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Hello All,

Weird and maybe silly question... are these just his hip bones sticking out?

I don't believe Jax is skinny to the point where his bones would be showing (I've been told he could probably lose 1-2 pounds), so I'm curious if this is normal? Maybe he is a little too skinny lol?

I don't notice these sticking out on his brother.
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This is does look unusual. Do the bumps appear to be the hip bones or hard swelling over the bone? Does he seem to trot and run normally? I wonder if there is some deterioration of the ligaments/muscles around the hip joints, causing them to appear to jut out. If his gait is normal and no pain, probably just keep an eye on it.
 

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He's definitely not too skinny--he's actually too fat and could stand to loose a pound or more. I wonder if what you are seeing and taking pictures of is the kind of structure that will also form a "panty line" where there is usually a little too much slope to the croup and if the dog is carrying too much weight you'll get a heavy loin and behind the hip bones a fat layer which makes a depression across the croup (hence the "panty line").

I agree that it does look unusual but if his movement seems normal at all gaits and he has no pain I probably take a little weight off him (so that he actually has a waist line at the loin and isn't just kind of the same width from shoulders to his butt. and keep an eye on it.

You might also want to ask his vet about it--they may have seen something like this in the past.

Good luck and let us know if you find out for sure what is involved.

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This is does look unusual. Do the bumps appear to be the hip bones or hard swelling over the bone? Does he seem to trot and run normally? I wonder if there is some deterioration of the ligaments/muscles around the hip joints, causing them to appear to jut out. If his gait is normal and no pain, probably just keep an eye on it.
The bumps are hard like bone.
I just looked back on puppy pics and could slightly see them, so he's def had these for awhile if not his whole life.
He seems just like his happy self, I just feel bad because I thought "hmm, his brother doesn't have these, I wonder why Jax does?"

I have a vet apt tomorrow so I will bring it up then.
 

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I just talked to a long-time breeder and my mentor and she's never seen anything like this. From the pictures she says you can see the band that shows a week union(this is that panty line dobebug spoke about), and there appears to be a breakdown in the spine column between the union and through the croup. She would encourage you to see a orthopedic specialist, and she thinks it's likely hereditary. Please keep us updated.
 

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**Update

We took Jax this morning to get his Bordetella Vaccine, and the visit was SUPER quick because they were very busy.
However, I did manage to ask our vet what those bumps could possible be.
She did not seem concerned at all, and said she thinks they are either muscle and/or fat deposits.
She mentioned he is not overweight, but shouldn't gain anymore weight.
She really didn't seem concerned, so I'm hoping its either muscle/fat deposits.

Should I ask for an X-ray or bring him to a different vet for another opinion?
I trust our vet, however I've never seen these on any other Doberman.
 

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Hi R.J. Thanks for the update

If it concerns you (It would me), you should consult a veterinary orthopedist, if possible. You may need a referral, but maybe not. Either way, and although they might not be accommodating, it wouldn't hurt to inquire if they would be willing to look at a photo first, in order to assess if a visit is warranted. Especially as there is a lack of accompanying symptoms. Of course this is assuming that you live in an area where a specialist is even available. If you don't, then perhaps a second opinion with another general practitioner would be the way to go. Preferably a DVM, who is familiar with Dobermans.

Your other obvious alternative is to simply take a "wait and see" approach.

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Hi R.J. Thanks for the update

If it concerns you (It would me), you should consult a veterinary orthopedist, if possible. You may need a referral, but maybe not. Either way, and although they might not be accommodating, it wouldn't hurt to inquire if they would be willing to look at a photo first, in order to assess if a visit is warranted. Especially as there is a lack of accompanying symptoms. Of course this is assuming that you live in an area where a specialist is even available. If you don't, then perhaps a second opinion with another general practitioner would be the way to go. Preferably a DVM, who is familiar with Dobermans.

Your other obvious alternative is to simply take a "wait and see" approach.

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Thanks for the suggestions!
Unfortunately, the closest orthopedic specialist is over 2 hours away, but I will definitely reach out to them and see if they'd be willing to look at a picture before I drive all the way down there - I would of course drive where ever needed to get my boy looked at.

To be honest, I did not feel any better leaving the vet today even though she said "she isn't concerned"- I still am concerned LOL

I think I will start to look for a DVM who is familiar with Dobermans.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions!
Unfortunately, the closest orthopedic specialist is over 2 hours away, but I will definitely reach out to them and see if they'd be willing to look at a picture before I drive all the way down there - I would of course drive where ever needed to get my boy looked at.

To be honest, I did not feel any better leaving the vet today even though she said "she isn't concerned"- I still am concerned LOL

I think I will start to look for a DVM who is familiar with Dobermans.
Finding a vet who is actually familiar enough with Dobermans is not as easy as you might think. Ask your breeder if they know such a vet. Look on the list of vet's who do good crops (on the Puppy SubForum Cropping and posting--there is a list. Several of the good croppers are also breeders but the bottom line for me would be to find an orthopedic specialist and make an appointment. I suspect that an orthopedist would tell you that pictures don't give enough for even do more than guess. Now X-rays which could be done and sent out for an evaluation of the hips/spine and your vet clinic should know where they could send them to get at least a preliminary evaluation.

Good luck and let us know what you are planning on doing and what the results are.

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I just showed his pictures to a vet/breeder and she doesn't think that's his hip bones, she thinks it's either muscle or lumps from being over weight.
I was surprised when her vet didn't think he was overweight--I sure did and I suspect those are basically fat--he also has some raised areas at his shoulder which look like a dog carrying too much weight.

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I was surprised when her vet didn't think he was overweight--I sure did and I suspect those are basically fat--he also has some raised areas at his shoulder which look like a dog carrying too much weight.

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What's odd is that I've never seen it lump like that and Mona and Nancy haven't either. Personally I'd want an x-ray done for my own sanity.
 

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To be honest, I did not feel any better leaving the vet today even though she said "she isn't concerned"- I still am concerned LOL
My sympathy. I once had a vet who said that about one of my foals (I was breeding horses back then). My reply to him was, "That's easy to say when it's not your foal."

I'm in the camp of seeing an orthopedic specialist. My experience has been the minute you have something vaguely out of the ordinary the best course is to consult a board certified specialist in that area -- bones, eyes, skin, teeth. They may be more expensive for the initial consult and per treatment appointment, but they're cheaper than paying a vet who hasn't a clue to try this and that.

Here in Colorado I've done that with several different specialties without a referral. You call them up and ask for an appointment because you're concerned about his hip bones showing in a different way than you or experienced Doberman people you've shown photos to have never seen before. Driving a couple of hours for such a consult wouldn't keep me from doing it.

It's not like you have to agree to some expensive procedure just to get an opinion, although x-rays might answer your questions.
 

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I don't think we've ever had to use referrals to see a specialist--except for the one time our vet sent us up to the vet school for an emergency surgery (which involved gut removal and peritonitis.)
 
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