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My female Doberman (@6yrs old - rescue, so unsure of birthdate) all of the sudden had a seizure 10/15/2020. her legs collapsed and she fell to floor in full body convulsions. Lasted about 10-15 seconds. We were in he family room and she was behind us in the kitchen. By the time we even figured out what happened, it was almost over. Tonight 10/17/2020 just 3 days later - I was standing in the kitchen and she was at my side. Again, her legs collapsed and full body convulsions. I immediately grabbed her head and collar to keep her head from hitting tile. We see vet in the morning. I’ve had dogs all of my life and never experienced this. Any ideas? Experiences? after she seems a little shaken up but ok. I am puzzled. I can’t imagine good news down the road but I want to see who else has been through this.... thank you.
 

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No experience with this but more members will chime in soon.
‘Hope things get better for your baby.
 

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I'm sorry to hear this. Seizures are a scary thing, and unfortunately, in quite a few of them, you never find out what the cause is.

We've had a number of threads about seizures over the years—type "seizures" into the "search community" box up above, and you'll get the links to a lot of them. If you click onto "advanced search", you can list them in order with the most recent first.

Our newest thread is CBD Doberman Seizures The case may not be quite the same as yours, but there's a lot of helpful info there.
 

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Hi FM... Sorry to welcome you to DT under distressing circumstances. As mel said, this is an issue that is occasionally discussed here on DT.
So, read what the DT forums have to say in past threads and please check back to read any comments that will probably arrive.

Best to you and your girl,

John Lichtwardt
Portland OR
 

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No experience with seizures - hope you can get some answers, thinking good thoughts for her.
 
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Thank you all. I have read the threads. It seems like there is no good answer and end result is not a happy one. At Vet now and keeping positive thoughts. I have never had a dog so young have something so severe. My standard poodle Beau is 11 and has his elderly issues. I never imagined my Fiona would be the one w severe issues
 

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Thank you! vet Is doing more tests. It appears to be her heart and these were fainting spells. Very low heart beat and irregular pattern. This is most likely worse than seizures. 😢😢
 

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Thank you! vet Is doing more tests. It appears to be her heart and these were fainting spells. Very low heart beat and irregular pattern. This is most likely worse than seizures. 😢😢
Fiona's Mom, very sorry you are experiencing this at such an early (6y/o) age with your baby.

Our 10.5 y/o Spock passed just recently in Sept from rapid advancement of DCM/cardiac disease. I noticed some similarities to Fiona's incidents. Only difference is Spock never had convulsions following his collapses, almost always starting with loss of back legs, then front, and loss of bladder control, but recovered quickly. Vet said this was due to distance of back legs from heart when cardiac events occurred. On his last walk, due to exertion/ excitement and a female dog alongside, he just passed out and fell over sideways onto grass. Triggers for events were running in backyard for squirrel/ noise alerts, walk exertion, jumping off sofa, excitement to go out back and became more frequent.

It's painful to read, but here is my epilogue post in Spock's DCM thread that might be be helpful to you:
Senior Dobes - Spock & Eva DCM Thread

Note, unfortunately my approach was reactive to his DCM, not proactive as experienced Dobe owners have learned to practice, by experience with this breed. 😟

Hope you get Fiona treated, to hopefully mitigate her disease, since she's relatively young...
 

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Spocks dad- thank you for sharing your story. Fiona was diagnosed w a third degree block of the artiorvascular valve. They recommend taking her out of state to a cardiac specialist to surgically insert a permanent pace maker. No guarantees that she can survive the surgery and how much time it would buy us. And at a pretty high price tag. We have decided to let it all happen. At home. With us.
so far her back legs do buckle first then down but with convulsions. She has not lost bladder control during the events yet.
We are just going to spoil her silly and wait.🐾💔🐾
 

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I am so sorry to read about your girls diagnosis and what you are going through. What a beautiful girl she is. I'm so glad you rescued her and she has you at this time.
I can tell she is loved. Such a difficult decision, but a loving one. Most of us have been in the same position and it is never easy. Kind thoughts and prayers sent your way.
 

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Very sorry to read this.
 

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Was this your regular vet that diagnosed your girl, and how? I don't think that blockages like that are normal DCM in Dobermans. If you have not had a cardiac specialist do a workup on her, I would. I'd also want to know if there are medications they would suggest. Normal DCM in Dobermans is treatable with meds - success depends greatly on several items such as how advanced the disease is.
 
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My regular vet did xrays and ECG. They were sent electronically to a cardiac specialist for review and recommendations. Findings: third degree Atrioventricular block. Secondary to idiopathic degeneration snd/or fibrosis of atrioventrical node. The local cardiac specialist is out of office until November 5 and that cardiac specialist does not perform pacemaker surgery and would still ultimately send her out of state to the cardiac surgeon. If my baby is still with us November 6 we will schedule an emergency visit.
she is currently taking Vetmedin 10mg.
 

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I think I would want a cardiac ultrasound by a cardiac specialist before making any decisions. If you can find one that is experienced with Dobermans, that would be ideal. I'd also want to do a 24 hour holter. Most regular vets just don't have that much experience with cardiac or Dobermans.... you might have to travel farther.
 
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