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Tyson said:
i guess you have never seen a hoytt barrie trained or you would like to hire him.
Personally, I've seen the Hoytt Doberman that won the DPCA top 20 a few years ago and I just felt sorry for her. She had no "spark". I don't know who exactly trained her - my understanding was that her owner was a trainer working for Hoytt but that poor dog executed all the moves and did everything she was supposed to do while looking completely miserable the entire time. IMO, it sure didn't look like anything positive had ever happened to her while in training.
 
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