Hi there Kain. It just gave me a good 'chill' when I read your post about saving 2 starving dobermans! People who think they want a dobe , then decide that they just dont have the time, patience, or committment to give them a good home are 'way too many. Thank you for being so caring as to give two very needy guys a good home and a lot 'o lovin! Oh, and welcome to the forum....pictures, pictures, pictures!!!