basic training for the first 6 months of its life is an ass. Sorry, but thats my opinion.
(bold above is my comments)
If I were you I would do one of two things ... either find a new and knowledgeable trainer who knows what they are doing, and REALLY knows the breed, or just save yourself the pain of having to take your dog to a rescue later on and find her a home with someone that can give her the kind of upbringing she needs without listening to a breeder and trainer who has no clue what they are doing. Thats my opinion.
I try to take her in contact with other people besides family members but it is hard, people are afraid of her although she is friendly they say "owh dude, thats a doberman, dont let it bite me" or they cross the street when the see the dog from far away. Thats why we stand 10 minutes in front of a store where many ppl are comming.
We walk and play at the same time for like 10-25 minutes every 4 hours. At home she is playing with anything she finds around me for at least 10min after every walk, don't worry..
Red pedigree receives a dog when both mother and father are champions.
Im researching for the best breeders & trainers since june, for malinois, rotties , german shepherds and dobies. For dobermans all the vets and everyone is suggesting this guy I bought my puppy. His enclosure is top quality. Money was not the issue, only the quality. If he is not good at what he does, then the rest will destroy my puppy... :/ Btw, she is going to take BH, IPO and maybe schutzhund training. So is it relevant with anything of the types you listed before?
I'm not trying to be harsh, but it sounds like she's really not getting enough play time and social time. They need HOURS a day...not minutes at a time. Pedigree doesn't really matter either....ALL puppies (even mutts) need socializing and play time. No dog would be happy spending most of it's time locked in a crate. I use a crate, but ONLY at night or when I can't watch his every move. He spends the majority of his day by my side. Not to mention training.....Gunner is 16 weeks and already is solid on 8 commands and hand signals. It is bonding time as well as play time. I can't imagine waiting until a dog is 6 months to start it. I don't see the point at all....it's your dog so you will do what you want, but I would seriously consider how many people have issues with what you've been told. These people have years and years of dobe experience and are all concerned for your dog. At the very least, please seek another opinion from a professional.
I know nothing about training a dog , besides giving cookies when sometimes and with luck it does what I say. Yes, I know there are tons of guides... but is it time for experiments? Which commands does your puppy recognise?
Honestly, you need to do a lot of homework. You need to LEARN about training a dog, and you will see that what you have been told is NOT how the majority of people would raise a dog...let alone a dog that you hope to have a working career.
My dog currently is solid on:
sit
stay
down
wait
come
leave it, and out
place
stand
It is never wise to "experiment" on a living animal in my opinion. You need to find a solid trainer (NOT the one you have) and be open to learning. Your dog is in a critical time in her development and a lot can be messed up right now if you aren't careful. You don't want to end up with a problem dog on your hands.
Yes exactly. I did research on trainers, nobody will accept a dog below 6 months. Think about it, they want to get more dogs so they can earn money but the denied very young puppies. This is a standard thing here. The problem with trainers here they way they teach dogs. Some of them are very brutal and they even hang them from the trees if they dont obey... You see... I have asked many other doberman owners about the training. Most trainers here are not specialized on just one dog breed they manage multiple without knowing all the little things that are important.
When I went there to see the enclosure and interview him I asked him to show me some of his grown up dogs and their training skills. Actually it was the first time in my life I came in contact with a huge doberman touching it and being so calm while minutes later was in the grass doing bite work like no other. A soldier dog with amazing personality... He told me many ppl use different techniques for everything, the result is all that matters (cause we spoke about my previews trainer for my shepherd). So he told me, all I have to do is a) show love to the puppy b) socialize (come in contact with other dogs and humans) c) quality food and lots of sleep without lot of excercise (thats why she spends time in the box). I think it makes sense what he told me to do, isn't right?
btw what type of doberman do you own? is it an american? I have got a european which is really different in charachter... don't skip this detail....
No no they wont abuse her for sure. He is selling his dogs at the age of 8 weeks old. I was not able to get a dog the last months due to travelling so when his pup reached 2 months they were sold although I was in contact with him for long time nothing left for me. Still he told me that maybe we could do something... he had this puppy in his house , he kept it for himself not even in his business enclosure... he had to call his wife to bring it there...If you are intending to send her to a trainer that is going to abuse her to get her to learn something you are going to end up with a mentally disturbed, very scared dog who is not doing anything out of love but out of fear. A dobe will gladly do whatever you ask of her, for love, praise, a favorite toy or food treats. Not suspending them from trees or whatever, or beating them into submission. I would be very hesitant to have someone train my dog if they are going to use harsh methods to do it.
As I said I dont know where you are from but it doesnt matter in the end, it is your dog and you need to establish a bond with her NOW, and you cant do that with her in a crate 90% of the time.
He wasnt really sure and had to debate with his wife about the puppy... you see why I trust him? He calls me to see her progress and check me if I do everything right... why would he abuse it? :thumbs-up:
So I am gonna check some books about training the very basic commands, such as sit,down,stay and will try to teach her and keep her mentally busy...
If the doberman was not suitable for family companion would never be chosen as my inner house guard dog. I am planning to train the dobie to be an excellent guard with judgemental mind. This is the most important. After we achieve the high level of training I don't know about shows or sports...It would be nice to see some of the working contingent chime in on this thread--there are some old school folks who do not teach much if any basic obedience when the pup is very young, in preparation for a SchH career.
OP, is your puppy intended primarily as a family companion?
Or are you looking to participate and compete in dog sport?
You are the first person to say that a doberman isn't a guard dog(maybe you are talking about the american doberman which is not a really good guard dog). Any dog will protect me in a case of an emergency. This is not the point..For what it's worth: A doberman isn't a guard dog. You shouldn't be training your doberman to be a guard dog. You love your doberman so he loves you. Your doberman's love for you will make him protective of you, your family, and your property. You are going about this the wrong way.
Doberman is a guard dog based on Guard dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . The american dobies are not bred for working dogs and some breeders don't prefer them and avoid them for that purpose European vs American Dobermans .Any Doberman is not a GUARD dog .. ALL Dobermans are protective and will defend their family.
Let me introduce you to Nexus, an American bred Doberman, and let her show you just how protective she is of me, my house, truck, and family.
If you believe that a Doberman is not going to be protective simply because of its origins, then you truly do not understand the breed.
And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency.
Even without training my dobie is going to protect me but with training you can control dog's aggression for good.
"And, no, not any dog will protect you in case of an emergency."
Could you please provide some information to enlight us about which kind of dogs we should avoid for protection?
Can you provide some valid information not out of your mind but from some reliable sources?I don't give a damn what Wikipedia says is a guard dog. Dobermans are smart and extremely attached to their owners which is what makes them excellent protectors. From the sounds of it you are forgoing any relationship with your dog. You're missing out.
So you disagree with this website. I will find you another. But if you think the american is the same in character as the european, you need to do some research on that. But now I am on chill mood so I am not gonna defeat internet to find you another source.One last thing before I take off, OP, using the website of a "breeder" who is marketing puppies and taking down payments for a litter they haven't even bred yet is probably not the best reference.
Did I ever say I am going to dump my dog in a farm and let it with 15kg of food to guard chickens? My dobie is meant to live 24/7 inside the house. How would be possible not to establish a good connection?I'm sorry but this statement is so wrong in so many ways. No, not ANY dog will protect you...that's the most insane thing I ever heard. My house was robbed a few years ago. Guess where my sheltie was? HIDING! No, not ALL dogs will protect you. Not even ALL dobes will protect you...especially those who haven't been raised correctly to bond with their owner!
As far as the American show doberman not being a good guard dog, that literally made me laugh. The first dobe I ever met belonged to my vet and was a champion show dog. One day he was in the front office with me while we are all about to go home, and two homeless men came in begging for money. They were very aggressive and pushy, and guess what that SHOW dog did...he PROTECTED us!! He even cornered those people until the cops arrived.
A doberman was bred to be a guard dog, but they are first and foremost a FAMILY dog. They thrive on being with their people and need to be a part of the family. That was bred into them from the very beginining!! They weren't dogs to be chained out back to defend property. They were raised by a man who bonded with them, and in return, they protected him while he collected taxes. I really hope you can learn some more. Honestly it sounds like you have NO clue what you are talking about.
For the american - euro doberman discussion I will bring evidences cause I don't wanna fight but argue with valid arguments which I don't have now to prove but you neither do.
Ok, but getting into details and know more about the doberman is good. I am not trying to prove you wrong , afterall everyone has his opinion, the only that matters is the truth and scientific facts.... I would like to share some knowledge based on undisputed sources and accept others opinion the same way.Don't waste your time..I'm not here to argue about american-euro dobermans. I really don't have a care either way. A doberman is a doberman and I love them all. The only argument I had was with your statement that american line dogs are not good guard dogs. That is completely false.
Alright... you become really annoying now. I thought I could take you seriously but you really are not professional and you just expressing your goofy feelings about raising a puppy which is going to be a working dog and for instance with ipo,schh trainning. Are you a trainer? Are you a breeder? What's your experience around this specific subject?
Some moderator lock this thread please. Its not useful anymore.
Some moderator lock this thread please. Its not useful anymore.
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