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Does anyone feed any of the grain free Great Life???

I just ran across it looking for some food to order online.

Here is website with the food I am looking at up. greatlifedogfood.com

It looks pretty good to me and something I can feed my allergy boy.:)
 

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First, I suspect more often than anyone knows, nutrient analysis of foods is sloppy and/or just plain wrong, particularly with regard to micronutrients... I think that they think that no one pays any attention to that stuff. So, maybe this ain't right...

Second, I did not haul out my book and do complicated math... I did this ballpark.

Selenium is two things. It is a required micronutrient, AND it is a pretty dangerous toxin. It is suggested that dog foods contain 0.05 mg. or 50 mcg. selenium per pound, on a dry matter basis. Toxicity has been observed at 0.9 mg. or 900 mcg. per pound if fed for a prolonged period. It is one of the nutrients for which more is definately NOT better!

The buffalo formula contains approximately 228 mcg. per pound, or more than four times what it should. The chicken formula contains approximately 300 mcg. per pound, or six times what it should. The salmon formula contains 532 mcg. per pound, or more than ten times what it should and more than half of what is considered toxic.

This would bother me.
 

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Ok, mmctaq, looks like I didn't put the one I am looking at on here. Sorry, I was in a hurry.

Take note that I do rotate foods every bag, so ehe next month wouldn't be another Great Life food.

greatlifedogfood.com Aww shucks, it won't put the type of food up there. Keeps reverting back to first screen.

Soooo:

Vet Preferred Brand

US Grain Free Venison with Nutrient Coating

% BasisCrude Protein(min) 29
Fat (min) 14
Fiber(max) 4
Moisture(max) 10Ash 7.33Calcium 1.49Phosphorus 1.07
Carbohydrates (min) Vitamins Carotene MG/KG 1.40
Vitamin A IU/KG 13235
Vitamin D IU/KG 974 Vitamin E IU/KG 125Vitamin K MG/KG 0.94 Ascorbic Acid MG/KG 50 Thiamine MG/KG 17.05Riboflavin MG/KG 8.52
Pantothenic Acid MG/KG 21.92 Biotin MG/KG 0.54Folic Acid MG/KG 0.44Choline MG/KG 3058Vitamin B12 MG/KG 0.09Vitamin B6 MG/KG 5.4 Niacin MG/KG 68.38
Iodine MG/KG 3.7 Amino Acids Methionine-Cystine .937Methionine 0.577Cystine 0.25Lysine 1.26Tryptophan 0.24Threonine 1.02Isoleucine 1 Histidine 0.53Valine 1.58Leucine 2.52 Arginine 1.32 Phenylalanine-Tyrosine .92
Taurine 0.036 Minerals Sodium 0.36Potassium 0.63Chlorine 0.61Magnesium 0.279Sulfur 0.2585Manganese MG/KG 91 Iron MG/KG 422
Copper MG/KG 12.03Zinc MG/KG 251.64Selenium MG/KG 0.5171 Essential Fatty Acids: Omega 3 1.97%,Omega 6 0.3985 % and Arachidonic Acid .0736%

ME KCAL/Cup 434 ME KCAL/LB 1737

Suggested Feeding Directions: Dog Weight Puppies Adult Light/Senior 2 - 10lbs 1/2 - 1 cup 1/2 - 3/4 cup 1/4 - 1/2 cup10 - 25lbs 1-1/2 - 2 cups 3/4 - 1 cup 1/2 - 3/4 cup 25 - 50lbs 2 - 4 cups 1 - 1-3/4 cups 1 - 1-1/4 cups50 - 75lbs 4 - 5 cups 2 - 2-3/4 cups 1 - 1-3/4 cups75 - 100lbs 5 - 6 3 - 4 cups 2 - 2-1/2 cups100 - 125lbs 4 - 4-3/4 cups 2-1/2 - 3 cups





Ingredients

Venison Meal, Yams, Freeze Dried Sweet Potato, Freeze Dried Pumpkin, Blueberries, Bok Choy, Zucchini, Squash, Kale, Freeze Dried Papaya, Cranberries, Freeze Dried Chia, Parsley, Inulin, Enzymes: (Amylase, Protease, Cellulase, Pectinase, Lipase, Phytase, Xylanese, Hemicellulase, Alpha-galactosidase, Invertase), Probiotics (Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Plantarum Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Bifidobacterium Thermophilum Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Bifidobacterium Longum Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Bacillus Subtillus Fermentation Product Dehydrated), Kelp, Parsley, Artichoke, Salmon / Herring Oil. Vitamins (Dl-methione, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamone Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Calcium Pantothenate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acids Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acids Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acids Chelate).


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Pork

US Grain Free Pork with Nutrient Coating

Nutrient Profile % Basis Vitamins Bulk Density OZ./CUP 3.461

Carotene MG/KG 1.49 Vitamin A IU/KG 10010 Vitamin D IU/KG 774
Crude Protein min 30%
Vitamin E IU/KG 121
Fat min 12%
Vitamin K MG/KG 0.75
Fiber max 3%
Ascorbic Acid MG/KG 50
Moisture max 10%
Thiamine MG/KG 13.152 Fiber max 3 Riboflavin MG/KG 8.88 Ash min. 6 Pantothenic Acid MG/KG 18.70 Calcium min 1.37 Biotin MG/KG .48 Phosphorus min 1.29 Folic Acid MG/KG 0.46 M.E. KcAL/LB 1706 Choline MG/KG 3246 M.E. Kcal/cup 426.5 Vitamin B12 MG/KG 0.117 Vitamin B6 MG/KG 4.4 Niacin MG/KG 69.635 Iodine MG/KG 3 Amino Acids Minerals Methionine-Cystine .875 Sodium 0.4058 Methionine 0.533 Potassium 0.6773 Cystine 0.34 Chlorine 0.59 Lysine 1.44 Magnesium 0.3569 Tryptophan .31 Sulfur 0.23 Threonine 1.7 Manganese MG/KG 66.79 Isoleucine 1.34 Iron MG/KG 364. Histidine 0.65 Copper MG/KG 10.57 Valine 1.58 Zinc MG/KG 247.05 Leucine 2.52 Selenium MG/KG 0.3976 Arginine 2.133 Others Phenylalanine-Tyrosine 1.37 Omega 3 1.96% Taurine 0.0363 Omega 6 0.3985 Arachidonic Acid .07%





Ingredients

Pork Meal, Yams, Pumpkin, Sweet Potato, Blueberries, Bok Choy, Zucchini, Squash, Kale, Papaya, Chia, Inulin , Probiotics (Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Plantarum Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Bifidobacterium Thermophilum Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Bifidobacterium Longum Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Bacillus Subtillus Fermentation Product Dehydrated), Wild Salmon Oil/ Herring Oil. Vitamins (Dl-methione, Lecithin, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamone Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Calcium Pantothenate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acids Chelate, Manganese Amino Acids Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acids Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate,).


They sure as heck don't make it easy to read!!!
 

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Ok, mmctaq, looks like I didn't put the one I am looking at on here. Sorry, I was in a hurry.
The link goes to the main website, not to a specific product. Which one are you looking at? You did specify grainless, and there are only three grainless formulae, so I kinda figured I had covered it...

Nevermind...

The venison contains approximately 235 mcg. per pound, or almost five times the recommendation. The pork contains approximately 181 mcg. per pound or almost four times the recommendation.

The other thing that I am not a big fan of is the sheer number of ingredients, any of which could be a problem. Once, I was reading about barley grass powder and decided to try one little capsule per dog as an addition (now, I cannot even remember why). I had one Doberman and one mixed breed dog, and fifteen minutes after supper, they BOTH would begin gnawing at their wrists! Took the barley grass away and the gnawing ceased... added it back in and the gnawing resumed. Who would have thought?!! If this had been a componant of a product which was made from a huge number of ingredients, I never would have been able to figure out what the offending item was.
 

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Are you sure you are right on that???

I got an email in to the company to see what they say.

Geez, mmctaq, those ingredients are why I liked the look of it. I mean where can you find bok choy in dog food, Chia, whatever that is and papaya???
 

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Are you sure you are right on that???

I got an email in to the company to see what they say.

Geez, mmctaq, those ingredients are why I liked the look of it. I mean where can you find bok choy in dog food, Chia, whatever that is and papaya???
About the selenium? Yes, I am sure. It is more than recommended, although I don't think it poses a danger... I just question why it would be there at that level.

So... dogs have a requirement for bok choy, now? Really? Aside from Chia Pets, I was unfamiliar with chia so I looked it up; it seems to be primarily a source of essential fatty acids... dogs, being carnivores, probably find it as pointless as flax is to them. Papaya is nice, I suppose. I think all this stuff is in there to look good to human eyes on the label... "Ohhhh! Chia! MUST be good!" What, exactly, about these ingredients makes you like the look of it??? Why do you need to find bok choy and chia and papaya, and on what basis would you assume that finding them is better than not? Just their novelty does not define them as nutritionally beneficial, or even appropriate; without even knowing what it is, it sounds like you were pleased/impressed that chia is among the ingredients... why???
 

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About the selenium? Yes, I am sure. It is more than recommended, although I don't think it poses a danger... I just question why it would be there at that level.

So... dogs have a requirement for bok choy, now? Really? Aside from Chia Pets, I was unfamiliar with chia so I looked it up; it seems to be primarily a source of essential fatty acids... dogs, being carnivores, probably find it as pointless as flax is to them. Papaya is nice, I suppose. I think all this stuff is in there to look good to human eyes on the label... "Ohhhh! Chia! MUST be good!" What, exactly, about these ingredients makes you like the look of it??? Why do you need to find bok choy and chia and papaya, and on what basis would you assume that finding them is better than not? Just their novelty does not define them as nutritionally beneficial, or even appropriate; without even knowing what it is, it sounds like you were pleased/impressed that chia is among the ingredients... why???
My goodness, mmctaq, try not to get so upset that I like the look of these ingredients. I mean, chia is chia, after all.

I like the look of them cause most look to be nutritious veggies and given that they are rarely, at least I haven't seen them, in dog food, makes me think perhaps they are not likely to cause an allergy reaction. It is not like Parker has had time to develop an allergy to them anyway.

It doesn't look like any of the veggies are used to boost the protein so I am figuring most of the protein comes from the venison and pork. Tho I do have a question into one of the dogfood analysis and rate places.

The two foods look like they would make a good addition to my rotation, which I am always looking for new foods to add.

Try not to get your panties in a wad when I spot novel veggies or ingredients. I don't mean anything by it, I swear, it's nothing against you, girl. I still love you.:)
 

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LOL! Neither upset nor wadded panties <vbg>. My point was that all of this novel stuff seems likely to be included simply to impress people... after all, wouldn't the food that contains bok choy just HAVE to be better than the food which doesn't? I think this is more marketing than anything, and I think your response to it proves that... your first comment about chia was "whatever that is" and yet you assume it is a good thing... then "chia is chia, after all"... but, I suspect that you don't (and I know I don't) know ANYTHING about the advisability of adding it to dog food. I think that some of the ingredients added to this food may say quite a bit about the company which chooses to add them, and I am not sure that what it says is a good thing.

That said, I don't see anything particularly alarming that would cause me to recommend against feeding it (with the exception of the one food which was so high in selenium... I think that that was just TOO high). There is probably no reason to not include it in the rotation you offer. I, personally, would not choose to purchase it because I suspect that the manufacturer is more motivated by separating people from their money than they are by feeding dogs well.
 

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I KNEW something didn't smell right! I just read the fine print... this is a multi-level marketing deal!

From the website:

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Well we have done too much quoting and I cant read you #9 post. I dont know what I thinkabout you digging up some fine print that proclaims I can sit back and rake in the money. What does that have to do with the ingredients of my prize find. What do you find wrong with those veggies. I like a few veggies in my dogs food. Looks nice and makes me feel all warm inside. I know Parker gets a glow in his eyes when he tastes the blueberries. He loves bbs.:) please dont quote, nobody else is in thread.
 

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Remember the big stink about Evanger's? Here, to refresh your memory: FDA Warning Letter to Evanger's Pet Food Company

Guess who it is that Great Life has manufacturing their canned foods? Yes, indeedy... Evanger's!

What I said about not seeing anything particularly alarming that would cause me to recommend against feeding this food... well, I take it all back. I would strongly recommend against buying or using anything from this company. Sorry...
 

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No! No! No! I wasn't talking about YOU raking in money... that is their statement about their "Affiliate Program." The VAST majority of multi-level marketing dealies are SCAMS, and I strongly suspect that this is one, too. There is a lot in the ingredient lists of the various products that just sets off little alarm bells in the back of my head... yams AND sweet potatoes? I have never even SEEN a yam, and I have looked for them! Adding inulin to products in which at least a couple of ingredients are excellent sources of inulin, themselves? What would be the point of that, except to make sure that the word "inulin" is in the ingredient list since it is the hot new (marketable!) thing? There is just a ton of stuff that makes no sense here! Add that to the fact that they are dealing with CRIMINALS, and I simply would not be able to have enough faith in this company's products to even necessarily believe that it is what they say it is or contains what they say it does. You can buy what you want, of course, but I wouldn't touch it. Seriously, since when is "looks nice and makes me feel all warm inside" the yardstick by which food should be measured?
 

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I keep showing you little sides of me, maybe you'll pick up m them. I very well remember Evangers debacle with their local gas & water utility co. Diverting gas around the meter. Theyre braver than me. But I do believe they were cleared of their being no duck in the duck dog food. Hmmm, that certainly does bother me about who is mixing the food tho. You read they bake their kibble. I didnt think Evangers baked? You didnt mention Parkers eyes glowing when tasting bbs in his kibble. Got an answer from them about the selenium. So how much selenium should be in 2.5 lbs of food. That must be a kilo. I dooonnt think they know what theyre talking about.
 

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Wait 2.25 lbs. They may be rite after all. How many mcgs in a mg?
 

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If they were cleared of the no-duck and no-lamb-but-some-beef thing, I am unaware of it... maybe they were, and I just didn't hear. And, it is just the canned food that Evanger's is subcontracted to produce, not the kibble (so, baking is not relavent).

Got eleventy-seven things to do and the selenium section in my book is complicated enough that I would have to wrestle with it. AAFCO recommendation is 0.11 mg./kg with an upper limit of 2 mg./kg. I think this is based on the 1986 NRC work, and not the revised edition... I think that the safe upper limit has been lowered. A kilogram is actually closer to 2.2 pounds, not 2.5 pounds. So, the recommendation is for 110 mcg./kg and the pork contains 398 mcg./kg. and the venison contains 517 mcg./kg.

I think you should just give Parker a handful of blueberries <G>. What I was less lazy than I am right now and was processing veggies/fruits for dogs, what I made was usually at least 5% blueberries. So, you were making a theatrical pouty face with the "makes me feel all warm inside" comment? LOL! I am a little slow on the uptake, sometimes...
 

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I can find nothing on the internet and nothing on the Evanger's site which talks about any resolution of the adulterated product dealie. There was an update after the publication of the FDA letter regarding Evanger's saying that independant laboratory testing HAD identified duck DNA in their product... HOWEVER, the product which they submitted for analysis was a completely DIFFERENT duck product than the one the FDA had tested and found to not contain any duck... there is also some indication that Evanger's submitted their sample to their lab BEFORE they had even gotten the FDA letter, which is pretty weird.

During the melamine deal, one of the companies which had purchased tainted ingredients was a company that had been sub-contracted to produce canned dog and cat foods and biscuits for Blue Buffalo. The day after this began, Bill Bishop had EVERY product that had been manufactured for Blue by this company pulled off the shelf. There was no indication whatsoever that any of the Blue products contained any suspect ingredient, but they were all pulled. Bill Bishop made a statement that none of those products would be available again until he had arranged with another manufacturer to produce them... he said that he did not do business with liars. A little different from Great Life, huh?
 

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I hate you! You have totally ruined my new food discovery. I dont remember any adulteration, just lack of stated ingredients. So, if they hadnt been cleared FDA would have shut those formulas or them down wouldnt they? Arent they still putting that food out? Sorry, but I got a phone call. They said they put .3 mg selenium in 2.25 lbs. Sooo??? I hate doing this over phone. So danged hard to do anything. Spart msg and cant go back to post I am answering to see what else to respond to and now lost my train of thought. Maybe you will be around tomorrow to brain drain and mess around with too. Parker thinks a handful of bbs is a grand idea!
 

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There was some confusion about the food tested. I think the FDA thought it was duck and it wasnt or something like that. I will have to find it tomorrow.
 
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